European Union Referendum

[Abertawe]

Like how this guy shits on the liberal heads. https://www.tcs.cam.ac.uk/comment/0...e-showing-contempt-for-the-working-class.html

 

[silkyman]

Regardless of your views on whether brexit is a good or bad thing, are you really happy to see the government pressuring the police not to investigate criminal activity to ensure it goes ahead without a hitch?

https://opendemocracy.net/uk/brexit...brexit-campaign-investigations-claiming-polit

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

If that is true then it would be worrisome, but you've linked an article from a shady Soros-funded anti-Brexit group that neglects to mention who the Scotland Yard spokesman was that said the damning thing that their entire polemic is built on. It's hard to take it all that seriously.

 

[Laker]

Our chancellor reckons we’re gonna get a “Brexit dividend”. Sounds great to me.

#businessjargonbullshit

 

[Super_horns]

More talks but no real movement towards an agreement on certain issues like the Irish boarder.

Will there be a time when both parties just agree there can be no deal?

 

[silkyman]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ays-no-deal-brexit-could-force-it-to-leave-uk

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...-uncertainties/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

No doubt this is all just ‘Soros funded propaganda’ too?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I'm not sure what you're after here. Brownie points because those articles aren't horribly sourced like the last one you posted? Companies threatening to alter their plans depending on the deal (or lack thereof) is nothing new. There's actually been remarkably little action given the limbo they find themselves in. I'm sure May welcomes this sort of news, it'll help make her inevitable betrayal attempt much more palatable.

 

[Craig]

More talks but no real movement towards an agreement on certain issues like the Irish boarder.

Hopefully he doesn't end up homeless.

 

[Fompous Part]

 

[silkyman]

I'm not sure what you're after here. Brownie points because those articles aren't horribly sourced like the last one you posted? Companies threatening to alter their plans depending on the deal (or lack thereof) is nothing new. There's actually been remarkably little action given the limbo they find themselves in. I'm sure May welcomes this sort of news, it'll help make her inevitable betrayal attempt much more palatable.

Well you wrote the entire concept off because of the source of the last one, but just decided not to bother now?

Do you actively want a no deal and the job losses that will entail? Did everyone in Sunderland think 'yeah, I don't mind the entire region being plunged into economic disaster, I just don't want to hear anymore Lithuanians in Tesco'?

 

[Benji]

Are you a fan of Matt? I've never met one.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Well you wrote the entire concept off because of the source of the last one, but just decided not to bother now?

I don't know what that means.

 

[Modernist]

The road we're heading down and he increase I racism makes me wonder about everything I held dear about England. If I was younger I'd be planning a way out of here. The future is brighter elsewhere.

 

[Benji]

People did a march.

 

[Jockney]

People did a march.

People with t-shirts asking Juncker to marry them marching alongside bods carrying placards saying 'Love Corbyn, Hate Brexit'. Umunna giving a speech, followed by Caroline Lucas.

These people evidently want the same thing. There's no way this can go wrong.

 

[PuB]

Why would you not expect people who go on a march, to believe in said march's message? Unless you don't like the people who spoke?

Little confused

 

[silkyman]

I don't know what that means.

When I initially brought up the subject of the Met being leant on to not investigate the illegality you said it would be worrying ‘if true’ but wrote it off because you didn’t like the source. When I gave you alternative sources, rather than actually address the thing that you would have been worried about if true, you opted to just ignore it.

So. Are you happy backing a result that looks like it was not only won illegally, but is having that illegality covered up by the government?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

When I initially brought up the subject of the Met being leant on to not investigate the illegality you said it would be worrying ‘if true’ but wrote it off because you didn’t like the source. When I gave you alternative sources, [...]

What alternate sources? The links you posted appear to be to completely different stories.

 

[Fompous Part]

Remoaners demonstrate sense of humour shocker. Fair play.

 

[Jockney]

Why would you not expect people who go on a march, to believe in said march's message? Unless you don't like the people who spoke?

Little confused

What is the march’s message besides the empty signifier of a second referendum? What are the politics of Umunna, Mandelson, Adonis, Sainsbury, Osborne, etc — the figures with the most power and influence within the campaign — and how can they possibly ally with an anti-austerity, anti-establishment politics?

 

[PuB]

They're calling for a vote on the final deal, not a second referendum.

The second part of your post I don't understand at all (again).

