Football League Trophy poll

[BigDaveCUFC]

The one crucial thing about the last 2 days is it confirms 100% that next to no one at efl or owners can be trusted with their 'we wont let b teams into the league' stuff last summer and if anyone still believes that bullsh*t they can look to their so-called 'listening to fans' clap trap excuses all while saying 'but we voted for the money.

Guardiola was demanding b teams in league in January......it is still a big threat and as proved the last few months these greedy money orientated people making the choices and doing the votes have little care anymore.

Hense this must still be boycotted and not just grudgingly accepted like mk dons was.........accept this and you will kill lower league football long term

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

I read one of the possible fan responses could be a weekend asking fans to boycott a league match........or targetting clubs who voted yes to boycott as away games........

What are views of people to either of these? I personally think a massed l1-l2 boycott day would give us power back as that would do a lot of financial damage

 

[EricSabin]

I read one of the possible fan responses could be a weekend asking fans to boycott a league match........or targetting clubs who voted yes to boycott as away games........

What are views of people to either of these? I personally think a massed l1-l2 boycott day would give us power back as that would do a lot of financial damage

I'd support fans of teams who voted yes to boycott, or be boycotted by others, but my club (Northampton) listened to our fans in meetings with our supporters trust and and voted to scrap it altogether. A mass boycott of all league 1/2 teams would unfairly target the teams who said no, and itd be harder to get people on board with imo, and then it would look like a failure

 

[Luke Imp]

I've kept up-to-date with this from afar because it's not been anything we've been involved in until now.

What's the point in only needing 6x U21 players for the PL/Championship teams? Surely that needs to be at least 8 or 9 to serve it's purpose of developing younger players?

 

[Luke Imp]

And, of course, the whole shenanigans last season where a L1 or L2 Club were punished for playing too many U21's.

 

[valefan16]

Two more years of this shit.

 

[AdamStag]

Two more years of this shit.

Didn't we beat you infront of about 900 at your place in it?

I was so interested, I didn't even know until the day after.

 

[Forza Imps]

Can't wait for this, this is why we got promoted. Instead of playing Woking we'll be playing Reading U21. Real football for real fans.

 

[Luke Imp]

Can't wait for this, this is why we got promoted. Instead of playing Woking we'll be playing Reading U21. Real football for real fans.

Who we battered in pre-season!

 

[Davidimp]

3 tournaments then where the big boys take the piss when they play lower league sides except this one is allowed.

 

[Davidimp]

Who we battered in pre-season!

We also beat similar strength Brighton and Ipswich sides in the fa cup!

 

[valefan16]

Didn't we beat you infront of about 900 at your place in it?

I was so interested, I didn't even know until the day after.

Was just over 1000 (unfortunately!) was our second lowest attendance at VP since it opened in 1950 I believe beating the game against Derby!

Ahhh finally winning a penalty shoot out against Doncaster too... our first penalty shoot out win in about 11 years only for it to not matter anyway. Pointless to the extreme.

 

[dedwardp]

In the Premier League Cup this season our U23s team beat Manchester City U23s. Yet if we were to play identical teams in this tournament we'd be fined. Ridiculous concept.

 

[Trapdoor]

The EFL have completely fabricated this result.

Ask your clubs to boycott this shit and play youth teams.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Not particularly taking sides with this one (my views of the EFL are well known), but what is the point of boycotting it anymore? Its only going to harm the individual clubs.

A decision about whether a competition will go ahead or whether B teams will be allowed in the pyramid will not be made based on the attendance of a dead rubber Luton Town v Colchester United match in Southern Group H. The footballing administrators have never cared about their customers in the past; why would they change a habit of a lifetime? At the end of the day, its all about money. Gate receipts are only a fraction of a football club's income. Like anything, should the head honchos want something so bad, they will just throw money on it and threaten until its accepted. The comments by the PL spokesman in regards to the Accrington chairman's comments was bordering on spiteful.

