European Union Referendum

[Ian_Wrexham]

Yep, because then we can make our own decisions and eventually become better off.

One country making its own decisions for itself is better than 27 countries trying to make decisions together when ultimately they only care about themselves.

But the UK isn't one country - it's four* separate ones linked in economic and political union. Would Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland all be better off going their own way?

* or three countries and six counties if you'd prefer.

 

[Abertawe]

Justice for Cornwall

 

[Renegade]

Just a heads up - Caucasian is a term from race science and should probably be avoided (unless you're referring to people from the actual Caucasus). Better to just say "white" - or "people racialised as white" if you want to be both factually precise and politically correct.

The more you know. Noted.

I always thought it was a term for white Europeans or whites of European descent.

Yep, because then we can make our own decisions and eventually become better off.

One country making its own decisions for itself is better than 27 countries trying to make decisions together when ultimately they only care about themselves.

Red was asking if we're never eventually better off outside the EU, would you still be happy with Brexit? You have a lot of blind optimism in politicians that haven't delivered before.

 

[Gladders]

But the UK isn't one country - it's four* separate ones linked in economic and political union. Would Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland all be better off going their own way?

* or three countries and six counties if you'd prefer.

But at least we have similar cultures and a common language amongst other things, something the EU does not.

 

[Gladders]

The more you know. Noted.

I always thought it was a term for white Europeans or whites of European descent.



Red was asking if we're never eventually better off outside the EU, would you still be happy with Brexit? You have a lot of blind optimism in politicians that haven't delivered before.

Better to have optimism in our own Mps rather than 26 other forfeign countries making decisions that affect us

 

[Benji]

Better to have optimism in our own Mps rather than 26 other forfeign countries making decisions that affect us

Not if they're incompetent.

Unrelated, Theresa May forgot to mention Gibraltar in Article 50 so now it's a disputed territory.

 

[Renegade]

Better to have optimism in our own Mps rather than 26 other forfeign countries making decisions that affect us

You still didn't answer his question bud.

 

[Gladders]

You still didn't answer his question bud.

Nobody can see into the future, how long do you give it before you decide we are worse off than when we were in the EU? It could take 1,2,5,10,20,50,100..... Years

However long it takes we will eventually do better with our own people making decisions for us rather than relying on 26 other countries with different cultures, languages etc. Making decisions together when they only truly care about themsevles, the whole idea of the EU is flawed.

So even if me and everyone else is long dead before we see the gains it will be worth it.

 

[.V.]

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/03/31/week-in-review-a-cold-dose-of-reality-for-team-may

 

[smat]

So even if me and everyone else is long dead before we see the gains it will be worth it.

So Brexit is basically a sort of jihad for straight bananas?

 

[Gladders]

So Brexit is basically a sort of jihad for straight bananas?

No its the ultimate long con against lefties

 

[smat]

No its the ultimate long con against lefties

Do you think the EU is left wing?

 

[Renegade]

Nobody can see into the future, how long do you give it before you decide we are worse off than when we were in the EU? It could take 1,2,5,10,20,50,100..... Years

However long it takes we will eventually do better with our own people making decisions for us rather than relying on 26 other countries with different cultures, languages etc. Making decisions together when they only truly care about themsevles, the whole idea of the EU is flawed.

So even if me and everyone else is long dead before we see the gains it will be worth it.

It's going to be an interesting century, but I can't help but think it's an insular outlook that won't help solve the world's biggest challenges. The British economy might end up doing better for a while, it might offer citizens a few additional perks for a while not being restricted by EU law (though we agree with around 97% of applicable EU law anyway?), but the world is going to be a very different place in 100 years.

Mass automation of jobs, the ever increasing effect of climate change, emerging superstate economies and militaries, threat of over population, human rights - these and more are bigger problems the whole world has to fix than a few laws that might, some time down the line, have a small positive effect on the UK...taking ourselves away from a block of nations that endeavours to solve some of these problems and possibly being the catalyst for the break up of the entire EU (we'll see how Le Pen does) would be detrimental to any future progress we make in solving these issues. Nation states look out for themselves, not the rest of the world. In essence, I don't think the sovereign law changes that the UK is able to make in 100 years (you'll have lost Northern Ireland and possibly Scotland by that point) will matter that much. If I'm wrong about Brexit, I will be happy that we made the right decision. You seem to be happy as long as your vote was the one that won.

