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Ha, that's our ploy against your mob on Wednesday. Of course I meant 433, I was a bit rough yesterday morning, had to drink lots to forget only drawing at home with the Vale. They seem over the moon getting a point off us.

Negatives. Vale outplayed us for 75% of the match We never looked like we would score or even work the Vale keeper Not sure 443 as a system will work. The Alex turn out was poor, less yesterday than we had at home against Crawley, not sure what the reason/excuse for that is, think people may...

I think deep down both clubs and both sets of fans would take a draw, I know I would!

Jesus fucking christ, well I recomend you don't go so to spare yourself the agony. Vale - Win, they were 2 points better than us last season, and with our cast offs they may be slightly worse if our additions improve us, but who knows how a derby will pan out, but you have to bck your own...

Still waiting on confirmation, there is a press conferene coming up this morning, though that seems more to do with the team training on the Gresty Road pitch this morning, it does look lush, don't think they will be used to grass after the mud heap we played on for most of last season!

We do have a hard-core of fans, always a minimum of 3000, even when we started sliding down league 2, I think the hard-core is now 4000 in this league, it can go up or down but not by much if we are treading water, though if somehow we started doing well the crowds would go up to 5-6000 in this...

In all honestly I have not got a clue how this match will work out. Trying to make my mind up if this game is best played now and out of the way or could we have had a better start against a team who are still not hurting from being hammered by us. I think because the game means so much to Vale...

Guess his mistake was leaving Donny for Wolves, how many times has a promising manager done something like that!

I know Saunders had all that bother at Wolves, and Crawley were already a bit of a mess that he did try to address, but is he really all that bad, he did good things at Donny and he had the right ideas at Wrexham. He just seems to get tarred a bit unfailry for me?

I mean not the relegation favourites according to the bookies, more the teams who have brought players in, who have talked promotion pushes or team who think they will be fine etc and who's fans are following them to the edge of a nasty cliff? I thought before the season started Wigan might be...

4-0 to the Alex, left back and centre half in today, plus we have to break our 1st game jinx, and we own these arseholes.

When United (the manc version), City and Liverpool and to a lesser extent Everton and even fucking Stoke are at home and you have the misfortune of picking that day to travel on the train from Crewe, and you see hundreds packing onto trains to get to those mentioned shitholes, it does make your...

I know I'm not, hence why I never mentioned them until you had your paranoid rant. Still, it got you some attention.

Where in the opening post is there any mention of fail, percentages or anythinhg else you statred frothing at. You need to calm down.

Errr no, the thread was started because I was interested in what the fans think would be a fair capacity for for their stadium or future stadium. You really need to drop this weird paranoia you have where you think everybody is talking about fail, trust me, they are not.

Always a bonus!

I would agree with that for the Blades, maybe 40,000 with the option to expand.

In terms of potential, how high in the leagues they could get, past crowds in higher lagues in recent years, local population growth and so on. For my club I think the best we could ever muster could be a 15,000 stadium, thats us in the Championship doing well with a genorous away end. I am...

Must also mention that in the 2002/2003 season we beat Mansfield 5-0 at their place in the league, 4-0 at their place in the Football League Trophy, 3-0 at fortress Alexandra in the FA Cup and 2-0 at fortress Alexandra in the league. They were some kind of port vale tribute act.

For me it was in the Alex's promotion season of 2002/2003. Poor old port vale kept getting smacked by us in the league at their place, in the fa cup at their place and the football leage trophy (or whatever it was called then) at their place, at least our big away followings in all 3 matches...