 

[Fompous Part]

The only way a second referendum would not be a de facto second referendum on membership would be if the ballot paper offered nothing more than a clear binary choice between accepting a negotiated withdrawal deal and leaving with no deal at all. How many of yesterday’s marchers (and sulky #FBPE wankers generally) would happily agree to that? My guess is none.

 

[Jockney]

They're calling for a vote on the final deal, not a second referendum.

The second part of your post I don't understand at all (again).

Scumbag’s covered the first part.

Second part: joining an astroturfed campaign financed and led by people who are not only opposed to your interests, but want you driven out of the only party capable of delivering a true anti-austerity politics, is absolutely suicidal. But it can’t be ignored that a sizeable chunk of Corbyn supporters were on that march yesterday and support the march — as do most rank and file union members. But they, like the rest of the so-called grassroots, hold almost no real power or influence in this process — what they’re doing is handing the keys back to the same establishment types who ran the first campaign, the likes of a George Bloody Osborne.

If you’re a liberal Tory, a Lib Dem or a Blairite, then of course the march makes sense, but those Love Corbyn, Hate Brexit types (my mum among that number) need their heads tested imo.

 

[Fompous Part]

That Mrs Binnie certainly has a lot to answer for...

 

[PuB]

I agree; Love Corbyn, hate Brexit makes no sense whatsoever, given Corbyn has been opposed to the EU for the best part of 40 years.

Again, I don't get your point about the grassroots holding no power nor handing the keys back to George Osbourne. I haven't said which side I'm in favour of so it might be best to sound less preachy.

Ta.

 

[Jockney]

I agree; Love Corbyn, hate Brexit makes no sense whatsoever, given Corbyn has been opposed to the EU for the best part of 40 years.

Again, I don't get your point about the grassroots holding no power nor handing the keys back to George Osbourne. I haven't said which side I'm in favour of so it might be best to sound less preachy.

Ta.

Darling, this thing wasn’t about you until you hijacked my point and for some reason made it about you. I vaguely remember your previous interventions, which always seem to boil down to: “I don’t like your point and/or [but mostly and] I don’t really understand it, so let me passive-aggressively needle you with bad faith replies until I finally give up and accuse you of condescending to people because I feel stupid/insecure.” Which is not so uncommon on the internet, and lord knows we’ve all been there, but letting it turn into a pathology is a bad look.

Either DM me or put me on ignore x

 

[PuB]

I didn't hijack your point, I still don't understand what your point was. Telling someone to either shut up or DM you is slightly more than passive agressive too, especially on an Internet forum. A surefire way of showing everyone you can't explain your position, babe.

Edit: if anyone else can explain Jockneys point to me I'd be most grateful

 

[Abertawe]

A reminder to the shitness of the eu but sadly it's preferable to Bannon Brexit. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45954022

If we end up with a labour government before the end date we gotta leave.

 

[Abertawe]

I didn't hijack your point, I still don't understand what your point was. Telling someone to either shut up or DM you is slightly more than passive agressive too, especially on an Internet forum. A surefire way of showing everyone you can't explain your position, babe.

Edit: if anyone else can explain Jockneys point to me I'd be most grateful

Stop being a brillo pad.

Those who financed and were present at the march were the reason Brexit came about in the first place. Where is the awareness for who and what allowed for boogie man figures like Farage to come to prominence. Providing democratic weight to these figures to commandeer a remain is absurd. The majority on that march would be better off disassociating themselves with this establishment funded march for the rich and arrange their own if they're that arsed. People are too dumb for a democracy so hopefully Corbyn & McDonnell go rogue once they're in.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

What if you think as I - and presumably many other Corbyn-inclined folk - do that Brexit will result in an economic downturn and the resulting strain on public finances will likely greatly reduce the opportunity for anti-austerity politics to flourish? If that comes to pass, being able to say "oh well, at least I didn't share a platform with Chukka Umunna" isn't really going to be of much use to anybody of a left-wing political persuasion. In a time of crisis far-right populism may very well look rather more attractive than whatever the left is offering. Yes, a lot of #FBPE types don't have great politics and many clearly have a very different agenda, but the stakes are high, it's a polarised subject - any sort of initiative such as the march is going to attract a fairly loose coalition of different people, some with very different political outlooks. I don't know that that's necessarily a problem (or at least I don't know that it's any more of a problem than whatever the alternative might be).