European Union Referendum

[silkyman]

I don't think they have any plan to disband or anything. Farage remarked about the voting system being his next big crusade 'after we leave the EU'.

But how will that appeal to racists?

 

[Alty]

But how will that appeal to racists?

Fucking hell you're boring.

 

[silkyman]

Chill out. It was only a joke. Is there something in the water in that neck of the woods?

 

[Alty]

Chill out. It was only a joke. Is there something in the water in that neck of the woods?

It's the same unfunny joke again and again and again and again. Boring.

 

[mnb089mnb]

It's the same unfunny joke again and again and again and again. Boring.

Works for UKIP.

 

[Carver]

Leave the EU.

The EU is run by EXTREME liberals who we did not vote for and they opened the doors to this mass immigration problem sweeping across Europe and now we see terrorist attacks happening in Europe. Plus they make all these other silly rules that we have no control over and have been a problem for years.

Don't undermine how our country will cope if we leave, countries like Norway and Iceland are doing just fine on their own.

The EU is going to shit! We must leave before we're brought down with it.

 

[Pyeman]

Don't undermine how our country will cope if we leave, countries like Norway and Iceland are doing just fine on their own.

Don't countries like Norway and Iceland still rely heavily on trade with the EU? And in order to establish individual trade agreements aren't they required to still comply with many of the rules and regulations that you're not happy about?

Therefore essentially meaning that many of the negative elements of EU membership still affect them without having the positives?

I don't know a great deal about European economics or politics, but I heard this argument on the radio recently. Maybe you can tell me if it's actually true?

 

[Techno Natch]

Leave the EU.

The EU is run by EXTREME liberals who we did not vote for and they opened the doors to this mass immigration problem sweeping across Europe and now we see terrorist attacks happening in Europe. Plus they make all these other silly rules that we have no control over and have been a problem for years.

Don't undermine how our country will cope if we leave, countries like Norway and Iceland are doing just fine on their own.

The EU is going to shit! We must leave before we're brought down with it.

Which rules do you not like l?

 

[Aber gas]

This should be interesting

 

[Tilbury]

EXTREME liberals

I like this phrase.

 

[Alty]

EU gets in the way of intelligence cooperation, says ex CIA director: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35898255

The response from a member of the European Parliament was enlightening: "If he were faced in the US with separate services... he would be the first to call for a centralised agency."

Slight difference being that they're one country with a federal government, you fucking fanatic.

 

[Carver]

Which rules do you not like l?

they all come over ere and take our jobs!

 

[Tilbury]

Boris on our progressive attitudes on gay equality "did those rights, come from the EU? Or did it come from people campaigning in our courts, our parliament?
"It was us, the British people, that created that environment of happiness and contentment for LGBT people and it is absolutely vital we fight for those rights today because they are under threat in Poland, in Hungary, in Romania and other parts of the EU where they are not protected in the way they are in our country.

First bit I agree with, second bit, absolutely they are under threat in parts of Europe. But we should use our power and influence to help steer these countries onto a progressive course.
The out logic is- see a problem somewhere other than the UK, cover ears and close eyes. I read a poll in the i the other day that 46% of British people thought the best way to *deal* with the refugee crisis is for us to leave the EU. I mean fuck, talk about trying to bury your head in the sand.

 

[Alty]

Boris on our progressive attitudes on gay equality "did those rights, come from the EU? Or did it come from people campaigning in our courts, our parliament?
"It was us, the British people, that created that environment of happiness and contentment for LGBT people and it is absolutely vital we fight for those rights today because they are under threat in Poland, in Hungary, in Romania and other parts of the EU where they are not protected in the way they are in our country.

First bit I agree with, second bit, absolutely they are under threat in parts of Europe. But we should use our power and influence to help steer these countries onto a progressive course.
The out logic is- see a problem somewhere other than the UK, cover ears and close eyes. I read a poll in the i the other day that 46% of British people thought the best way to *deal* with the refugee crisis is for us to leave the EU. I mean fuck, talk about trying to bury your head in the sand.

We can try to influence countries on LGBT rights through the usual diplomatic channels. But this really has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. Christ, the systematic discrimination against all sorts of groups that continues in several EU countries never stopped those countries joining in the first place. Which if the EU was the great promoter of liberal values it claims to be, it should have done.

 

[Tilbury]

We can try to influence countries on LGBT rights through the usual diplomatic channels. But this really has nothing whatsoever to do with the EU. Christ, the systematic discrimination against all sorts of groups that continues in several EU countries never stopped those countries joining in the first place. Which if the EU was the great promoter of liberal values it claims to be, it should have done.

