Is it time for a 'Managerial Merry go round' thread?

[valefan16]

Oh you evil bastard, didn’t think of that

More oddly he could technically relegate himself!

 

[leedsvaliant]

I mean there was the stonewall penalty that we didn't have given to us at the end of our game a couple of months back which means you gained a point (though there was no guarantee we'd have scored said pen).

It's easier to remember when you've been sinned against. That's not to call you a liar, but there was a game not long ago when we really got all the decisions - I can't even remember who that was against now.

Fair point on that one but no guarantee you score. The worst ones for us are on Saturday, as with an extra man we likely hold out for a win or get more goals. The other being Accrington where we scored a legitimate goal. There will certainly be others where we've been done, but there's a minimum 5 points.

It certainly does seem like we moan about referees but when they literally affect the outcome, we have a case.

 

[valefan16]

Fair point on that one but no guarantee you score. The worst ones for us are on Saturday, as with an extra man we likely hold out for a win or get more goals. The other being Accrington where we scored a legitimate goal. There will certainly be others where we've been done, but there's a minimum 5 points.

It certainly does seem like we moan about referees but when they literally affect the outcome, we have a case.

This one will obviously be even more highlighted because it’s resulted in the loss of a manager who was incredibly popular with the fan base.

As mentioned in our press it’s a sliding doors moment.

 

[Pompeyblueboy]

Vale must have pots of money if they can afford to sack Clarke when its completely unnecessary

especially with a 5 year contract

 

[valefan16]

especially with a 5 year contract

It will have had some break clauses almost certainly, but as said I’m not so sure it’s purely a Vale decision.

 

[Pompeyblueboy]

True,

The only caveat to the pasting we are getting as a club is that we don't know what if any part in this decision DC himself had, he hasn't looked himself, not been barking on the touch line like he used to be, did the Portsmouth job falling through affect him? Obviously last year's tragedy and then not really getting any close season due to the late finish/early start. He hasn't seemed himself throughout this run and could be that he needs time away.

He was never offered the job as far as I know. Where did u read that? send a link please

 

[Pompeyblueboy]

Why? Their stock isn't exactly high after Huddersfield and Pompey failures, decent sized club, good ownership, lots of investment going on around the club.

Not sure I would personally want them due to their football style, all be it maybe a way around the state of our pitch!

You wouldnt want them. They fcuked it up for us. 14 games without a win. We'd have been in the play offs with our present manager. Having said that we are shite so we deserve to be were we are

 

[valefan16]

He was never offered the job as far as I know. Where did u read that? send a link please

It’s never been officially anywhere but a lot in the “know” on our forums mentioned it, could be true could be rubbish.

Isn’t your CEO or key men local to S-o-T?

 

[Pompeyblueboy]

It’s never been officially anywhere but a lot in the “know” on our forums mentioned it, could be true could be rubbish.

Isn’t your CEO or key men local to S-o-T?

not sure what :mean?

 

[valefan16]

You wouldnt want them. They fcuked it up for us. 14 games without a win. We'd have been in the play offs with our present manager. Having said that we are shite so we deserve to be were we are

Our fans want decent football so would have a fit at the Cowleys! Yet they want Ainsworth as a legend who is equally as bad.

We’ve tainted enough Vale legends from that glorious 90s era by giving them managers jobs, Foyle, Aspin, Glover.

One twitter page linked us with Artell… he was battered… don’t think he realised the history there!

 

[Pompeyblueboy]

Our fans want decent football so would have a fit at the Cowleys! Yet they want Ainsworth as a legend who is equally as bad.

We’ve tainted enough Vale legends from that glorious 90s era by giving them managers jobs, Foyle, Aspin, Glover.

One twitter page linked us with Artell… he was battered… don’t think he realised the history there!

Any manager you get will be a failure. Theyve all been sacked somewhere along the line. Unless you get someone like us that has never been a manager before

 

[valefan16]

not sure what :mean?

There was talk on the forum that he was offered the job, or certainly went for the job (he wasn’t at the club for a few days that week) and was offered the job but couldn’t agree the compo (didn’t you all think it was about to be announced a new manager then it never happened for days?)

That was the rumour doing the rounds on our forums which that very week was the first game of our horrible run.

The move would have had him close to his family as he’s based in Southampton. With what has occurred to him he probably needed to be closer to home and hasn’t seemed the same since around that time.

A lot seems to add up but could be circumstantial. Some fans of ours seem to “know” he went for the job.

 

[valefan16]

Any manager you get will be a failure. Theyve all been sacked somewhere along the line. Unless you get someone like us that has never been a manager before

It could be the case if Crosby pulls off safety.

 

[Pompeyblueboy]

There was talk on the forum that he was offered the job, or certainly went for the job (he wasn’t at the club for a few days that week) and was offered the job but couldn’t agree the compo (didn’t you all think it was about to be announced a new manager then it never happened for days?)

