Athletic Article: League One and Two Seasons to be abandoned next week

[Indian Dan]

I agree with that mentality but if a vaccination is only 3 months away (possible from what I’ve heard) then wouldn’t it be worth waiting until then at least so those 4,500 deaths per month are significantly reduced?

I’m all for the economy opening and I’m as gagging for sport and a pint as the next man, but I’d rather save a few thousand people if possible.

How long has it been finding a vaccine for malaria and TB - still not got one.

 

[AdamStag]

I agree with that mentality but if a vaccination is only 3 months away (possible from what I’ve heard) then wouldn’t it be worth waiting until then at least so those 4,500 deaths per month are significantly reduced?

I’m all for the economy opening and I’m as gagging for sport and a pint as the next man, but I’d rather save a few thousand people if possible.

It is, but when you break the numbers down the number of folk who’ve died from this in comparison to the regular flu/colds etc isn’t really high at all.

It doesn’t mean for one second that it shouldn’t have been treated as seriously as it has been, but maybe it might the case that it becomes the norm like the flu etc.

The flu the other year was the worst it’s been in years and killed many in comparison to usually but you didn’t see the whole country shut down due to it. It could be the case that once your body has had it you develop that immunity to it.

Hopefully though, like the flu there will be an vaccination for it also.

 

[AdamStag]

How long has it been finding a vaccine for malaria and TB - still not got one.

True, but the problem being with them is that they don’t really affect first world countries so therefore folk don’t care. The one “benefit” of this is that it’s affected the USA so badly - its within the worlds interest to find a vaccination

 

[Laker]

How long has it been finding a vaccine for malaria and TB - still not got one.

I’d imagine a long time. Covid has been around since Christmas and the work to find a vaccine even shorter. I’d say it’s worth hedging our bets with a vaccine at this stage.

 

[LeonTheGreen]

Haven’t been active on here since the season finished for obvious reasons - no football to talk about!

Delighted to be promoted back to League One at the first time of asking, however it does feel a bit strange given the circumstances.

It was clear watching us vs Swindon at Home Park that we were two of the best sides in the division, and Crewe have been excellent also.

Harsh on the playoff sides, but it is what it is. I’d like Cheltenham to go up. Fairly local game and it means City aren’t in League One!

 

[Laker]

It is, but when you break the numbers down the number of folk who’ve died from this in comparison to the regular flu/colds etc isn’t really high at all.

It doesn’t mean for one second that it shouldn’t have been treated as seriously as it has been, but maybe it might the case that it becomes the norm like the flu etc.

The flu the other year was the worst it’s been in years and killed many in comparison to usually but you didn’t see the whole country shut down due to it. It could be the case that once your body has had it you develop that immunity to it.

Hopefully though, like the flu there will be an vaccination for it also.

As I said, the flu kills 17,000 per year. This has done 40,000 in three months. No I know we’re not at that rate now but if we settle into a pattern of accepting 150 per day then that’s 55,000 per year. Now I’d rather we hunted a vaccine then wiped out enough people to fill Anfield each year.

 

[AdamStag]

As I said, the flu kills 17,000 per year. This has done 40,000 in three months. No I know we’re not at that rate now but if we settle into a pattern of accepting 150 per day then that’s 55,000 per year. Now I’d rather we hunted a vaccine then wiped out enough people to fill Anfield each year.

Of course, and we will find a vaccine, it’s within the interest of the world to find one, but like the flu who’s to state that it won’t mutate which it’s already shown signs of doing so.

As you state the rate of death is high as no-one has ever had this before, but even with a vaccine if it mutates then folk will still die of it.

I wholeheartedly agree that if we have to wait 4-6 months for a pint and some crap football so be it - but it could be a chance that sadly it’s something we have to come to terms with, as society won’t live like this forever.

 

[Laker]

For the record, I’d take my chances with it too, in fact I’ll be sending my daughter back to nursery in July when it reopens so my chances will be increased. I have one daughter, 3 years old, my wife and I are both under 40 with no underlying health conditions we’re aware of. We’d rather not get it but if we did then we’re fairly sure we’d be strong enough to recover. But that approach doesn’t work for all.

