Arsenal v Liverpool - 20:00 Monday 24th August.

[johnnytodd]

As i predicted Liverpool were too trying to win the game in the first 20 minutes, all their midfield players were going box to box and it's impossible to keep that up for 90 minutes. They tired and Arsenal took hold of the game.

Benteke doesn't suit that type of play and becomes a spare part. They will have to change the style to suit him. Countinho looks the player in form and maybe carrying them a bit.

 

[Pagnell]

Similar to Barkley at Southampton that chance, with one big difference Barkley scored.

No, there is another big difference too. Cech wasn't in goal.

 

[johnnytodd]

No, there is another big difference too. Cech wasn't in goal.

Barkleys shot was accurate to the max, and obviously less pressure as we were 2 up already

 

[ColB]

Not impressed with Milner in the middle so far, Can is a much better ball player who can take the ball off the defence and feed Coutinho, would like to see Milner on the wing, he's much more suited to play there and get balls in for Benteke and and can chip one with goals as well. Have to agree with you, we do need a strong ball winner in there, someone in the mould of Pogba would be nice, found a good player in Gomez, if only we could find someone similar for DM position

Other than his work-rate, I think Milner's best ability is his crossing. That would obviously be of a huge benefit to Benteke too. For now I would play Henderson and Can in the middle with Coutinho on the left and Milner on the right, with Firmino or Lallana (depending on how quickly the Brazilian settles) playing off Benteke. Coutinho and Firmino could interchange. I think Delph would have been a super signing for us, but obviously once City were in for him we couldn't really compete.

 

[GodsGift]

Thought it was blatantly obvious he was joking, but there you go.

Would you really put it past the David Brent wannabe?

 

[thespus]

Gomez has looked great this season, but Oxlade-Chamberlain had his way after coming on. It can be argued Gomez was sucking wind at this point, so tough to judge. The main point: START OXLADE-CHAMBERLAIN. He's really good, m'kay.

I thought Gabriel and Coquelin were ace. Gabriel needs to learn some marking nuances and work on distribution, but it's clear to see why Wenger rates him - he's Koscielny mk. II. Ramsey scored the goal and was likely our best attacking player. If anyone thinks we don't have a striker problem, here are some fun stats: Arsenal have created more chances and taken more shots than any team in the league thus far. Özil and Cazorla are 2 of the top 3 in chances created, yet only have one assist (Cazorla had one last night to Ramsey, tbf). Özil didn't lose the ball until Liverpool were parked and he had to try and force it. He made dribbles in tight spaces that were mesmerizing. It's a damn shame we don't have a top CF to finish for the best chance creator in the league.

Cech is why Liverpool didn't win it

And the official is why Arsenal didn't

 

[Stevencc]

Whose starting place would OX take, Ramsey's?

 

[Ablur]

I'd of taken 0-0 before the game, but weirdly it's one of those where both teams will feel a bit disappointed not to get all 3. Arsenal because of the goal, although it is very tight, and Liverpool because of the chances created and Cech.

Really impressed with Joe Gomez too. Hopefully he can keep this type of form up and then we can get £40mil for him in a season or two when City come calling. He's giving Lovren quite a bit of protection too who's having a decent start to the season. 7 points from the 3 games so far is good, and nothing but a win against West Ham will ease the pressure with the next 5 away games coming up.

 

[thespus]

Whose starting place would OX take, Ramsey's?

It's dependent on the opponent, but one of Cazorla and Ramsey. It's harsh on both, but Oxlade-Chamberlain is a special talent and only needs one good run of games to get the confidence to reach an elite level.

Arsenal because of the goal, although it is very tight, and Liverpool because of the chances created and Cech.
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I don't think there was a disparity in chances or near goals. In particular, Martkin Skrtel's wonderful intervention on Chamberlain's squared ball for Walcott prevented a tap-in and winning goal. Alexis hit the post from 6 yards, Giroud slipped with only Mignolet to beat, Ramsey's deflected shot required a great save from Mignolet, and obviously the goal which should have stood.

Also, "it is very tight" is not justification for an incorrect call. Not you in particular; I see this rhetoric offered often in similar situations. In most careers, people reach the elite levels because he/she can perform in the tightest margins. I don't understand what "it is very tight" has to offer other than politicising.

