Stickied League 2 Away Support Thread 2024/25

[jacobncfc]

For what it’s worth, I’d do a reciprocal deal with teams. I think you get pretty much what you like at Vale, so with them and Doncaster I’d do the same here.

I can understand a reluctance to hand over a quarter of the ground to clubs with smaller grounds where we don’t get as many (not their fault obviously, and yes this is only a recent issue..) when we’re not even really getting anything out of it financially.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

It’s all part of Notts County plan to try and rise up the away following table.

As most know, Notts historically have travelled pathetically, but since the beginning of last season they started to finally pull their weight and turning up in respectable, and sometimes impressive numbers after being excited at being back in the big boy league, they even sold out the North Stand at Field Mill last season!!!!!

Unfortunately for them, they happen to be a attractive away day with a large stadium to boot, so the only solution is to limit away teams allocation to lower the seasonal average, I respect the hustle.

Conker is right this apparent move will assist with the all important away following table or more accurately bring us into line with the many clubs with little stadiums not able to accommodate 10,000 in total.

Although we clearly gain there we are going to lose out in the far less important average home attendances table. Thankfully we have a relatively large and growing fanbase so when we restrict numbers to 1900 for visiting fans we will be guaranteed to achieve that magical five figure gate that so many clubs dream of but haven't achieved since the days of flat caps and terraces.

 

[Jimmy Anderson]

There will be more likely to be trouble now through now giving out extra tickets. There's loads of people that have already brought train and coach tickets that will now have to be policed in the town centre as they can't go the game and will be stuck in pubs in Nottingham drinking all afternoon getting pissed up. Also means in the return fixture notts county have shot themselves in the foot as instead of getting 3k away allocation it will be either the same 1900 or 10 percent of 15k capacity so just 1500.

 

[jacobncfc]

There will be more likely to be trouble now through now giving out extra tickets. There's loads of people that have already brought train and coach tickets that will now have to be policed in the town centre as they can't go the game and will be stuck in pubs in Nottingham drinking all afternoon getting pissed up. Also means in the return fixture notts county have shot themselves in the foot as instead of getting 3k away allocation it will be either the same 1900 or 10 percent of 15k capacity so just 1500.

Seems unlikely considering it made general sale haha, they would have to be impressively disorganised.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Blame one of the largest travelling funfairs in Europe being on at the same time.

Anybody who has train tickets but no match day tickets could have a go on the waltzers or dodgems

 

[valefan16]

Barnsley did the same to bolton in the league 1 playoff last season also, limited it to 2,000. Clearly it’s got a certificate for more as we had 3,296 there last month for a Friday night game.

I can see why sides would do it in the playoffs, but also if (as Jacob says) if you’re giving 4,000 out and all of that is swallowed up by police and stewards costs would the club be gaining? presumably like Doncaster this weekend.

I can understand the Play Offs for obvious reasons but with the Police and Steward costs aren't policing costs only applicable to clubs on their land so should be fairly limited especially with the away end at Notts straight onto the public pavement?

If say we took another 1000 you'd have around £18-20k ticket sales plus kiosk sales etc and with Vale not really having any travelling issues for a number of years now with trouble I don't see the policing costs being the issue.

 

[kieran_vale]

For what it’s worth, I’d do a reciprocal deal with teams. I think you get pretty much what you like at Vale, so with them and Doncaster I’d do the same here.

I can understand a reluctance to hand over a quarter of the ground to clubs with smaller grounds where we don’t get as many (not their fault obviously, and yes this is only a recent issue..) when we’re not even really getting anything out of it financially.

It is what it is. I can see the rationale as am sure there’s logistical things to consider with the bigger away followings and also not wanting to give up the home advantage too much. Just unfortunate I guess.

For what it’s worth I don’t think there’ll be any reciprocal one limiting allocation from Vale. Not least I’d suggest given the return game is mid-February and who knows if it’s moved for Sky (which if we are both doing well by then is plausible) the full allocation becomes a moot point.

 

[1862]

Yeah it would surely be financially viable at an extra 1000, I suppose it depends what was asked for - if it was an extra 300 then maybe it's a different question.

I really don't want the club making financial decisions because of people moaning about too many away fans on Twitter so hopefully it's not that.

 

[Soz]

As long as we get an asterisk in the away following table to indicate how we have been unduly handicapped then that is all that matters really

 

[Pie and chips]

Notts County sold out - 1,900.

The shithouses have declined our request for more tickets. What an absolute piss take that is. It holds 4k ffs

I feel for you guys its only like us at Chesterfield in a couple of weeks halved our allocation and for everyone else your only going to get a thousand at harrogate and 450-490 at Bromley and we use to get 800-1000 tickets for there

 

[GTFCfish]

It’s all part of Notts County plan to try and rise up the away following table.

