Is it time for a 'Managerial Merry go round' thread?

[BRFC_Gas]

From the ongoing farce that is the latest "Next Wycombe Manager" odds market:

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how much compensation would we have to pay Barrow if we steal their new manager after 4 days?

And I know it would be ridiculous to get one's knickers in a twist over the random names that appear on this list, but Evatt...please no.

May as well stick with the caretaking team, expected you to have better options as you are doing well and have a billionaire throwing cash around

 

[thewwfc]

well yeah, that was the conspiracy theory on our forum, that they barely even bothered to try and stop Bloomfield leaving because they had a yes-man lined up and all ready to go - who would be happy with a narrower "head coach" role, just working with a data-driven approach and limited control over signings.

But no, it seems we are flailing about in the market, a few random Scandis have been mentioned in addition to the usual suspects (Buckingham, Schumacher etc) but no-one's any the wiser as to who the real favourite is.

 

[Moomin]

Yeah at first you guys all wanted him out, then he was the best thing since google and signed a new contract, then this season he was shit again. Whats the current view on him I cant keep up!

That’s football fans for you!

I think the majority are behind him with the odd few who want him out. At times we are boring to watch but we can’t complain at being a solid enough L1 team and we’re also doing well in the cups. Hope he stays a while longer, personally.

 

[stevowanderer]

There’s a strong rumour we have landed Gary ONeil as new manager. Didn’t even feel he was an option in league 1. Was hoping for Schumacher but ONeil possibly a stronger appointment? Would take either.

 

[masi51]

Looks like it is Schueys White army!!

 

[masi51]

Schumacher confirmed.............3 and half year deal

 

[BarrieOwl]

Good appointment for Bolton that, shame, Masi may end up in the Championship forum now

 

[masi51]

He has added to his backroom staff this morning adding Mark Hughes [not that one] who he worked with at Plymouth and stoke, but added Ritchie Kyle who was Edwards assistant at Luton
So not a yes man like we have had the last few years

 

[That Fat Centre Half]

He has added to his backroom staff this morning adding Mark Hughes [not that one] who he worked with at Plymouth and stoke, but added Ritchie Kyle who was Edwards assistant at Luton
So not a yes man like we have had the last few years

Kyle was one of 2 assistants but it’s understood his main focus was out of possession shape which gradually went from a strength of ours in the championship promotion season, in my view largely because Nathan Jones had ingrained a way of playing so deep it outlived him leaving, too an absolutely chronic issue for us this. We were and remain an absolute mess out of possession and that was apparently Kyle’s responsibility.

 

[Luke Imp]

He has added to his backroom staff this morning adding Mark Hughes [not that one] who he worked with at Plymouth and stoke, but added Ritchie Kyle who was Edwards assistant at Luton
So not a yes man like we have had the last few years

He had Chris Cohen, one of our coaches, at Stoke as well. Not sure whether anything is likely to happen there.

 

[thewwfc]

Sunderland Echo is reporting that Mike Dodds, assistant head coach at Sunderland, is off to be new Wycombe head coach.

No idea if this is true or not, but it sort of makes sense in as much as ours is no longer a old-school manager role where you get full control of signings and basically everything on the football side (as it was when Matt Bloomfield came into the job), but a pure "coaching" role under a director of football.

He's been interim head coach of Sunderland several times (the chance seems to come up regularly with the amount of guys they sack...).

Not sure what to make of it, and no objective way to judge his credentials, but we'll see I guess.

 

[Super_horns]

Sunderland Echo is reporting that Mike Dodds, assistant head coach at Sunderland, is off to be new Wycombe head coach.

No idea if this is true or not, but it sort of makes sense in as much as ours is no longer a old-school manager role where you get full control of signings and basically everything on the football side (as it was when Matt Bloomfield came into the job), but a pure "coaching" role under a director of football.

He's been interim head coach of Sunderland several times (the chance seems to come up regularly with the amount of guys they sack...).

Not sure what to make of it, and no objective way to judge his credentials, but we'll see I guess.

He had a long spell in the role last season and struggled but maybe a bit of a tough period of uncertainty .

 

[thewwfc]

Mike Dodds confirmed.

Hard to know what to make of it really but I guess the guy knows his place and that he will have a limited say in the overall running of the club, not like an old-school manager.

 

[Master D]

Is he American?

 

[EnglishRed]

Mike Dodds confirmed.

Hard to know what to make of it really but I guess the guy knows his place and that he will have a limited say in the overall running of the club, not like an old-school manager.

Aren't you investing a lot more into the academy etc? Given his track record of working with young players it's an interesting appointment

 

[ForzaCounty]

We appointed Scott Rusk for that role four years ago and it was an unmitigated disaster, which led to Challinor coming in with a more traditional managerial role (oversight of signings). I really don't think that separation of roles will work in English football like it does on the continent.