The changes are a positive step - sometimes compromise is needed. They listened to what our board had to say, so now it becomes a development tournament for all teams - from a footballing point of view, it can get those teams who invest in their academies and development players invaluable first team experience. There is no massive diktat, apart from the 4 outfield players. I'd like to have seen them go further by making all 18 squad players qualified for England or another UK nation and a maximum age of 23 for all U23 sides.

In terms of an U23 side getting to the final, as this season proved, these teams aren't as good as what they think they are. No team reached the quarters did they and I think only 3 teams qualified for the KO stages?

 

[Kenneth E End]

As I mentioned on another thread a while, there does need to be a vast restructure of how football clubs are funded in this country and stronger financial controls in terms of how its spent.

-No "prize money" for those teams that are relegated from the Premier League.
-A trebling of FA Cup prize money (this will improve at the latter stages and therefore the bigger clubs, but it might actually get them more interested in the tournament).
-A doubling of League Cup prize money
-More performance related cash by league position throughout the pyramid. I think the winner of L1 wins a paltry £50,000.
-More funding for youth/academy development at EPPP3 & 4. A proper youth team pyramid in addition to the FA Youth Cup.
-A doubling of central funding/solidarity payments down the divisions, but a percentage can only be spent on infrastructure improvements and reduction in ticket prices/travel.
-A vast reduction in parachute payments, but these should be available throughout all divisions down to the Conference.
-Stricter financial controls - no team should pay players more than 50% of annual revenue. There should be an algorithm in place to stop clubs being 'sponsored' well beyond divisional/market rates.

I did some calculations of this a few months ago - I seem to recall that the bottom team in the PL would still get their £80m a year and the top team around £175m. There is that much money floating around.

 

[Tom_CUFC]

In the nicest possible way, fuck right off Kenny. Fuck the clubs and fuck their money, if they're willing to sell out like this, again, then they deserve absolutely nothing from us.

The boycott is still absolutely imperative, what this vote has done is mean that much more needs to go on top of that, not that we sit on our hands and say c'est la vie, because that's exactly what they want.

This is all a precursor to B teams in the pyramid, we knew it last year, we knew it when they "scrapped" the WGS, and we know it now.

Doing nothing, or even less than last year, is not an option.

 

[Gladders]

Aye fuck off Kenny, this hasn't got through because of allowing a few extra reserves to play, it's got through because of the increased prize money.

Our chairman said that despite losing all three games and a fan boycott we still made money on it, so imagine what it will be now.

It just begs the question of what price the premier league need to offer for chairmans to accept B teams in the league, because despite all the talk of it never happening this just proves that for the right price the chairmen will vote for anything despite what supporters think.

I'm all for another boycott and I hope it goes further and a League weekend is targeted for a boycott too to get the message across that fans do matter and you can't keep ignoring us for a few extra grand a year.

 

[Kenneth E End]

In the nicest possible way, fuck right off Kenny. Fuck the clubs and fuck their money

Aye fuck off Kenny

Stay classy, both.

What did the boycott achieve this season? Nothing because its been extended for 2 years. And I boycotted every match up to the semi finals. I originally voted to scrap the whole competition altogether.

As for a precursor to B teams, who's to say the PL wouldn't choose to implement it anyway regardless?

In terms of a league weekend being boycotted, good luck with that one. Because 2/3 of people have probably already got tickets anyway!

 

[Vanni]

Hear hear. Stay classy both

Actually, I reckon staying classy is not an option when people read some of the crap you come up with sometimes Ken.

Let's start with your latest post, and you asking what was achieved with boycotting the games. So, in your opinion should we stop this boycott just because seemingly we weren't listened to? No. If at first you don't succeed then you try again, preferably with more drastic actions like boycotting league games too for instance. Then, there's your reasoning that nothing will stop the PL implementing the B Teams idea. That is an attitude that is generally adopted by losers across all walks of life. A defeatist stance will not get you anywhere, and there are a million and one things footy fans can do to make themselves heard.


There's also this little classic Kenny quote thrown in for good measure ''They listened to what our board had to say''

Amazing Kenny.