As most know, Notts historically have travelled pathetically, but since the beginning of last season they started to finally pull their weight and turning up in respectable, and sometimes impressive numbers after being excited at being back in the big boy league, they even sold out the North Stand at Field Mill last season!!!!!

Unfortunately for them, they happen to be an attractive away day with a large stadium to boot, so the only solution is to limit away teams allocation to lower the seasonal average, I respect the hustle.

Yeah they brought more than their usual 500 to Blundell Park last season too so fair play.

 

[Brom Boy]

Blame one of the largest travelling funfairs in Europe being on at the same time.

Anybody who has train tickets but no match day tickets could have a go on the waltzers or dodgems

MK mocking Wimbledons (or indeed anyones) away following excellent stuff

420 MK Dons at Bromley

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Yeah they brought more than their usual 500 to Blundell Park last season too so fair play.

I believe it was more than double that figure. May even have been a sell out.

 

[TheEndIsNigh]

Came on for some Vale~Notts BEEF. Suprised instead to see the 3 stand boys still hanging around, what’s up lads, no friends in the big league?

We’re generally pretty well run so hopefully we’ve done the correct sums and worked out it’s not worth giving Vale any more tickets from a financial pov. If a Vale fan hasn’t managed to get a ticket with a near 2,000 allocation I would question their commitment to it. Did they go on general sale?

Our record in home games with a big away following is piss poor so that’s probably entered our thinking as well. I know we’ve got a game tomorrow but I can’t really see that changing on Saturday.

 

[Conker]

Came on for some Vale~Notts BEEF. Suprised instead to see the 3 stand boys still hanging around, what’s up lads, no friends in the big league?

We’re generally pretty well run so hopefully we’ve done the correct sums and worked out it’s not worth giving Vale any more tickets from a financial pov. If a Vale fan hasn’t managed to get a ticket with a near 2,000 allocation I would question their commitment to it. Did they go on general sale?

Our record in home games with a big away following is piss poor so that’s probably entered our thinking as well. I know we’ve got a game tomorrow but I can’t really see that changing on Saturday.

I’m all for a tic for tac but I need a better dance partner than that.

Yeah it’s a bit boring in the big league, topping the willy waving thread at 2,600 and nobody, I mean nobody is slagging us off.

 

[AdamStag]

Came on for some Vale~Notts BEEF. Suprised instead to see the 3 stand boys still hanging around, what’s up lads, no friends in the big league?

We’re generally pretty well run so hopefully we’ve done the correct sums and worked out it’s not worth giving Vale any more tickets from a financial pov. If a Vale fan hasn’t managed to get a ticket with a near 2,000 allocation I would question their commitment to it. Did they go on general sale?

Our record in home games with a big away following is piss poor so that’s probably entered our thinking as well. I know we’ve got a game tomorrow but I can’t really see that changing on Saturday.

I’ll have you how it’s soon to be 4 stand boys (whenever it gets done), thank you very much!

As for being here - well you know, 3 wins in a row, in the playoffs, just like being in league 2!

As for the away allocation, where’s the 1900/2000 figure come from out of interest?

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I’m all for a tic for tac but I need a better dance partner than that.

Yeah it’s a bit boring in the big league, topping the willy waving thread at 2,600 and nobody, I mean nobody is slagging us off.

Talking of dance partners your buddy ran off when I asked him for an explanation. I wasn't surprised.

I know Stags fans are very used to all things L2 but now they are in L1 and doing well you do have to wonder why so many posts in this forum this season?

 

[jacobncfc]

As for the away allocation, where’s the 1900/2000 figure come from out of interest?

It’s half the stand - even though it’s one stand, because it was designed to be split if needed, we can close off half of it for up to 1,900 or whatever that figure is (changes each year while they fiddle about with the safety certificate). We haven’t tended to give out allocations slightly above that for the last few years, which I’d guess is because it takes a significant number on top to make it financially worthwhile to open up the other half of the stand and pay for stewards, power, staff, food and all of that stuff.

So what’s probably happened is that Vale have asked for an extra 300 or something and we’ve said ‘no, but you can have an extra 1,000 if you pay for them in advance’. It’s very boring, but it seems you either get 1,900 or 3,000+ at Notts these days, but we won’t bother with anything in the middle of those.

 

[valefan16]

Came on for some Vale~Notts BEEF. Suprised instead to see the 3 stand boys still hanging around, what’s up lads, no friends in the big league?

We’re generally pretty well run so hopefully we’ve done the correct sums and worked out it’s not worth giving Vale any more tickets from a financial pov. If a Vale fan hasn’t managed to get a ticket with a near 2,000 allocation I would question their commitment to it. Did they go on general sale?

Our record in home games with a big away following is piss poor so that’s probably entered our thinking as well. I know we’ve got a game tomorrow but I can’t really see that changing on Saturday.

They went on general sale Saturday Morning and were gone by the afternoon.