That was the rumour doing the rounds on our forums which that very week was the first game of our horrible run.

The move would have had him close to his family as he’s based in Southampton. With what has occurred to him he probably needed to be closer to home and hasn’t seemed the same since around that time.

A lot seems to add up but could be circumstantial. Some fans of ours seem to “know” he went for the job.

Well you know more than me. His name certainly wasn't being bounced around down here.

 

[valefan16]

Well you know more than me. His name certainly wasn't being bounced around down here.

Bookies were though and you never see a bookie riding a bike…

I think he will take a break now though.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

Oh you evil bastard, didn’t think of that

They could both go down if some of the clubs below pick up. Double relegation on his CV

 

[goalshmole89]

It's still early days in the season, but there's no denying that the pressure is always on managers to deliver results. Cook and Wellens are both new to their clubs, so they'll likely get a bit of time to get their feet under the table. As for other managers who might be in trouble, it's hard to say at this point. Every season has its ups and downs, so it's all about how the teams perform in the long run.

 

[Bar Carousel]

Clarke's name was one amongst a high number of targets identified initially (this included Lee Bradbury at Eastleigh for perspective).

I believe we put out the feelers with a host of managers, but it didn't necessarily mean they were high on the list. Where Clarke was amongst this is unknown. What is for sure is that there was eventually a final three who secured multiple interviews, and he wasn't one of them. How much the compensation played a part in this is unclear.

As for Danny Cowley, i'd never wanted such an infectious guy to succeed more. Now the dust has settled and nuggets of information are sporadically being released, they have certainly started to taint their time here. It seems clear that there was friction between his methods and the direction the club wanted to take. Unrest with player signings in a last-minute haphazard approach, often preferencing a host of highly paid loans over a squad build. Spinning budget amounts, always to highlight underinvestment which turns out wasn't particularly accurate albeit we weren't spending akin to the Ipswich, Wednesday levels admittedly. Stories from our medical team that he was disregarding their advice and rushing players back causing long term injuries. A general 'I know best' approach. I'm sure that if Cowley was given a platform to reply he may argue against it, but the fact that stories are being leaked seems to suggest a general feeling of unrest. On the flip side, from a community point of view he couldn't have impressed further, but he's judged on results ultimately and in the three seasons he's had a hand in, we haven't reached the playoffs once. The squad we have now is the poorest and most disjointed we've had in six seasons at this level in my opinion. Take out Bishop (a Cowley success) and we would be battling it out down the bottom.

 

[Vanni]

We went 1-0 up at MK dons only for it to be ruled out. We got an apology on the Monday. That could be very costly for us come May.

Exactly but I think what made it worse was that in the space of sixty seconds we go from potentially one nil up to one nil down courtesy of a very cheap free kick that was wrongly awarded to MKD.

 

[Chris FGR]

It's still early days in the season, but there's no denying that the pressure is always on managers to deliver results. Cook and Wellens are both new to their clubs, so they'll likely get a bit of time to get their feet under the table. As for other managers who might be in trouble, it's hard to say at this point. Every season has its ups and downs, so it's all about how the teams perform in the long run.

Eh?

 

[kieran_vale]

The more i read the statement the more this doesn't appear as "knee jerk" as it seems on the face of it.

It talks about discussions with DC and senior players over "Recent Weeks" which seems to coincide with around the timing of the Burton game which seemed to be where the performances dropped off a cliff and the downing of tools began, gradually getting worse and culminating in the horror shows against Cambridge and Accrington.

I don't think this is purely a club decision but maybe one which could of been taken earlier if it wasn't right behind the scenes, DC hasn't been himself as mentioned, he looks flat, you don't have him barking and up and down the touchline, last season he did a Mourinho knee slide against Orient when we scored 2 injury time goals and started scrapping with a Swindon player in the semi, there has been none of that and none of the fired up DC we've come used to.

I felt he would build a legacy at Vale and it seemed a promotion set in the stars after the awful awful tragedy he suffered and to come back, take us to Wembley against the odds after needing a result at Exeter then being 2-0 down in the semi and 2 missed penalties down in the shoot out, the great start we had this season again against the odds somewhat with the injuries we had at the start of the season.

He is up there with the messiah Micky Adams and John Rudge as the best managers in my lifetime (maybe Brian Horton deserves some accolades too).

It does have the feeling that everything that happened last year has finally caught up with him, he was incredibly brave to come back as quick as he did to see the job through and I expect he will probably take a break now, I couldn't have done what he did and go back as quick as that in the circumstances.

I'm thankful for the pride and joy he put back into the club, love the bloke and my main concern is that I really hope he is ok in himself and can bounce back, he will be welcomed back whenever we cross paths again and rightly deserves his place in Vale legend.