 

[Laker]

Of course, and we will find a vaccine, it’s within the interest of the world to find one, but like the flu who’s to state that it won’t mutate which it’s already shown signs of doing so.

As you state the rate of death is high as no-one has ever had this before, but even with a vaccine if it mutates then folk will still die of it.

I wholeheartedly agree that if we have to wait 4-6 months for a pint and some crap football so be it - but it could be a chance that sadly it’s something we have to come to terms with, as society won’t live like this forever.

This is mutating very slowly to the point that a vaccine will continue to work: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19

See the bit about measles and the vaccine being 45 years old. It’s similar to that from what I understand.

 

[Indian Dan]

General concensus is mutating viruses get weaker so although Covid 19 will never disappear, it will be added to the other seasonal viruses we already have. The elderly and sick will always be vulnerable.

 

[Trapdoor]

It was clear watching us vs Swindon at Home Park that we were two of the best sides in the division

Hahahahaha deluded as fuck!

 

[LeonTheGreen]

Hahahahaha deluded as fuck!

Salty as fuck 4-0 and it meant fuck all!

 

[Indian Dan]

Haven’t been active on here since the season finished for obvious reasons - no football to talk about!

Delighted to be promoted back to League One at the first time of asking, however it does feel a bit strange given the circumstances.

It was clear watching us vs Swindon at Home Park that we were two of the best sides in the division, and Crewe have been excellent also.

Harsh on the playoff sides, but it is what it is. I’d like Cheltenham to go up. Fairly local game and it means City aren’t in League One!

That was a cracker of a game and I agree about being 2 of the better sides in L2.

I think we’ll have to leave Trapdoor with his holier than thou supporter owned club - although I wouldn’t mind them winning the POs. Cheltenham are just a fucking jinx.

 

[Si Robin]

You love us really...

It's funny because in the two games I saw us play against Swindon (I wasn't at the cup replay) they were by far the best team I've seen us against. And we didn't lose either.

 

[AdamStag]

This is mutating very slowly to the point that a vaccine will continue to work: https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19

See the bit about measles and the vaccine being 45 years old. It’s similar to that from what I understand.

Well hopefully it stays that way. Interesting read

After watching Mansfield “play” this season I’m quite happy to have a break .

 

[AdamStag]

That was a cracker of a game and I agree about being 2 of the better sides in L2.

I think we’ll have to leave Trapdoor with his holier than thou supporter owned club - although I wouldn’t mind them winning the POs. Cheltenham are just a fucking jinx.

Oh no, get rid of another southern team. With tranmere and Bolton coming down and barrow coming up it’s looking much better for those down here still. If Harrogate can come up all the better

 

[TimeyWimey]

The “Im alright Jack” attitude of the country and epidemiologist filled message boards in the last couple of weeks is almost as heartening as the clap for the NHS. Brings a tear to the eye.

 

[Valeite]

I reckon it is simple, ban every person in receipt of state pension from going to the pub or other mass gatherings and force them to wear a mask whenever they are likely to come within 6ft 7 inches of anyone (2 meters is too difficult for them ).
If they want more freedom they should donate their pension to the young people who have given up so much to save them from this virus ot to younger vulnerable people who need shielding.

 

[AdamStag]

I reckon it is simple, ban every person in receipt of state pension from going to the pub or other mass gatherings and force them to wear a mask whenever they are likely to come within 6ft 7 inches of anyone (2 meters is too difficult for them ).
If they want more freedom they should donate their pension to the young people who have given up so much to save them from this virus ot to younger vulnerable people who need shielding.

Nice idea in principle but no government would ever do that. The pensioner vote is probably the most important to a government.

 

[Trapdoor]

Salty as fuck 4-0 and it meant fuck all!

We absolutely destroyed you and would have done so again. Shithouse team soon to be a penniless shithouse team.

 

[valefan16]

General concensus is mutating viruses get weaker so although Covid 19 will never disappear, it will be added to the other seasonal viruses we already have. The elderly and sick will always be vulnerable.

Italian and American doctors have both done studies that show it already is weaker than it was, much lower viral load, which may be why it is declining despite everyone saying their will be a "second wave" everytime someone goes outside!

Suggested today children are more likely to be killed by Lightning than die of Covid 19 and the death rate is very low for under 45's so would make sense for a more targeted approach going forward to get the economy and life going again.