If Notts had been really clever they could have actually saved money by letting us have a bigger away following on floodlight bills with the winter coming in for this one. All those Vale fans in our electric lime and pink away tops would have bathed the pitch in light.

 

[AdamStag]

It’s half the stand - even though it’s one stand, because it was designed to be split if needed, we can close off half of it for up to 1,900 or whatever that figure is (changes each year while they fiddle about with the safety certificate). We haven’t tended to give out allocations slightly above that for the last few years, which I’d guess is because it takes a significant number on top to make it financially worthwhile to open up the other half of the stand and pay for stewards, power, staff, food and all of that stuff.

So what’s probably happened is that Vale have asked for an extra 300 or something and we’ve said ‘no, but you can have an extra 1,000 if you pay for them in advance’. It’s very boring, but it seems you either get 1,900 or 3,000+ at Notts these days, but we won’t bother with anything in the middle of those.

That’s a fair point really, i agree that if you wanted the extra amount pay for it upfront and i bet vale have thought, nah.

 

[valefan16]

That’s a fair point really, i agree that if you wanted the extra amount pay for it upfront and i bet vale have thought, nah.

It depends on what the figure was, we probably could of sold 500 more but not sure about more than that. Maybe the Goose Fair played a part?

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I think a lot of fans simply don't factor in additional cost and just say FFS we could have sold another 500. Why wouldn't you give us more etc. It either doesn't make financial sense or it's not worth the hassle. In all likelihood the owners can absorb any lost income.

Good explanation from Jacob.

 

[Agombar stool]

It depends on what the figure was, we probably could of sold 500 more but not sure about more than that. Maybe the Goose Fair played a part?

Definitely worth a gander.

 

[AdamStag]

It depends on what the figure was, we probably could of sold 500 more but not sure about more than that. Maybe the Goose Fair played a part?

Exactly, which we don’t know, might never have been a figure at all, or county know the figure required to make it viable - they’d give the whole stand to us as there’s a 100% chance of a decent day out and a 99.9% chance we’d win

Appreciate i’d be pissed off too if miss out but then assumed more tickets were coming but then didn’t.

 

[kieran_vale]

Exactly, which we don’t know, might never have been a figure at all, or county know the figure required to make it viable - they’d give the whole stand to us as there’s a 100% chance of a decent day out and a 99.9% chance we’d win

Appreciate i’d be pissed off too if miss out but then assumed more tickets were coming but then didn’t.

I think with Mansfield they’d have to do that as the majority of you would have NG postcodes so it’s harder to stop away fans going in the home end if they limited it. Vale have already issued the warning anyone trying that is going to be ejected not that I think many will.

 

[GTFCfish]

Definitely worth a gander.

 

[Son of Cod]

The thing with the Notts allocations is that there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. Police advice, SAG advice, stand isn't safe enough for full allocation, why would we give that many tickets to an away side and give them that advantage, don't make any money as it's swallowed up extra policing and stewards, caused trouble last time you came (we didn't). Seen all these reasons over the last five or so seasons yet Mansfield and Bradford were given the full allocation last season? Seems someone somewhere is picking which clubs get which allocation. Other than the playoff match in 21/22 they've always given us enough but capping Vale at 1900 seems like a dick move.

 

[Agombar stool]

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That tumbleweed gif stinks of 'bastard got there first' type jealousy!

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I think with Mansfield they’d have to do that as the majority of you would have NG postcodes so it’s harder to stop away fans going in the home end if they limited it. Vale have already issued the warning anyone trying that is going to be ejected not that I think many will.

I suspect you are correct regarding postcodes but Mansfield fans in the home end is actually a lot easier to spot than you would think and it's not because they are celebrating another win on their infamous Big Day Out

 

[jacobncfc]

The thing with the Notts allocations is that there seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. Police advice, SAG advice, stand isn't safe enough for full allocation, why would we give that many tickets to an away side and give them that advantage, don't make any money as it's swallowed up extra policing and stewards, caused trouble last time you came (we didn't). Seen all these reasons over the last five or so seasons yet Mansfield and Bradford were given the full allocation last season? Seems someone somewhere is picking which clubs get which allocation. Other than the playoff match in 21/22 they've always given us enough but capping Vale at 1900 seems like a dick move.

Bradford didn’t get the full allocation. You lot, Bradford and Wrexham all got the 2,950 odd, which is what we see as our maximum and is the number we appear to have landed on as ‘giving any more than that loses us all home advantage and is a number that’s more than fair’. We wanted to do the same with Mansfield but were overruled by the police and had to give them the absolute max the stand can safely hold - 3,700 or whatever it was.

I’m pretty sure Vale could have the extra 1,000 if they were confident of selling them, but what we won’t do is just give a couple of hundred more for the reasons mentioned. Exactly the same thing happened with Stockport last season.