 

[Bilo]

Gomez has looked great this season, but Oxlade-Chamberlain had his way after coming on. It can be argued Gomez was sucking wind at this point, so tough to judge. The main point: START OXLADE-CHAMBERLAIN. He's really good, m'kay.

I thought Gabriel and Coquelin were ace. Gabriel needs to learn some marking nuances and work on distribution, but it's clear to see why Wenger rates him - he's Koscielny mk. II. Ramsey scored the goal and was likely our best attacking player. If anyone thinks we don't have a striker problem, here are some fun stats: Arsenal have created more chances and taken more shots than any team in the league thus far. Özil and Cazorla are 2 of the top 3 in chances created, yet only have one assist (Cazorla had one last night to Ramsey, tbf). Özil didn't lose the ball until Liverpool were parked and he had to try and force it. He made dribbles in tight spaces that were mesmerizing. It's a damn shame we don't have a top CF to finish for the best chance creator in the league.



And the official is why Arsenal didn't

Three times in this post alone you mention the disallowed goal, get over yourself.

An early goal doesn't guarantee anything as you know, so stop pretending like it would have given you the win every day of the week. A draw was a fair result all things considered, you had a tough decision go against you but that's football.

Edit: And then in the following post you mention it twice, that's five times in two posts. It's not THAT big of a deal.

 

[thespus]

Three times in this post alone you mention the disallowed goal, get over yourself.

An early goal doesn't guarantee anything as you know, so stop pretending like it would have given you the win every day of the week. A draw was a fair result all things considered, you had a tough decision go against you but that's football.

Edit: And then in the following post you mention it twice, that's five times in two posts. It's not THAT big of a deal.

It's the biggest talking point of the match and these were my first two posts following the match. Also, the final mention was bantering with Red who claimed Cech was the difference. Christ you're as fun as an epidemiology lecture. That's two matches running Liverpool were the benefactors of shite decisions - it's delusional (and insecure) to think it doesn't warrant discussion.

Do you not see the irony of "get over yourself"? Perhaps we should drudge up your breakdown over Lucas in the Transfer Rumours thread.

 

[Whitechapel]

Three times in this post alone you mention the disallowed goal, get over yourself.

An early goal doesn't guarantee anything as you know, so stop pretending like it would have given you the win every day of the week. A draw was a fair result all things considered, you had a tough decision go against you but that's football.

Edit: And then in the following post you mention it twice, that's five times in two posts. It's not THAT big of a deal.

It's a huge deal, that was our match winner that was ruled out incorrectly.

 

[Bilo]

It's the biggest talking point of the match and these were my first two posts following the match.

Do you not see the irony of "get over yourself"? Perhaps we should drudge up your breakdown over Lucas in the Transfer Rumours thread.

Yes, it was a breakdown, it was all about Lucas and it's entirely relevant to this discussion. You should definitely bring it up.

Then we can compete in what was most important along with who cares the least, and we'll both look as intelligent and mature as you do right now.

 

[Pagnell]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

 

[Stevencc]

I'm staying out of this one.

 

[smat]

*shrugs shoulders and goes to bed*

 

[thespus]

Fight! Fight! Fight!

Don't lump be in with Bilo's desire to censor public thought. I discussed the main highlights in a football match involving the team I support (in the corresponding matchday thread). Bilo proceeded to tell me to get over myself. If you care to tell me where I was wrong, I'm all ears (well, eyes in this circumstance).

Bilo throws stones from a glass house and then claims ambivalence when someone has the bollocks to throw back. I don't see the ambivalence in Bilo being the aggressor. This is a documented pattern - hence his bollocking of Stevencc in the Transfer Rumours thread.

 

[Bilo]

God, you're such a likeable person you. With domination techniques old as the bible you offer little to nothing in terms of arguments.

Overlooking the fact that you're trying to treat me like a three year old talking over my head as if I left the thread, and overlooking the fact that you genuinely seem to think people can't see through it, you still haven't even touched the original point.

A goal early on in the first half doesn't guarantee you the win in any way whatsoever, because the whole game in general and the second half in particular would have panned out differently. It would have increased your chances, that's it. If you think your performance can be completely overlooked because of an early decision going against you you're kidding yourself, and you're overlooking the fact that you need to improve a lot if you're to challenge, like many predicted at the start of the season.

 

[Mustard]

 

[Mustard]

I still can't believe Ramsey's goal was ruled offside. We was robbed.

Discuss.