 

[Greenacres]

As I said, the flu kills 17,000 per year. This has done 40,000 in three months. No I know we’re not at that rate now but if we settle into a pattern of accepting 150 per day then that’s 55,000 per year. Now I’d rather we hunted a vaccine then wiped out enough people to fill Anfield each year.

The real figure to consider is the number of excess deaths above what is normally expected for the same period in a year, which is currently running at around 60k for the time where the virus is known to have been present in the UK (this may be more as there have been suggestions that it arrived much earlier but the R-rate was so low that there wasn't a significant impact). The following stats, provided by the FT (no left or right bias for those who favour one over the other) allow a comparison against other countries whose figures have been declared:

https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

 

[Boletus Edulis]

I agree with that mentality but if a vaccination is only 3 months away (possible from what I’ve heard) then wouldn’t it be worth waiting until then at least so those 4,500 deaths per month are significantly reduced?

I’m all for the economy opening and I’m as gagging for sport and a pint as the next man, but I’d rather save a few thousand people if possible.

Spoke to a family member who is a GP. First, they have no idea when there will be an effective scalable vaccine. But it could be years, so I’d be sceptical about three months. Second, the fear Of the medical fraternity is that Covid 19 and the flu could come at the same time. Apparently, the flu season varies each year, it can be Nov-Dec or sometimes Jan-Feb. Third, there is simply not enough data. They have hypotheses, but not scientific answers.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

I have no preference for which team goes up, just that all the players are safe and no one ends up seriously I’ll or worse as a result.

 

[dannyc5]

In regards to a vaccine, it is heartening to see how confident the Oxford Scientists are of their vaccine not just working, but being available on a large scale by September. I think they put their chances at 80%. Also the fact they have done the deal with AstraZeneca and Bill Gates shows they must be supremely confident. I would assume their reputation would take a bit of a battering if they are wrong, so I’m pretty hopeful listening to what they are saying.

 

[Laker]

Spoke to a family member who is a GP. First, they have no idea when there will be an effective scalable vaccine. But it could be years, so I’d be sceptical about three months. Second, the fear Of the medical fraternity is that Covid 19 and the flu could come at the same time. Apparently, the flu season varies each year, it can be Nov-Dec or sometimes Jan-Feb. Third, there is simply not enough data. They have hypotheses, but not scientific answers.

I agree on your first point but my point was surely it’s better to get more information re a vaccine this autumn rather than reopening sporting venues and pubs? I accept it could be years away, it could also not be. Let’s see what progress can be made before congregating thousands of people together regularly and increasing the risk of the second wave. The rate is coming down and the more that trend continues the better frankly.

 

[chipmunx]

In regards to a vaccine, it is heartening to see how confident the Oxford Scientists are of their vaccine not just working, but being available on a large scale by September. I think they put their chances at 80%. Also the fact they have done the deal with AstraZeneca and Bill Gates shows they must be supremely confident. I would assume their reputation would take a bit of a battering if they are wrong, so I’m pretty hopeful listening to what they are saying.

I've been on medical trials before and thinking a vaccine can be 100% safely developed in 6-8 months is fantasy - it usually takes 2/3/4 years to safely develop and test one. And I wouldn't touch a vaccine that has anything to do with Bill Gates....

 

[Laker]

I've been on medical trials before and thinking a vaccine can be 100% safely developed in 6-8 months is fantasy - it usually takes 2/3/4 years to safely develop and test one. And I wouldn't touch a vaccine that has anything to do with Bill Gates....

Even the Ebola vaccine? I mean the Gates Foundation literally pumped millions into that.

What have you got against Gates anyway?

 

[dannyc5]

I've been on medical trials before and thinking a vaccine can be 100% safely developed in 6-8 months is fantasy - it usually takes 2/3/4 years to safely develop and test one. And I wouldn't touch a vaccine that has anything to do with Bill Gates....

This is not a slight on you, but I think I’m gonna listen to the some of the top scientists in the country.

*edit* some of the top scientists in the world.

 

[chipmunx]

This is not a slight on you, but I think I’m gonna listen to the some of the top scientists in the country.

*edit* some of the top scientists in the world.

that's fine by me