 

[GTFCfish]

And shock shock, Fenty voted for it, smart one.

http://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/new...atement-from-director-john-fenty-3714977.aspx

 

[Gladders]

And shock shock, Fenty voted for it, smart one.

http://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/new...atement-from-director-john-fenty-3714977.aspx

And uses the excuse that this is better than no competition at all.

No it's not, no competition is better than turning your own fans against you.

As for Kenny and a boycott not working, it may not have stopped the fools voting for it again but it certainly had a big effect on showing how fans felt. Giving in now and not boycotting anymore just because we have it for another two years is not going to do anything. Whereas boycotting again and bigger prehaps with league games makes our feelings known and we won't stand for being ignored again. Who cares if season tickets have already been purchased, people not showing for the game will still have an effect.

The only thing with a League boycott is making sure the teams that were sensible and voted against it are not effected.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

Not particularly taking sides with this one (my views of the EFL are well known), but what is the point of boycotting it anymore? Its only going to harm the individual clubs.

A decision about whether a competition will go ahead or whether B teams will be allowed in the pyramid will not be made based on the attendance of a dead rubber Luton Town v Colchester United match in Southern Group H. The footballing administrators have never cared about their customers in the past; why would they change a habit of a lifetime? At the end of the day, its all about money. Gate receipts are only a fraction of a football club's income. Like anything, should the head honchos want something so bad, they will just throw money on it and threaten until its accepted. The comments by the PL spokesman in regards to the Accrington chairman's comments was bordering on spiteful.

The changes are a positive step - sometimes compromise is needed. They listened to what our board had to say, so now it becomes a development tournament for all teams - from a footballing point of view, it can get those teams who invest in their academies and development players invaluable first team experience. There is no massive diktat, apart from the 4 outfield players. I'd like to have seen them go further by making all 18 squad players qualified for England or another UK nation and a maximum age of 23 for all U23 sides.

In terms of an U23 side getting to the final, as this season proved, these teams aren't as good as what they think they are. No team reached the quarters did they and I think only 3 teams qualified for the KO stages?

Because i would say there is an enormous chance of L2 being ditched to add B teams if people just gave up and accepted it which is why this still needs fought even if the Pl can still keep funding this now worthless competition to continue.

As shown over the last few weeks nearly every single club and especially them at the EFL cannot at all be trusted with anything they say and I for one don't beleive a word they say when talking about how it would never mean B teams in league.....Man City were asking for it only in January and will continue to ask for it, if they have 3 games here they will soon want 6, then more, then more.

You are right it may be out of fans hands anyway because PL may offer them another almighty £20,000 to buy a vote (that is how little it needs) but the only weapon we have is giving them that fear that B teams within the league could cause the same death of League games that it has for that competition (it is dead to majority of fanbases/press/managers/players)

i'd personally like a day of boycotts during a league weekend as that could really set a big threat to clubs, but the English are too gutless for that to happen.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

My choice would just to be able to play in it ......

 

[GTFCfish]

My choice would just to be able to play in it ......

Well you now have the FA Trophy which will be played in front of similar sized crowds.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Do they pick up as you get further ?

 

[GTFCfish]

Do they pick up as you get further ?

Slightly but still not great, although for you being your first season in it the novelty factor might pull a few more in though.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

We only got 2400 against Stamford in the FA Cup last year , so I don't see it being an attraction early on

 

[MrGloverLover]

As a club we voted to keep it as it is with the academy sides included. This was after they 'consulted' our fans about it.

By consulting our fans I mean asking (apparently) the newly-formed Achieve By Unity Supporters Consortium. This is a club idea designed to unite the different existing fans groups - all except strangely the Glovers Trust which was set up a year ago to attempt to give the fans more of a say in how the club is run. In reality the Achieve By Unity Supporters Consortium is just a tool to give the club more control over the fans, hence why the vast majority of us knew nothing about the EFL Trophy vote until our decision was announced.

 

[Chris FGR]

So I take it we'll be in this next season then? If we are anyone wanting low crowds at matches to highlight to the FA/EFL what a waste of time this is are in luck. We do low crowds very well.

Do you have to play your first team or get fined or has that been changed?