Big Sam investigation

[mnb089mnb]

You keep talking about this like they've uncovered something - they haven't, they created this situation and are now reaping the rewards with zero benefit to the general public. You offer a load of people a few hundred grand to do something morally dubious but legal and of course some of them will bite, that's hardly news. The only winners in this scenario are them

Corruption in football means ticket prices and TV subscriptions are artificially high. We all pay for it in the end.

 

[Renegade]

Since when was Pellegrini considered "very good"? He's managing in China anyway.

Eh? He's an excellent manager. I remember someone had similar criticism of him in the Premier League forum last year. A bad season at a massive club does not a bad manager make:

I guess everyone's forgotten the amazing job Pellegrini did with Villarreal on a measly budget. He would be a huge upgrade for Everton, I think he could get a better job elsewhere though. Just because he hasn't succeeded at the highest level with City (he arguably has considering he won the league during his tenure), doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to improve the fortunes of a mid-table side like Everton.

He made Villarreal a Champions League side, he got them to a Champions League semi-final and finished second in a league which has Barcelona and Real Madrid in it. With Villarreal. A team that only made its debut in La Liga a few seasons earlier. He also led Malaga to the Champions League for the first time in their history. Gash?

Like Ranieri and Rafa, he couldn't succeed at the biggest clubs and couldn't achieve their definitions of "success", but there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be a fantastic appointment for Everton. The pressures at those elite clubs are far in excess of what he'd have to deal with at teams that should be challenging for the Europa League, like Villarreal and Malaga. He significantly overachieved with those clubs. Everton hasn't had a manager of his calibre in the Premiership era. His teams play sexy football too.

Martinez is a goner anyway, it was fun to watch while it lasted.

He certainly shits all over the prospective English candidates for this job.

 

[GodsGift]

Eh? He's an excellent manager. I remember someone had similar criticism of him in the Premier League forum last year. A bad season at a massive club does not a bad manager make:



He certainly shits all over the prospective English candidates for this job.

He's good, but no where near excellent. He was given a free ride for the average job he did at City just because he happens to be a nice guy. He certainly did a good job at Villarreal, but I think he's more suited to a club like that rather than an elite club.

 

[Richard Cranium]

LVG for England

 

[Renegade]

He's good, but no where near excellent. He was given a free ride for the average job he did at City just because he happens to be a nice guy. He certainly did a good job at Villarreal, but I think he's more suited to a club like that rather than an elite club.

Depends on your definition of excellent really. Dragging teams with low budgets consistently into Europe passes my definition and he's far better than pretty much all current International managers. International management is not the attraction it once was, when Conte left the Italy job, so did the last really top class manager from the International scene. Who are the rest?

Loew - managed in the Austrian league and pretty much handed a golden German generation on a platter.
Deschamps - underwhelming club manager, hasn't yet achieved anything like Pellegrini.

There is no one else, just realised Sampaoli is at Sevilla now too. Just seems odd to me that people would turn up their nose at Pellegrini. That last City season really ruined his public perception it appears.

Hiddink is a fine International manager, a bit overrated overall though. Not a realm above Pellegrini in terms of achievement. Enjoy Stevie Bruce.

 

[GodsGift]

I wouldn't turn my nose up at Pellegrini, I acknowledged he's a good manager and it's not like England can be picky. I just think he's a little overrated and fell well short at City.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

You believe that most people in Sam's financial position (have to assume multi-millionaire) would risk everything after receiving their dream job for 400K? Something they've worked their entire career to achieving? OK.

It didn't cross his mind that he could be the target of undercover journalists as the England manager when they are directly asking him about profiteering off players and indirectly about bungs? After being named in a Panorama documentary for accepting bungs? After another manager allegedly walked out of a meeting when bungs were implied? OK.

He cannot be this stupid.

Well if the rumours are true then he and half the league have been getting away with it for years, so it's really not that far-fetched that it wouldn't have seemed that risky at the time, as presumably the other eight managers involved thought so too. If you're making £3m a year then £400-600k on top of that is hardly pocket change. And he didn't actually break any rules or accept any deal, lest we forget. It was the sort of pub talk that probably every manager in the league is guilty of at one point or another.

 

[G.B]

paul ince is the man for the job imo. and if you disagree you're more than likely racist.

