Fair enough. I don't really get why there's one rule for standing terraces and seated areas as you could have temporary solutions like they do in fully seated stands that house both sets of fans. Would be interesting to see what Barrow do if they ever get a big Prem side and fully sellout. Would that middle block still be empty? Or maybe there has been a full sellout in recent years?It's shite, but something the SAG insisted on apparently.
Fair enough. I don't really get why there's one rule for standing terraces and seated areas as you could have temporary solutions like they do in fully seated stands that house both sets of fans. Would be interesting to see what Barrow do if they ever get a big Prem side and fully sellout. Would that middle block still be empty? Or maybe there has been a full sellout in recent years?
SAGs need to be renamed as Anti Away Fan Advisory Groups.
Looking at you Sutton for some backup, ha.
Yeah we’re still very much an old non league ground but we’re doing our best to update fairly quickly - we had to for ground grading tbf. We have upgraded the away end including some sort of bar/food provision concourse area, still quite small in comparison to many but can accommodate around about 1.2-1.4k I think if needed. Next step is the Rec side home terrace as we need to get another 1,000 odd seats by end of 3rd season which I think will be done this coming summer, hopefully we can get something reasonable but as ever finances will dictate (as well as possible neighbours’ objections to anything of decent size). We obviously get plenty of sneering by the big boys but we were never expecting to play at this level and as per BarraMatt we didn’t ever have any spare cash to spend, it’s always been hard enough scraping enough for a competitive team.This is no way a gripe at SoC or anyone who has brought it up recently, and I'll be first to admit that the current setup for the away end could be a lot better, but it coming to the fore again has put these thoughts back into mind. It is just one thing that sometimes gets on my nerves and a bit of perspective is sometimes needed. When you come to Holker Street you're looking at the perfect example of a club running hand by mouth for nearly fifty years, ticket sales and sponsors being the only income. We have never had the benefit of someone sticking their hand in their pocket for 10-15 years like your typical clubs who have got promoted in recent years. The annual income from the National League was £50k p/a I believe, compare that to the £1.25m we now get. Clubs that have been down and come up have had the benefit of parachute payments if spent wisely and a long lasting fanbase, which we never really had. Therefore it's never been anything but a make do and mend scenario on our ground.
Looking at you Sutton for some backup, ha.
They’ve built a new away end. There is no excuse for yours. None.
I get what you're saying, but not sure of the relevance to the restricted view in the away end. What I'm saying there is don't have two dividers, so in theory less of an expense. However, I've since been informed that it's at the request of the SAG. But yeah, I do understand that you're probably a bit sick of fans of other clubs coming and ripping into Holker Street especially when you haven't had the cashflow that a lot of those clubs have. I didn't mean to come across like I was shitting on your ground for being tinpot or anything, I'm a big fan of old grounds, I'd have posted that view if it had been any club in the division. As Limerick Mariner says above too, we can hardly talk.This is no way a gripe at SoC or anyone who has brought it up recently, and I'll be first to admit that the current setup for the away end could be a lot better, but it coming to the fore again has put these thoughts back into mind. It is just one thing that sometimes gets on my nerves and a bit of perspective is sometimes needed. When you come to Holker Street you're looking at the perfect example of a club running hand by mouth for nearly fifty years, ticket sales and sponsors being the only income. We have never had the benefit of someone sticking their hand in their pocket for 10-15 years like your typical clubs who have got promoted in recent years. The annual income from the National League was £50k p/a I believe, compare that to the £1.25m we now get. Clubs that have been down and come up have had the benefit of parachute payments if spent wisely and a long lasting fanbase, which we never really had. Therefore it's never been anything but a make do and mend scenario on our ground.
Looking at you Sutton for some backup, ha.
I get what you're saying, but not sure of the relevance to the restricted view in the away end. What I'm saying there is don't have two dividers, so in theory less of an expense. However, I've since been informed that it's at the request of the SAG. But yeah, I do understand that you're probably a bit sick of fans of other clubs coming and ripping into Holker Street especially when you haven't had the cashflow that a lot of those clubs have. I didn't mean to come across like I was shitting on your ground for being tinpot or anything, I'm a big fan of old grounds, I'd have posted that view if it had been any club in the division. As Limerick Mariner says above too, we can hardly talk.
It's interesting that you mention this hand by mouth for year on year and other clubs, as the clubs you talk about that have dropped down to the NL are in a lot of ways the polar opposite of the likes of yourself. Always well ran are Barrow and while you often haven't had the budget to compete you've had sensible ownership and as you say Holker Street is in some ways a reflection of those lack of funds. However when you look at the BELTs that have gone down you'll also see grounds that appear to have had barely nothing spent on them, but not necessarily as a reflection of the bank balance of each club but more one of incompetence. So what the likes of us, Mansfield, Luton, Stockport, Notts County, Wrexham, Chesterfield, Oxford, etc don't know about in terms of how debilitating it is for a club to operate with lower resources at the level below or at this level we more than make up for it by knowing just how debilitating it is to be ran by ownership who aren't fit to run football clubs. There's no point having someone sticking their hand in their pocket if it's not being done so with the correct intentions or with a solid plan.
Is there a prize? I’ll go for 42115 Newport at Mansfield
326 Dale at Prenton
62 Harrogate at Walsall
any idea of Salford at Pool.
Never been Barrow and going up on Saturday where is best to stand? I noticed you can stand down the side or behind the goal next to a fence, i can't sit as those tickets sold out.
Never been Barrow and going up on Saturday where is best to stand? I noticed you can stand down the side or behind the goal next to a fence, i can't sit as those tickets sold out.
Not sure I'd guess around 4-500, the club only announced seating was sold out a few days ago.How many are you likely to bring? Unless it's about 450+, you'll be fine for a view. It's more whether you will stay dry or not...
If you don’t sell out the seating at Barrow for a league game, then you are proper tin pot club.Not sure I'd guess around 4-500, the club only announced seating was sold out a few days ago.
Definitely saw at least 300 deckchairs in the Rink End on ifollow716 Grimsby today after the Grimsby delegation complained to the authorities about not being given the minimum 10%, forced the clubs hand to fix up enough seats to hit the quota.
Programme yesterday had 570 SWA at Harrogate458 staggies at Crawley
222 dons at Dale
1285 hatters at Salford
959 cobblers at the lamex
assuming 600 rovers at Harrogate
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