 

[Gladders]

Do you think the EU is left wing?

It's more left than right and the UK will be/has become more right on leaving

 

[Gladders]

You seem to be happy as long as your vote was the one that won.

I'm happy we had the chance to decide our own future, if remain won then so be it, wouldn't make a huge difference to me. However I have been against the idea of the EU since I studied parts of it at Uni, as I said I don't believe the whole idea of multiple different countries working together works better when they only truly want whats best for themselves, compared to a country just doing what is best for itself. Despite what people say we are not as small as made out with a top 10 economy we can survive and prosper without being at the mercy of the EU

 

[Abertawe]

Remaining would've meant we dissolved our right to self determination which made leaving the obvious option. Agree with Renegade as to the challenges of automation but that's exactly why leaving is the right option.

 

[silkyman]

Nobody can see into the future, how long do you give it before you decide we are worse off than when we were in the EU? It could take 1,2,5,10,20,50,100..... Years

So even if me and everyone else is long dead before we see the gains it will be worth it.

So you're happy for 100 years of potential hardship on the offchance of there being some light at the end of that tunnel?

If my six-year-old daughter knew any swear words, she'd probably tell you to go and fuck a cheesegrater for happily consigning her and her eventual kids, grandkids and great grandkids generations to the scrap-heap on a promise of 'Hey, it might be slightly better for your great-great-grandkids.

Do you even realise how batshit insane that actually sounds?

 

[Martino Quackavelli]

I think you have to have kids to understand.

 

[Renegade]

I will never get the image of fucking a cheese grater out of my head now.

 

[ThisTinpotLeague]

But the UK isn't one country - it's four* separate ones linked in economic and political union. Would Wales, England, Scotland and Northern Ireland all be better off going their own way?

* or three countries and six counties if you'd prefer.

Why stop there? England has approximately 53.01 million people who aren't Frealaf and can't be counted on to look out for his best interests.

Frealaf, if you declare independence and promise I can be captain of the new national football team for world cup qualifying then I'm absolutely with you. I'll even cede control of our education policy.

 

[Gladders]

I think you have to have kids to understand.

If you're trying to imply I don't have kids then you would be wrong.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Why stop there? England has approximately 53.01 million people who aren't Frealaf and can't be counted on to look out for his best interests.

Frealaf, if you declare independence and promise I can be captain of the new national football team for world cup qualifying then I'm absolutely with you. I'll even cede control of our education policy.

Oh, does it turn out that anarchism is the inevitable conclusion of the consistent application of principles people claim to believe in again? My, who'd have thought.

 

[smat]

Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell talking about bringing back blue passports here, not sounding like a completely fucking mental idiot:

“The humiliation of having a pink European Union passport will now soon be over and the United Kingdom nationals can once again feel pride and self-confidence in their own nationality when travelling, just as the Swiss and Americans can do. National identity matters and there is no better way of demonstrating this today than by bringing back this much-loved national symbol when travelling overseas.”

 

[Martino Quackavelli]

I for one welcome our new insect overlords.

 

[silkyman]

So today's brexit bulletin.

• £500m for blue passports.
• Some thundercunt in the Telegraph demanding the return of imperial measurements.
• War with Spain.

 

[Benji]

Lord Howard is a remarkable bellend. If we do go to war with Spain can we put him, Farage and Johnson on the front line while the rest of us stay at home?

 

[Laker]

Yep, every Brexiteer wants a war with Spain and it's clearly going to happen.

 

[smat]

Yep, every Brexiteer wants a war with Spain and it's clearly going to happen.

From the horse's mouth. This is proof. Fucking insane. I won't be signing up to fight Spain for your disgusting imperialist country.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

If we do go to war with them, can we take La Linea de la Concepcion too? It'd add a nice bit of land, another port and extra beaches for us.

 

[Laker]

Benidorm, Ibiza and Tenerife are practically part of the UK anyway, we could Crimea them too.