John Stones

[johnnytodd]

As you ask, how many times have Liverpool finished mid table in the last 30 years, never mind lower table? Now do the same for Everton. Also, Everton have won a single trophy since 1987. Feel free to check what Liverpool have won since then.

However, I personally wouldn't describe Everton as a mid table team. More upper half perhaps. But like it or not, Chelsea are a more attractive proposition than Everton currently are. And, if it makes you feel any better, Liverpool too, albeit to a lesser extent.

Why 30 years ? why not 50 or 60 years is it because your were a second division team back then?

 

[johnnytodd]

Mid-table was probably a bit OTT, upper-mid-table as you point out is probably more accurate.

good kop out

 

[johnnytodd]

If you need me to explain why Liverpool are a bigger club than Everton then you're more deluded than I thought.

where did i ask that? i just asked if we are a mid-table team, how did you come to that conclusion

 

[merseyboyred]

Why 30 years ? why not 50 or 60 years is it because your were a second division team back then?

50 years ago? I'm happy with 50. In the 1965/66 season we won the first division.

 

[johnnytodd]

50 years ago? In the 1965/66 season we won the first division.

thats 51

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

Why 30 years ? why not 50 or 60 years is it because your were a second division team back then?

If you go back to the start, Liverpool have won 62 major trophies. Everton have won 24.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I'm not even a Liverpool fan but your jealousy of them is worrying.

 

[johnnytodd]

what about 1954 - 1962 ???

 

[Pagnell]

Why 30 years ? why not 50 or 60 years is it because your were a second division team back then?

Do it from day one then if you prefer. We're still not middtable and have won far, far more than Everton.

I'm a little unsure what you're trying to achieve here. Do you even know?

 

[johnnytodd]

If you go back to the start, Liverpool have won 62 major trophies. Everton have won 24.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I'm not even a Liverpool fan but your jealousy of them is worrying.

please define major?

 

[johnnytodd]

Do it from day one then if you prefer. We're still not middtable and have won far, far more than Everton.

I'm a little unsure what you're trying to achieve here. Do you even know?

it was you lot who twisted the debate as you always do in every football debate your renowned for it

 

[Pagnell]

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

please define major?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_competitive_honours_won

 

[johnnytodd]

Do it from day one then if you prefer. We're still not middtable and have won far, far more than Everton.

I'm a little unsure what you're trying to achieve here. Do you even know?

Do it from day one then if you prefer. We're still not middtable and have won far, far more than Everton.

I'm a little unsure what you're trying to achieve here. Do you even know?

cant seem to find where you finished in 1954 - 1962

 

[johnnytodd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_competitive_honours_won

charity shield / league cup major?

 

[johnnytodd]

lose debate and post a gif, you'll be mentioning hitler next.

 

[Pagnell]

Come on, surely even you can do better than this? Do you even know what 'debate' we're meant to be having? What am I meant to have lost? Please elaborate.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

charity shield / league cup major?

Take them off then. They're still won twice as many league titles and five more European Cups than you have.

Infact, there is no trophy on there that you've won more than they have.

 

[johnnytodd]

As you ask, how many times have Liverpool finished mid table in the last 30 years, never mind lower table? Now do the same for Everton. Also, Everton have won a single trophy since 1987. Feel free to check what Liverpool have won since then.

However, I personally wouldn't describe Everton as a mid table team. More upper half perhaps. But like it or not, Chelsea are a more attractive proposition than Everton currently are. And, if it makes you feel any better, Liverpool too, albeit to a lesser extent.

1995 we won the FA cup , you probably supported United though then ehh..........

 

[Pagnell]

Confused. Angry. Nonsensical. All pointing at one thing.

 

[johnnytodd]

Take them off then. They're still won twice as many league titles and five more European Cups than you have.

Infact, there is no trophy on there that you've won more than they have.

THANKYOU very much for proving my point, you bring trophy count into to try to prove a point then cry foul when i do ' Huddersfield titles v Spurs'

thankyou point proven !!!!!!!!!

 

[Abertawe]

This guy is rubbish.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

THANKYOU very much for proving my point, you bring trophy count into to try to prove a point then cry foul when i do ' Huddersfield titles v Spurs'

thankyou point proven !!!!!!!!!

Not for the first time, you've missed the point.

 

[Nath]

It's possibly a win-win situation. Chelsea get a potentially world class CB who can replace Terry for the next ten years. £40m isn't big money when you consider the years of service they'll get for him. Similar to what United did with Shaw. Everton will get silly money to reinvest in the team. They could replace Stones and strengthen 3/4 other areas with that money. It could make them a much better team.

The problem here is Bill Kenwright. Will Martinez see much of the £40m? I'm not sure, but I'm sure that's what worries Everton fans most.

 

[johnnytodd]

It's possibly a win-win situation. Chelsea get a potentially world class CB who can replace Terry for the next ten years. £40m isn't big money when you consider the years of service they'll get for him. Similar to what United did with Shaw. Everton will get silly money to reinvest in the team. They could replace Stones and strengthen 3/4 other areas with that money. It could make them a much better team.

The problem here is Bill Kenwright. Will Martinez see much of the £40m? I'm not sure, but I'm sure that's what worries Everton fans most.

Great post, but the initial post was about Stones thinking he can cut it at the top table after 1 semi-decent season at Everton when we were a lower than mid-table side .....i cant think why he would think he is good enough......

 

[johnnytodd]

Not for the first time, you've missed the point.

Just forget it and stick to your point scoring posts with the other tossers

 

[SALTIRE]

Everton should realise they are a small stepping stone club who should buy low and sell high and come midtable every other year. Once they realise that the fans will be more realistic with their aims and not get carried away when a player wants to move up the ladder.

 

[Pagnell]

A stepping stone for Stones.

 

[Nath]

Great post, but the initial post was about Stones thinking he can cut it at the top table after 1 semi-decent season at Everton when we were a lower than mid-table side .....i cant think why he would think he is good enough......

Nothing wrong with a bit of self-belief. He is clearly talented, and with the right guidance at Chelsea he could become an excellent player. He and Zouma could forge a great partnership.

His head is clearly turned now, so Everton would be silly not to sell.

 

[SALTIRE]

A stepping stone for Stones.

He's a boulder amongst pebbles.

 

[G-Dragon]

Everton are a nothing club now tbh.Terry is getting old and Cahill is certainly not the greatest defender (who could be displaced by Stones sooner rather than later).This is an ideal time for Stones to join Chelsea. Sure, he might not start every single game but enough to develop himself and be phased in next season as the first choice. #FreeJohnStones