Yeh I agree the EU should have done more to ensure these countries adopted more tolerant views when they first joined but there are reasons this process was hurried; namely fear of Russian expansionism which I think now is justified and creating a stable neighborhood.
And yes it has nothing to do with the EU, but why not make it? Rightly or wrongly the best carrot stick for getting people to do what you want is money. And that is definitely something that the EU has power with over the eastern states. Don't improve your equality laws? We'll cut your grants and subsidies. Sure you can't force the populations to adopt progressive attitudes overnight, but I think this would help edge them in the right direction.
And before you say it's not compatible to have people with such differing views governed together, the US has huge regional variations of support for issues like gay rights. And as you said earlier they are a sovereign nation, unlike Europe

 

[AFCB_Mark]

A slightly scary quote from De Backer in that article Alty.

"He said member states must now move on from the "old concept of sovereignty" towards a "shared sovereignty where we understand that we are better off when we share information and pool resources".

I would ask why the sharing of information and resource necessitates moving on from the concept of sovereignty?

 

[smat]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-campaign-employs-eu-migrants-arron-banks

lmao!

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Boris on our progressive attitudes on gay equality "did those rights, come from the EU? Or did it come from people campaigning in our courts, our parliament?
"It was us, the British people, that created that environment of happiness and contentment for LGBT people and it is absolutely vital we fight for those rights today because they are under threat in Poland, in Hungary, in Romania and other parts of the EU where they are not protected in the way they are in our country.

First bit I agree with, second bit, absolutely they are under threat in parts of Europe. But we should use our power and influence to help steer these countries onto a progressive course.
The out logic is- see a problem somewhere other than the UK, cover ears and close eyes. I read a poll in the i the other day that 46% of British people thought the best way to *deal* with the refugee crisis is for us to leave the EU. I mean fuck, talk about trying to bury your head in the sand.

Yes, and one should hasten to add that this was no thanks to him or his party! He's got a ruddy cheek, frankly.

For the sake of balance, I can only imagine what healthcare workers, and junior doctors especially, must have made of Jeremy Hunt's intervention ("Brexit puts NHS at risk!!!") Wish that some of these clowns would just stfu.

 

[Womble98]

The argument keeps being made that healthcare workers won't come if we aren't in the EU and we need them to keep the NHS going. But we could have a far fairer points based system which allows people based in on merit, on what we need. Doctors/nurses/medical staff from all over the world would be on an equal footing, so not sure that that argument works at all.

 

[mente captus]

they all come over ere and take our jobs!

 

[Carver]

What is this?

Just because I said "They took our jobs", does not make me a stereo hillbilly type!

 

[Aber gas]

What is this?

Just because I said "They took our jobs", does not make me a stereo hillbilly type!

 

[mnb089mnb]

The argument keeps being made that healthcare workers won't come if we aren't in the EU and we need them to keep the NHS going. But we could have a far fairer points based system which allows people based in on merit, on what we need. Doctors/nurses/medical staff from all over the world would be on an equal footing, so not sure that that argument works at all.

Pre-supposes that the government will get it right when they set the limits. There are skill shortages currently in many aspects of the NHS, yet the NHS are not allowed to employ from outside the EU. If the NHS had a shortage of ballet dancers they'd be able to employ them from outside of the EU.

 

[blade1889]

Maybe the answer is to employ ballet dancing nurses then? We need to start getting creative with this stuff and they'd certainly brighten up an otherwise thoroughly depressing place.

 

[.V.]

Anyone else had a UK and the EU: The Facts leaflet through? What a load of onesided bollocks. Is this the standard of the debate we're going to get?

 

[JaseTheVillain]

No, but I've had the one begging us to stay in the EU, something which I understand given the viewpoint of the majority of people around here.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

Anyone else had a UK and the EU: The Facts leaflet through? What a load of onesided bollocks. Is this the standard of the debate we're going to get?

I just saw this on Twitter.

http://infacts.org/behind-referendum-facts-flyer/

Dirty tricks, who'd have thought it?

 

[.V.]

I just saw this on Twitter.

http://infacts.org/behind-referendum-facts-flyer/

Dirty tricks, who'd have thought it?

That's what I resent, the fact they've dressed it up as being objective when it's anything but.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

the stay in vote on the 1ff poll has climbed a bit over the past two weeks

 

[.V.]

http://www.pollstation.uk/eu-referendum/vote-leaves-the-uk-and-the-european-union-the-facts/