Knife Crime- Stop and Search

[Aber gas]

Here's the honest British bobby going about his lawful business.
Cheers guv.

 

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The organised British working class against the agents of state control.
Tell me again about how lovely they all are.

 

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[Aber gas]

Look at them go until they shit themselves.
#thinblueline

 

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[Aber gas]

Assaulted and arrested for being black in the wrong area #thinblueline

 

[NorfolkWomble]

Those were 20 years ago. If you don't think police are a huge degree more accountable now you are blind. Also, a riot situation is very different, and when you have people throwing bricks at you, I think it is pretty understandable that they fuck up.

 

[Abertawe]

Those were 20 years ago. If you don't think police are a huge degree more accountable now you are blind. Also, a riot situation is very different, and when you have people throwing bricks at you, I think it is pretty understandable that they fuck up.

Oh dear what you got to say about this posh boy?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-38691162

 

[Abertawe]

A longer clip of the incident paints the police in an even worse light.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/20/police-admit-tasering-ownblack-race-relations-advisorafter-mistaking/

 

[Stevencc]

Good of them to admit it, eh?

 

[Techno Natch]

Didn't think this needed a new thread of its own but this is pretty messed up.

Form 696: Concern over 'racist' police form to be raised - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-39181672

 

[Aber gas]

Another black kiddie dies by cop and surprise fucking surprise the cops lied again. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...olice-custody-in-dalston-police-a3602671.html
Fuck them, anybody not ACAB these days is fucking deluded.

 

[claret50]

Another black kiddie

A 20 year old kiddie?

 

[Mustard]

The opening of that article is wrong. He had swallowed drugs, just not illegal ones - but instead a paracetamol and caffeine mix which I can only assume he bought thinking was cocaine or something else. He ingested it when the Police came, and died.

Pretty stupid way to die.

On the face of it the fact that it wasn't illegal drugs doesn't look good for the Police, but it's clear that he thought they were because what reason would he have to try and hide a paracetamol/caffeine mix? Of course the ACAB crew will just claim the the police officer shoved a packet of Panadol down his throat before strangling him or some nonsense.

 

[Techno Natch]

What you have to ask is even if it was cocaine would it have been any better? We've created a market that makes people take stupid risks like this.

 

[Mustard]

That's mostly an issue with the government though - not the Police. In my opinion being caught with drugs should be decriminalised with a focus on rehab rather than punishment. Perhaps in that instance this guy wouldn't have panicked and swallowed the drugs. But the policeman here is only enforcing what is currently law.

 

[Techno Natch]

That's the problem with the police though isn't it? They are following the law unquestionably.

Is it worth going full on hard to someone who they think had a substance on them? Probably not.

 

[Jockney]

The video shows the copper with his arms around Rashan's neck and then his neck and chest for a full two minutes.

"What a stupid way to die."

 

[Aber gas]

A 20 year old kiddie?

It's a Bristol slang term for youngster or youth. Hope that helps.

 

[claret50]

It's a Bristol slang term for youngster or youth. Hope that helps.

Ahhh, I get it now, cheers.

 

[NorfolkWomble]

Another black kiddie dies by cop and surprise fucking surprise the cops lied again. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/cri...olice-custody-in-dalston-police-a3602671.html
Fuck them, anybody not ACAB these days is fucking deluded.

He swallowed something.

 

[Mustard]

That's the problem with the police though isn't it? They are following the law unquestionably.

Is it worth going full on hard to someone who they think had a substance on them? Probably not.

So they should have let this guy go? He was clearly either doing or dealing drugs. You don't walk around with bags of paracetamol/caffeine unless you bought it thinking it is something else (most likely), or are selling it/cutting it with heroin. Police can and do show restraint giving to the circumstances they are in, but this wasn't a case where they should have done that. They can't have predicted that going after this bloke was going to lead to him swallowing a plastic bag.

The video shows the copper with his arms around Rashan's neck and then his neck and chest for a full two minutes.

"What a stupid way to die."

Clearly it was the Policeman that killed him trying to stop him swallowing a plastic bag, and not the shoving of paracetamol and caffeine down his throat.

It is a stupid way to die, on his part the physical sense of swallowing a plastic bag which isn't a smart move, and also the fact that it turned out to be so unnecessary given the contents of the bag which he probably didn't know.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

So they should have let this guy go? He was clearly either doing or dealing drugs. You don't walk around with bags of paracetamol/caffeine unless you bought it thinking it is something else (most likely), or are selling it/cutting it with heroin.

If you walk around Dalston on any Saturday night you'll bump into people who are clearly off their heads on a cocktail of different drugs. Yet by and large these people don't get stopped by the police and don't end up dead because they're white.

 

[Mustard]

If you walk around Dalston on any Saturday night you'll bump into people who are clearly off their heads on a cocktail of different drugs. Yet by and large these people don't get stopped by the police and don't end up dead because they're white.

They also presumably don't swallow plastic bags, which would be the main thing.

That is a matter of resources as much as anything. BAME are actually marginally under-represented in deaths in police custody. https://fullfact.org/law/bame-deaths-police-uk/ . 10% of the deaths for 14% of the population. They are over-represented for deaths by police shooting (30%) which tend to be more high profile cases in the media. Why is that? At a guess I'd say BAME are likely over-represented in gang related crime which tends to be higher risk for this kind of thing as they are more likely to be armed themselves. Without looking at all 27 cases individually it's hard to say for certain though.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Good illustration here of how to collectively resist stop and search