League 1 General Chat Thread

[SF_]

Only in your opinion............Dont go fishing Ribbles a bit flooded at the moment

Nah, excellent flood defences in the City of Preston.

 

[Casey]

If what the EU ruling means that football is treated like any other workplace there is a way around it.

Club/Player signs a contract that has a clause that if either side breaks it early then a sum of money is payable by the other party. If the player wishes to transfer to another club, the player must pay the first club this sum of money. They do this by agreeing a 'signing on bonus' with the second club.

It's a transfer system under a slightly different guise.

Casey

 

[GEORGE]

All clubs that belong in League One though.

Rubbish -- Derby & Bolton are easily second tier clubs. In fact both dwarf Preston as a club.

 

[SF_]

Rubbish -- Derby & Bolton are easily second tier clubs. In fact both dwarf Preston as a club.

Always happy to unearth the crayon eaters.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Rubbish -- Derby & Bolton are easily second tier clubs. In fact both dwarf Preston as a club.

Yep, Preston are League One in stature and are run like a non league club.

 

[GEORGE]

Always happy to unearth the crayon eaters.

Don't think you fully understand the historical structure of the football league.

 

[SF_]

Yep, Preston are League One in stature and are run like a non league club.

Explain.

 

[masi51]

Explain.

Guess the layman has spoken........Preston are a great team and did well around the time Victroria was on the throne.
Helped Boltons staff ie the office staff when we was in Administration so i have a little soft spot for them, but as a club they are a little way behind us

 

[SF_]

Guess the layman has spoken........Preston are a great team and did well around the time Victroria was on the throne.
Helped Boltons staff ie the office staff when we was in Administration so i have a little soft spot for them, but as a club they are a little way behind us

I'm interested how we're run as a non-league club, according to an Exeter fan, of all clubs.

'L1 stature', I wouldn't cry too hard, but 21 of the last 25 years spent in the 2nd tier refutes that. There are also 7 clubs with lower average crowds than us in the Championship, and only 3 L1 clubs with higher. Since 2000, were quite clearly Championship level, in every sense.

The Bristol Rovers fan is just clearly dense, taking bait that even Masi avoided.

 

[denzel ecfc]

I'm interested how we're run as a non-league club, according to an Exeter fan, of all clubs.

'L1 stature', I wouldn't cry too hard, but 21 of the last 25 years spent in the 2nd tier refutes that. There are also 7 clubs with lower average crowds than us in the Championship, and only 3 L1 clubs with higher. Since 2000, were quite clearly Championship level, in every sense.

The Bristol Rovers fan is just clearly dense, taking bait that even Masi avoided.

Only time I went to Preston away fans weren't allowed in. The most tinpot club of all.
Might change my mind if we ever play you again.

 

[SF_]

Only time I went to Preston away fans weren't allowed in. The most tinpot club of all.
Might change my mind if we ever play you again.

When we sold out and got promoted? Very tinpot...

 

[denzel ecfc]

When we sold out and got promoted? Very tinpot...

Yes, when you filled the away end with home fans and denied away fans entry. Yes I am bitter, it was a long time ago but I'm never getting that 500 mile round trip back!

 

[SF_]

Yes, when you filled the away end with home fans and denied away fans entry. Yes I am bitter, it was a long time ago but I'm never getting that 500 mile round trip back!

You got dicked anyway

 

[Casey]

Crawley have two players called up for international duty, one of whom is our keeper. Seeing our other keeper is injured (he would have been called up for Wales u21 to get the game off) we are in a bind for the Salop match next Saturday.

Need to get an emergency loan. David De Gea?

Casey

 

[BRFC_Gas]

Crawley have two players called up for international duty, one of whom is our keeper. Seeing our other keeper is injured (he would have been called up for Wales u21 to get the game off) we are in a bind for the Salop match next Saturday.

Need to get an emergency loan. David De Gea?

Casey

We dont usually have a sub keeper so you can have Matt Hall if you are desperate. Our other keeper is on loan at FGR and doing very well by all accounts

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

Crawley have two players called up for international duty, one of whom is our keeper. Seeing our other keeper is injured (he would have been called up for Wales u21 to get the game off) we are in a bind for the Salop match next Saturday.

