Chesterfield FC Shambles Thread

[B2TF]

Is this still a thing? Can you just end this tinpottery now, you're embarrassing us all in the National League.

 

[chipmunx]

Is this still a thing? Can you just end this tinpottery now, you're embarrassing us all in the National League.

maybe we can merge this thread with the Bury one and they can buy Chesterfield?

 

[CFC91]

https://www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20192/december2/20191230-club-statement/

Potentially a step in the right direction, few hurdles to jump through but i'm obviously buzzing something is in the pipeline. My god we deserve a break

 

[chipmunx]

https://www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20192/december2/20191230-club-statement/

Potentially a step in the right direction, few hurdles to jump through but i'm obviously buzzing something is in the pipeline. My god we deserve a break

The issue I see there is that they are hoping to conclude the deal by mid February - that means Sheridan is likely to still be manager then. So it might be too late for a new manager to come in turn your season round.

 

[LongEatonPie]

Good luck, although the Notts trust saved us, it also nearly distroyed us as well as too many began to get big egos.
Hope it works out for you though.

 

[CFC91]

The issue I see there is that they are hoping to conclude the deal by mid February - that means Sheridan is likely to still be manager then. So it might be too late for a new manager to come in turn your season round.

It's a worry. We're now at stalemate potentially during this period. January is massive for us on the pitch, but also off it now. The timing isn't great in terms of the focus won't be on the playing staff and sorting out the manager now

 

[spireite]

https://www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20192/december2/20191230-club-statement/

Potentially a step in the right direction, few hurdles to jump through but i'm obviously buzzing something is in the pipeline. My god we deserve a break

I don't get it. Isn't the Trust a charitable organisation? What finances have they got, or commercial entities that bring income? What means have they got to keep the ship afloat, not to mention push the club forward and out of the mire we're in? Isn't John Croot CEO of the trust, and he's a club director? Why would be be stepping down? Surely they are going to have to borrow just to get the club bought and pay the immediate shortfalls. Who are they borrowing off? If it goes through, who owns the ground? I'm glad Allen and Carson look like they're going to be gone, but I hope we're not going out of the frying pan and into the fire here... Something smells fishy

 

[AdamStag]

Would Carson do what haslam did to us and separate the ground from the club and charge you rent? Terrible scenario if so. You don’t want to be in that situation. (Not that chesterfield fans ever mocked us for that situation!)

Whereas getting rid of Carson would be a good idea the last thing you want to do is sell out to someone dodgy as fuck

 

[Optipez]

I don't get it. Isn't the Trust a charitable organisation? What finances have they got, or commercial entities that bring income? What means have they got to keep the ship afloat, not to mention push the club forward and out of the mire we're in? Isn't John Croot CEO of the trust, and he's a club director? Why would be be stepping down? Surely they are going to have to borrow just to get the club bought and pay the immediate shortfalls. Who are they borrowing off? If it goes through, who owns the ground? I'm glad Allen and Carson look like they're going to be gone, but I hope we're not going out of the frying pan and into the fire here... Something smells fishy

If you end up being trust run the directors have to make great calls all the time as there's no money to rectify mistakes. You have pretty much have no borrowing facility as there's no lender of last resort so you'll see a smaller playing budget and even worse players coming through the door.
We did it and with the best of intentions from the board we were dying as a club, we just couldn't compete with anyone even with bigger than average crowds for the division and year on year it was death by a thousand cuts. We signed some truly rammel players who all left us for non league, youth team had to go , we were just being hollowed out.

 

[jacobncfc]

If you end up being trust run the directors have to make great calls all the time as there's no money to rectify mistakes. You have pretty much have no borrowing facility as there's no lender of last resort so you'll see a smaller playing budget and even worse players coming through the door.
We did it and with the best of intentions from the board we were dying as a club, we just couldn't compete with anyone even with bigger than average crowds for the division and year on year it was death by a thousand cuts. We signed some truly rammel players who all left us for non league, youth team had to go , we were just being hollowed out.

This. It’s only a viable option for most clubs if it becomes the norm, which doesn’t look likely. Although at this level, if the crowds came back Chesterfield could probably still be competitive just on income.

It’s worked better elsewhere, Exeter being an obvious example, but I think they struck gold early on with cup draws and player sales.

 

[CFC91]

I don't get it. Isn't the Trust a charitable organisation? What finances have they got, or commercial entities that bring income? What means have they got to keep the ship afloat, not to mention push the club forward and out of the mire we're in? Isn't John Croot CEO of the trust, and he's a club director? Why would be be stepping down? Surely they are going to have to borrow just to get the club bought and pay the immediate shortfalls. Who are they borrowing off? If it goes through, who owns the ground? I'm glad Allen and Carson look like they're going to be gone, but I hope we're not going out of the frying pan and into the fire here... Something smells fishy

The sales a clean break, ground, hospitality etc. The lot. Any other deal would have been suicide anyway.

My understanding it the Trust as they are a registered charity have access to loans/grants and this is how the deal with be funded. The way the loans are structured they would be interest free and dependant upon us turning a profit.
The trust have a massive job on looking at where we are losing 150k a month and bridging that gap. There will need to be a lot of cost cutting and an increase in attendances, which I think there would be. I’d be back in an instant as would many others reading BB and other groups.

 

[Luke Imp]

I can see why Chesterfield fans want Allen out, but isn't this out of the frying pan and into the fire? How on earth is a Trust set-up going to plug the financial gaps that Allen does at the minute?