 

[thewwfc]

Is he American?

nope - likes his baseball caps though it seems

Aren't you investing a lot more into the academy etc? Given his track record of working with young players it's an interesting appointment

Yes, that's the angle we'll have gone for, the aim is ultimately to have a Category 1 academy in place, churning out hot prospects to move on, but it takes time to build up to that level.

We appointed Scott Rusk for that role four years ago and it was an unmitigated disaster, which led to Challinor coming in with a more traditional managerial role (oversight of signings). I really don't think that separation of roles will work in English football like it does on the continent.

You could be right, we haven't got a choice though, our owner is a billionaire tech-bro and the whole aim of him buying the club is to use new data methods to turn us into Moneyball FC. Guess we just have to go with it.

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

Not quite a manager, but adjacent given the unsackability of Monk, but we've sacked our director of football Ben Strang.

It's been a disastrous few windows, but the timing is a trifle unusual.

 

[Tom_CUFC]

Monk gone.

It was obvious after he'd been here for a week it was never going to work. It was still obvious after his first vote of confidence, and it was obvious to everyone except the board after the second vote of confidence at the start of January, and not acting then is the one that has left us with no chance of staying in this division.

 

[thewwfc]

That is shambolic.

Terrible timing from the Cambridge board, too little too late.

If you’re going to shitcan the manager, do it before January, give the new guy whatever room you can to ship out the deadwood and get some survival signings in.

Now things just look too far gone.

I suppose at best they can aim for a manager who has a shot at a decent promotion campaign next season, I wouldn’t have trusted Monk with that job personally.

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

It's the downside of being notably more patient than most clubs, and it really has bitten us on the arse this time (and before with Derry/Calderwood etc).

Should have gone a long time ago really, if not after the start then certainly after Bristol Rovers.

So with his time now at an end, he leaves with a win percentage (for first team matches) of 17.7%. Exclude an FA Cup win against a side in the Conference and it's a magnificent 15%.

I don't have the personal animosity towards him that I do some previous managers, nor did the players down tools or the dressing room become misplaced, but it hasn't worked at any stage he's been with us. And I imagine that's his managerial career finished as well.

Next move will be interesting as it's surely nothing more than planning for next year, and presumably there'll be Director of Football irons already in the fire, so replacing as a pair makes a lot more sense (even if it being done sooner on both counts would have made even more sense!).

 

[Arbury]

Hallelujah! Like others have said, it’s to little to late, the brovers game was the last straw for me and yesterday’s game pretty much mirrored that one.

Paul warne for me, knows the lge and I love his honestly, feel like he’d give us the lift we need and if Paul Barry(our owner) is serious about the direction he wants to take us in then for me he’s the perfect fit, he’d undoubtedly need deep pockets though.

UIE.

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

Jon Brady is the name that jumps out to me, a balance of realistic and a former U.

As well all know, those are the only two criteria.

 

[thewwfc]

Yeah, I think Warne is a good shout, good experience, proven success and a fairly pragmatic style.

As you say though, much depends on the resources he’d have to play with - most lower league clubs would struggle to back him to anywhere near what he’d have been used to with Derby, especially ones that live within their means.

On the point that that’s Monk’s managerial career done now, I’d say not necessarily, but he really hasn’t distinguished himself in the top spot - I could see him maybe doing a Phil Brown and taking a tumble down the tiers.

What with so many young managers getting the nod these days, there’s still some once-big older names in L2 and below - Moore, Holloway, Hughes and Adkins being a few L2 names that have been more celebrated in the past.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Surely Monk wasn't cheap, and Warne won't be cheap either.
Seems like you are splashing the cash on managers and not players

 

[Arbury]

Surely Monk wasn't cheap, and Warne won't be cheap either.
Seems like you are splashing the cash on managers and not players

Monk hadn’t had a job for 3 years before coming to us so don’t think he’d have been on mega bucks, warne certainly will be though.

UIE.

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

Dunno how cheap he was or wasn't, but he'd been out of the game for 4 years. Warne is a whole other level and seems doubtful. Imagine the money we got for The Snake went a fair bit towards Monk.

As for players, no one is even sure our highest earner even exists, which is helpful. There's not much money to spaff at all.

 

[E10rifle]

Can see Cambridge crawling back to Mark Bonner

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

Can see Cambridge crawling back to Mark Bonner

Nah, too soon for both parties.

 

[GEORGE]

Monk gone.

It was obvious after he'd been here for a week it was never going to work. It was still obvious after his first vote of confidence, and it was obvious to everyone except the board after the second vote of confidence at the start of January, and not acting then is the one that has left us with no chance of staying in this division.

Should of been sacked when he signed Loft.