Need to get an emergency loan. David De Gea?

Casey

Don't think Fiorentina would let him go out on loan, to be honest.

 

[GEORGE]

Looking at the current table. It certainly seems like the clubs that did'nt spend that much ( correct me if I'm wrong ) in the summer transfer window are currently adrift in the bottom six. I know it probably won't end up that way but it is some sort of guide.

 

[dannylad01]

Crawley have two players called up for international duty, one of whom is our keeper. Seeing our other keeper is injured (he would have been called up for Wales u21 to get the game off) we are in a bind for the Salop match next Saturday.

Need to get an emergency loan. David De Gea?

Casey

We also have 2 called up ahead of Saturday. Hoole would have likely been on the bench given last Saturdays change of formation, but I'd imagine Pierre would have been starting. Not a huge loss but it means Nsiala would have to come back in of we stick to the same formation as Saturday. Advantage Crawley.

It was better first half by all accounts at Bolton Saturday. If we play anything like the Rotherham and Stockport home games tho Crawley wouldn't need a keeper

 

[Luke Imp]

Yeah but it’s not all inflated money, sponsoring the stadium, shirt, everything else is actually worth something for One Call.

I’m interested to see if anything comes in is actually iron clad, I’m skeptical it will be.

Oh absolutely, I'm not suggesting there's anything dodgy with it being inflated or anything, it's just a big plus to both One Call for advertising and obviously the Club as well because that'd be a huge amount to try and get in from local businesses.

I'm with you though, I'm not sure how solid any new rules will be. They'll always be some sort of workaround in them, it's always been the case. I suspect they'll move towards more of a 'live' system, a bit like the PL are planning, where everything can be monitored in real time and act accordingly i.e. transfer embargo's, ensuring owner money is in place to cover wages to prevent them walking away from a mess etc.

We have 18 non playing staff on the payroll, most of those get 'normal' wages rather than the gazillions the players are on.
Sounds like you are OK with your model?

I think we're very close to the stage where we're going to see if it'll work well enough to sustain L1 football. The Board have already said that the losses over the last couple of years aren't sustainable in the long run and have been as a result of an "investment phase" - having more permanent signings rather than using the loan market, a slightly larger squad and investment in the Academy. When we first came into L1 our USP was being able to offer young PL players game time under the development of Appleton but that was expensive (subsidising PL/Champ wages) and also didn't really help us long term (although as with any Club, you need to consolidate as a Club to start attracting decent L1 players).

We had three Academy lads start for us on Saturday so I think we're seeing things start to happen there albeit we started that from scratch in 2018ish so that was always going to take some time after the non-funding when you're an NL side.

In isolation, we've done some very good transfer business doing what we do and that goes all the way back to our final NL season. Raggett in for £30k sold for £350k, Woodyard on a free and sold for £200k, Waterfall on a free sold for £150k, Edun and Scully in for frees and sold for £650k combined, Sorenson a nominal fee from Stoke sold for £400k, Toffolo on a free and sold for £640k, Jensen on a free and sold for £500k so what we do works.

It's whether we can step up the buys and sales to get to a different level and starting getting some decent, top L1 level type figures in i.e. we bought Erhahon 18 months ago from St. Mirren for what we think was £150k, which is a lot of money for us, and from what I've heard we're expecting £1.5m-£2m for him when he leaves (still 2+1 left on his deal).

We've also got Roughan in particular along with a handful of others who I suspect the Club have earmarked as the next ones on the conveyor belt.

Whereas i agree with that, surely it has to be the championship also.

Them lot never seem to agree with much L1 and L2 want to do, they try their best to align themselves with the PL mainly because of the parachute payment issue.

 

[denzel ecfc]

Crawley have two players called up for international duty, one of whom is our keeper. Seeing our other keeper is injured (he would have been called up for Wales u21 to get the game off) we are in a bind for the Salop match next Saturday.

Need to get an emergency loan. David De Gea?

Casey

Go and enquire about Harry Lee. Not getting in our matchday squad at the moment for some reason

 

[Casey]

We got Connall Trueman from Millwall.

I have no idea but the most games in a season was 19 for Wimbledon on loan.