 

[voltage]

I wasn't expecting a tie in this match. Cech and Mignolet did very well. And Coutinho had an excellent performance, I, seriously, don't understand why Dunga didn't call him for the brazilian national team.

 

[Pagnell]

A tie?

 

[thespus]

God, you're such a likeable person you. With domination techniques old as the bible you offer little to nothing in terms of arguments.

Overlooking the fact that you're trying to treat me like a three year old talking over my head as if I left the thread, and overlooking the fact that you genuinely seem to think people can't see through it, you still haven't even touched the original point.

A goal early on in the first half doesn't guarantee you the win in any way whatsoever, because the whole game in general and the second half in particular would have panned out differently. It would have increased your chances, that's it. If you think your performance can be completely overlooked because of an early decision going against you you're kidding yourself, and you're overlooking the fact that you need to improve a lot if you're to challenge, like many predicted at the start of the season.

This is my post you quoted to berate me. Please tell me what sets it apart from the dozens of other posters that mentioned Ramsey's goal in this match-day thread, or where I asserted we were guaranteed to win if the goal stood (hopefully you didn't take money emojii too seriously):

Gomez has looked great this season, but Oxlade-Chamberlain had his way after coming on. It can be argued Gomez was sucking wind at this point, so tough to judge. The main point: START OXLADE-CHAMBERLAIN. He's really good, m'kay.

I thought Gabriel and Coquelin were ace. Gabriel needs to learn some marking nuances and work on distribution, but it's clear to see why Wenger rates him - he's Koscielny mk. II. Ramsey scored the goal and was likely our best attacking player. If anyone thinks we don't have a striker problem, here are some fun stats: Arsenal have created more chances and taken more shots than any team in the league thus far. Özil and Cazorla are 2 of the top 3 in chances created, yet only have one assist (Cazorla had one last night to Ramsey, tbf). Özil didn't lose the ball until Liverpool were parked and he had to try and force it. He made dribbles in tight spaces that were mesmerizing. It's a damn shame we don't have a top CF to finish for the best chance creator in the league.

And the official is why Arsenal didn't

Have a nice day, Bilo.

 

[johnnytodd]

I wasn't expecting a tie in this match. Cech and Mignolet did very well. And Coutinho had an excellent performance, I, seriously, don't understand why Dunga didn't call him for the brazilian national team.

Because he can't finish like Sir Ross Barkley

 

[G-Dragon]

It's the biggest talking point of the match and these were my first two posts following the match. Also, the final mention was bantering with Red who claimed Cech was the difference. Christ you're as fun as an epidemiology lecture. That's two matches running Liverpool were the benefactors of shite decisions - it's delusional (and insecure) to think it doesn't warrant discussion.

Do you not see the irony of "get over yourself"? Perhaps we should drudge up your breakdown over Lucas in the Transfer Rumours thread.

That offside decision was very hard to call. It could have been even harder depending on the position of the ref. I personally think if Arsenal had scored that goal, we would have went on to win the game. Should have been a pen for foul on Benteke by Gabriel too.

 

[Bilo]

This is my post you quoted to berate me. Please tell me what sets it apart from the dozens of other posters that mentioned Ramsey's goal in this match-day thread, or where I asserted we were guaranteed to win if the goal stood (hopefully you didn't take money emojii too seriously):



Have a nice day, Bilo.

Just about all of it.

Have a nice day yourself, I'm honored that you're adressing me again.

(hopefully you don't take the emoji too seriously)

 

[johnnytodd]

A tie?

i'm the football bigot round here Pagnell

Just about all of it.

Have a nice day yourself, I'm honored that you're adressing me again.

(hopefully you don't take the emoji too seriously)

did you really just post the word ' emoji ' ????

 

[thespus]

I still can't believe *incident which shall not be named*. We was robbed.

Discuss.

Mustard, have some dignity.

Please keep all match-day topic focused on Petr Cech, Arsenal GK, preventing Liverpool from winning the football match. Or discuss Joe Gomez. Just don't, you know, briefly mention *the incident* in the middle of a paragraph summary about the match. Even if you talk about Cech, Gomez, and Arsenal's striker problem in the same paragraph.

 

[Bilo]

I'm honored that you're adressing me again

Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

 

[Stevencc]

Why has no one picked up on the fact that G-Dragon just said Liverpool's chances of winning the game would have actually increased had the Arsenal goal stood as it should have!?