Short term it does the trick but long term it's very difficult (see Wrexham).

 

[CFC91]

I can see why Chesterfield fans want Allen out, but isn't this out of the frying pan and into the fire? How on earth is a Trust set-up going to plug the financial gaps that Allen does at the minute?

Short term it does the trick but long term it's very difficult (see Wrexham).

There is concerns about the funding, but it appears they have passed the proof of funding test so they must have access to funds. If the FA/NL ratify it then they must have more than we even thought.

On the otherhand, Wycombe, Exeter & Portsmouth have fairly successfully gone down this route. Agree it is likely more short term but if it worth and 12-18 months down the line they take on outside investment then so be it.

Stake from CT here - http://www.spireitestrust.org.uk/statement-re-trusts-aims-2/

 

[AdamStag]

Seems that agent Sheridan has been sacked.

Not a surprise really, we didn’t come close to plumbing such depths in our 5 years down here.

Big appointment needed now

 

[chipmunx]

https://www.chesterfield-fc.co.uk/news/20202/january/20200102-managers-departure-announced/

 

[CFC91]

The fact the Trust have had a say in this is also good news for the takeover too.

We've probably blown every penny we have sacking him so be interesting to see what happens now

 

[Harrier94]

Oof good luck with Pemberton

 

[CFC91]

Oof good luck with Pemberton

He's been here before and has a decent rep.

Looks like most of your fanbase were quite sad to see him go reading twitter when it was announced he had left.

He won't get it full time, maybe just for a couple of weeks until the takeover is complete and the Trust can get thier own man in.

Personally like Steve Watson at York or Nicky Law back from Burnley

 

[DarkSithLord]

He's been here before and has a decent rep.

Looks like most of your fanbase were quite sad to see him go reading twitter when it was announced he had left.

He won't get it full time, maybe just for a couple of weeks until the takeover is complete and the Trust can get thier own man in.

Personally like Steve Watson at York or Nicky Law back from Burnley

Why would Nicky leave Burnley though? If Dyche goes that might change matters though

 

[Harrier94]

He's been here before and has a decent rep.

Looks like most of your fanbase were quite sad to see him go reading twitter when it was announced he had left.

He won't get it full time, maybe just for a couple of weeks until the takeover is complete and the Trust can get thier own man in.

Personally like Steve Watson at York or Nicky Law back from Burnley

From what I've heard from a source in the club he was awful behind the scenes. And lacked any tactial knowledge on the pitch.

 

[Monkey Tennis]

He's been here before and has a decent rep.

Looks like most of your fanbase were quite sad to see him go reading twitter when it was announced he had left.

He won't get it full time, maybe just for a couple of weeks until the takeover is complete and the Trust can get thier own man in.

Personally like Steve Watson at York or Nicky Law back from Burnley

A few months back, I would have said Evatt would jump at the chance - I'd like to think he'll only leave us for a League side now. I'm a bit nervy about the Blackpool fans turning on Grayson...

 

[CFC91]

A few months back, I would have said Evatt would jump at the chance - I'd like to think he'll only leave us for a League side now. I'm a bit nervy about the Blackpool fans turning on Grayson...

I think Evatt will manage us at some point in the future but I get the impression he has a job to finish at Barrow, and I hope he does it.

 

[CFC91]

Why would Nicky leave Burnley though? If Dyche goes that might change matters though

He's from around the Town, still lives in the Town and knows a lot about the club. He won't be on a whack whatever he is up to at Burnley so think he'd jump at the chance to get back into management

 

[DarkSithLord]

He's from around the Town, still lives in the Town and knows a lot about the club. He won't be on a whack whatever he is up to at Burnley so think he'd jump at the chance to get back into management

Fair enough. Just by his final years at Alfreton. He seemed to have lost the fire for management. Just my opinion but he would actively avoid another managerial job. We shall see.

 

[Optipez]

I'd be surprised if either Evatt or Nicky Law fancy the job as things stand.

 

[Luke Imp]

I'm surprised Law is even mentioned by Chesterfield fans. He went about 7 years at Alfreton without keeping a clean sheet and, from memory, they had a terrible disciplinary record.

Assuming he used to be there and it's a sentimental shout because there's no logic to it otherwise IMO.

 

[Luke Imp]

Oof good luck with Pemberton

He certainly seems one who's forte is in with the youth teams. Did an excellent job at Forest and seems to have jumped about an awful lot since he left there when Billy Davies got rid of him.

 

[spireite]

Sheridan got the plaudits for keeping us up last season, but to be honest it was Pemberton who righted the ship and got us on the right track just before Sheridan got the job.

I'm glad John has gone. He should have walked ages ago if he had any dignity or morals, he's just been actively trying to get sacked so he could get paid off. Gone so far down in my estimation.

Fuck knows who we get now not sure what serious manager would want to come here

 

[EnglishRed]

Gary Roland Mills

 

[AdamStag]

I'm surprised Law is even mentioned by Chesterfield fans. He went about 7 years at Alfreton without keeping a clean sheet and, from memory, they had a terrible disciplinary record.

Assuming he used to be there and it's a sentimental shout because there's no logic to it otherwise IMO.

Uncle fester still knocking about? Knob.

There was a sentimental thing about bringing jack lester back - never a good move for anyone when you bring someone back like that - few on stagsnet have said Paul cox would be a good shout for them, knows non-league inside out - wouldn’t be a bad shout. I know how mansfield fans would take to an ex-chesterfield manager so not sure if that would wreck any deal?