Casey

 

[Conker]

Oh absolutely, I'm not suggesting there's anything dodgy with it being inflated or anything, it's just a big plus to both One Call for advertising and obviously the Club as well because that'd be a huge amount to try and get in from local businesses.

I'm with you though, I'm not sure how solid any new rules will be. They'll always be some sort of workaround in them, it's always been the case. I suspect they'll move towards more of a 'live' system, a bit like the PL are planning, where everything can be monitored in real time and act accordingly i.e. transfer embargo's, ensuring owner money is in place to cover wages to prevent them walking away from a mess etc.

The next stage for Mansfield to increase income is to improve the capacity and hospitality at Field Mill (I’ll never call it the One Call!) which is currently underway with the Bishop street stand. Unfortunately looks like SAG will not let us split the away end like we did as a trial last season like when we get Stevenage visiting in a few week, who will bring 300/400 max I imagine. It’s a shame because that stops us adding another 600ish to the home capacity, which would undoubtedly sell.

We’ve been very shrewd transfer wise under Clough, DKD for £25k and sold him for what could end up being a million, Will Swan we at least doubled our money on, Hawkins and Lapslie a few seasons back had 6 months left on their contract and we got £160k for them both. Even Louie Reed only cost us £25k. We even got money for Kellan Gordon to Crawley somehow!

The only six figure I believe we’ve spent under him is for Will Evans, which is in early days but looks like really good value with the upfront fee only being £150k. We did try and spent more this summer considering we went after Rob Apter and Dan Cowley, but unless we feel it’s a fair deal we will not go through with it, nice to know the money is available for us to be competitive.

 

[SF_]

We got Connall Trueman from Millwall.

I have no idea but the most games in a season was 19 for Wimbledon on loan.

Casey

Love a random emergency loan keeper, I remember us getting Chris Day years ago and he did pretty well in his 5 or 6 games.

 

[Conker]

It’s Lucas Akins(Grenada), Keanu Baccus(Australia) and Ben Waine (New Zealand)

Akins was injured Saturday but is a mainstay of our side, Baccus started and Waine came on (our third choice striker and we play a front two) completely justified. Update that someone!

Christy Pym now added to the list, called up for Northern Ireland. After Lincoln where he had a mare he’s probably been the best keeper in the league, well deserved.

 

[Gi Dalor]

We got Connall Trueman from Millwall.

I have no idea but the most games in a season was 19 for Wimbledon on loan.

Casey

Any inside knowledge on what's going on with Benjamin Taminu?
a) No work permit
b) Not registered in time
c) No first touch
d) Not even close to match fitness. (This is actually what I think the problem might be. I know I might be being unfair on the Tanzanian league, but I think we don't realise how fit footballers need to be, so I'm guessing the club have him training separately until he can get up to the baseline for shuttles or whatever. The guy just hasn't played a full 90 minutes in a long, long time).
e) Just not good enough to get in the team.
f) Needs to learn English lower league style of play

The Nigerian fans are pretty salty about his callup, and quite a few saying that it's down to corruption; that's someone's getting a cut of his appearance money. Both Taminu and Eguavoen (the national coach) seem aware of the controversy. Must be nice to have the Super Eagles as your feeder team that you can send players out on loan to.
But yeah, given the discrepancies on the transfer fee;
g) Money Laundering

 

[ForzaCounty]

Love a random emergency loan keeper, I remember us getting Chris Day years ago and he did pretty well in his 5 or 6 games.

We've had a great time with emergency 'keepers down the years, Wayne Hennessey, John Ruddy, Fraser Forster, Dean Henderson....

 

[Pilot_Phonic]

Christy Pym now added to the list, called up for Northern Ireland. After Lincoln where he had a mare he’s probably been the best keeper in the league, well deserved.

Okonkwo would like a word.

 

[Throbber_for_Dunk]

We've had a great time with emergency 'keepers down the years, Wayne Hennessey, John Ruddy, Fraser Forster, Dean Henderson....

We had two just for play off finals!

Nice work if you can get it.

 

[Conker]

Okonkwo would like a word.

I guarantee if you’ve watched him in these past 5 games you’d agree. Plus Okonkwo played like a tradesmen against Birmingham.

 

[AdamStag]

Okonkwo would like a word.

He certainly wasn’t far off pym last season! i was impressed.