 

[Red]

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

 

[ValeMouth]

paul ince is the man for the job imo. and if you disagree you're more than likely racist.

Think you mean Sol Campbell

 

[GodsGift]

Hasselbaink, Cellino (shock horror) and Barnsley's assistant manager the next to be caught.

 

[mnb089mnb]

Well if the rumours are true then he and half the league have been getting away with it for years, so it's really not that far-fetched that it wouldn't have seemed that risky at the time, as presumably the other eight managers involved thought so too. If you're making £3m a year then £400-600k on top of that is hardly pocket change. And he didn't actually break any rules or accept any deal, lest we forget. It was the sort of pub talk that probably every manager in the league is guilty of at one point or another.

"Other people are doing it" is not a defence.

He is not 7 years old.

 

[AnimoEtFide]

With Massimo Cellino being named my faith in football has been well and truly destroyed.

 

[Nilsson]

Just caught up with everything Allardyce said. He said that rules of third party ownership can be circumvented, well they can. He also said he'd like £400,000, who wouldn't? (Then he said that before taking it, he’d need to check it's ok with the FA). He slagged off Hodgson and Neville, who gives a shit? And he said that the FA spent too much money redeveloping Wembley, which they did.

The telegraph probably didn't even get what they come for (in four hours of prompting) - he didn't accept a bung or admit to taking a bung (quite the opposite).

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

"Other people are doing it" is not a defence.

Nobody suggested that it was...

 

[shoddycollins]

Hasselbaink, Cellino (shock horror) and Barnsley's assistant manager the next to be caught.

Someone on telly today actually referred to Cellino's involvement in this as a revelation. The pope is less involved in Easter mass at the Vatican than Cellino is in football corruption.

 

[mistermagic]

Eh? He's an excellent manager. I remember someone had similar criticism of him in the Premier League forum last year.

He is an excellent manager and has one of the best tactical brains in the game but he didn't use it at City using a backwards 442. I have no idea why.

Deschamps - underwhelming club manager, hasn't yet achieved anything like Pellegrini.

Harsh. Deschamps got Monaco in a CL final, Juventus promoted from Serie B (ok that doesn't sound so hard) and won silverware at Marseille (which is very hard to do). Deschamps is up there with the best in the world. Not because he's excellent but because all the others are poor.

On the topic, I think the FA should have thought about Sam's replacement before demanding his resignation. Sam was England's only choice. Now they are stuck with no one.

 

[GodsGift]

Southampton assistant manager Eric Black is next.

 

[claret50]

Southampton assistant manager Eric Black is next.

Just watched the sting on the Telegraph front page, the 8 names have been posted on twitter.

 

[GodsGift]

Just watched the sting on the Telegraph front page, the 8 names have been posted on twitter.

If true, the names on there are the ones you'd expect to see (apart from one perhaps).

 

[Benji]

Just caught up with everything Allardyce said. He said that rules of third party ownership can be circumvented, well they can. He also said he'd like £400,000, who wouldn't? (Then he said that before taking it, he’d need to check it's ok with the FA). He slagged off Hodgson and Neville, who gives a shit? And he said that the FA spent too much money redeveloping Wembley, which they did.

The telegraph probably didn't even get what they come for (in four hours of prompting) - he didn't accept a bung or admit to taking a bung (quite the opposite).

Are you his lawyer?

 

[George Reilly's Hairpiece]

If the eight named are true, then there is a bit of good news for Sam.

He'll have quite a few clubs with vacancies to choose from to get back into management.

 

[ValeMouth]

Who are the 8 named?

 

[mistermagic]

Sam will have no problem whatsoever finding another job in the Premier League. His track record is fantastic. Hull City should sign him up.

 

[Super_horns]

Seems like the agent at the centre of some allegations might have been telling a few porkies..

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37524416

 

[JimJams]

Well no, he's now saying they were lies, as he obviously would do.

 

[Luke Imp]

Harry Redknapp next...

 

[claret50]

Sam will have no problem whatsoever finding another job in the Premier League. His track record is fantastic. Hull City should sign him up.

Not if he receives a ban from the FA.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/37526465

 

[Liam_SWFC]

Was shocked when I heard this but nothing should surprise me these days in football, corruption probably happens all the time. Think it's a shame we wont see what Sam Allardyce could have done for England, but it's hard to feel sorry for the bloke.