Right or wrong, whatever the reasoning behind it I am absolutely heart broken to see it end up like this for him and judging by social media and our forums the majority of the fan base feels the same.

Going forward Crosby is hugely popular in his own right, he took the helm in the most difficult circumstances last season, supported the lads through it and turned our form into promotion form, winning 8 and drawing 1 in 9 at one point before a slipped up near the end and deserves our full backing and will get it in the challenge ahead, we can do the inquests in 3 weeks but we have to put everything into keeping ourselves in League One now.

Just on this DC shared a post on his LinkedIn account about people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I think that rules out the idea this was a mutual parting of the ways.

 

[valefan16]

Just on this DC shared a post on his LinkedIn account about people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. I think that rules out the idea this was a mutual parting of the ways.

Yeah doesn’t look great. Dig at Flickers?

 

[valefan16]

Notice DC is commenting on all Vale fans posts wishing him the best now.

I think Flickers is going to be taking a lot of stick in the coming weeks.

 

[kieran_vale]

Yeah doesn’t look great. Dig at Flickers?

Probably as it’s him who is in charge of anything that touches the pitch as Carol put it. You’d hope it wasn’t aimed at her if only as the way they supported him after what happened with his daughter. Only other one would be the players if he picked up on them being consulted but we’ll never know.

One way or t’other Vale have fucked up royally. Even if we went down who better than DC to win promotion from there?

 

[valefan16]

Former Lincoln manager John Schofield has come in to assist Crosby.

 

[YEO YEO YEO]

Former Lincoln manager John Schofield has come in to assist Crosby.

Thats a blast from the past. Wheres he been? Was it NI backroom staff?

 

[kieran_vale]

Thats a blast from the past. Wheres he been? Was it NI backroom staff?

Yeah he’ll have been involved with that setup there which will be how Crosby would know him as he was U21 manager before coming to Vale.

 

[Luke Imp]

Our fans want decent football so would have a fit at the Cowleys! Yet they want Ainsworth as a legend who is equally as bad.

We’ve tainted enough Vale legends from that glorious 90s era by giving them managers jobs, Foyle, Aspin, Glover.

One twitter page linked us with Artell… he was battered… don’t think he realised the history there!

Cowley is nowhere near Ainsworth's style.

 

[valefan16]

Cowley is nowhere near Ainsworth's style.

Its still aerial bombardment which with our fans moaning about DC it wouldn't go down well.

Personally I don't care if we are winning, Micky Adams wasn't exactly a footballing purist but he produced a side that scored more goals than anyone in the top 4 leagues in 2012/13 and had us battering promotion rivals 6-2 and 7-1 so i am not personally against it.

Might be a good fit with our current structure.

 

[Luke Imp]

Clarke's name was one amongst a high number of targets identified initially (this included Lee Bradbury at Eastleigh for perspective).

I believe we put out the feelers with a host of managers, but it didn't necessarily mean they were high on the list. Where Clarke was amongst this is unknown. What is for sure is that there was eventually a final three who secured multiple interviews, and he wasn't one of them. How much the compensation played a part in this is unclear.

As for Danny Cowley, i'd never wanted such an infectious guy to succeed more. Now the dust has settled and nuggets of information are sporadically being released, they have certainly started to taint their time here. It seems clear that there was friction between his methods and the direction the club wanted to take. Unrest with player signings in a last-minute haphazard approach, often preferencing a host of highly paid loans over a squad build. Spinning budget amounts, always to highlight underinvestment which turns out wasn't particularly accurate albeit we weren't spending akin to the Ipswich, Wednesday levels admittedly. Stories from our medical team that he was disregarding their advice and rushing players back causing long term injuries. A general 'I know best' approach. I'm sure that if Cowley was given a platform to reply he may argue against it, but the fact that stories are being leaked seems to suggest a general feeling of unrest. On the flip side, from a community point of view he couldn't have impressed further, but he's judged on results ultimately and in the three seasons he's had a hand in, we haven't reached the playoffs once. The squad we have now is the poorest and most disjointed we've had in six seasons at this level in my opinion. Take out Bishop (a Cowley success) and we would be battling it out down the bottom.

I'm pretty sure both DC and NC are qualified sport scientists, so they know what they're talking about. He had a group of players here who'd run through a brick wall for him so I suspect we had players playing when injured at times but that was also the nature of the players we had (helps when you're super successful as well).

Since DC left we've had a noticeable increase in injuries, and I put that down to other managers erring more on the side of caution with them than DC would, but we did generally have an average squad age of 26ish under him, so they were hardened to L1/L2 football rather than young lads here now who are still getting up to speed with L1 football having moved from the NL, Ireland, PL academies etc and an average squad age of 22.

We earned some good money down the years from DC freebies/buys, but here has probably been the only FT Club where he's had full and total control over transfers.