Stickied League 2 Away Support Thread 2024/25

[Limerick Mariner]

Exactly not my words.

I didn't say pathetic - I said shite. And that's relatively - relative to our long history. Our average crowd over our entire history is 7,700. Notts' is 9,700. Other examples are Chesterfield - 6,200, Doncaster - 7,200. So Notts and Chesterfield are both achieving average tickets sold above the historic average attendance and Doncaster are about the same. We have a current average attendance about 1,500 below historic. We have fewer away fans at BP, but most importantly we have a shite home ground. When Chesterfield and Donny had shite grounds their attendances were well below what we get now.

Notts' away support used to be pathetic and now it's not - well done!

 

[Son of Cod]

He was critical of your home attendances. Just like you were of Bradfords with your post maybe it's a Grimsby Town thing?

I wasn't critical of Bradford's attendance at all. All I said was that it looked like there were plenty of empty seats on telly.

Exactly not my words.

But still used and applied to describe our home attendance. As Dan P says, hypocrisy at play here given the post you'd just liked.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

Agreed, I think it’s a shit way to do things. Tbf I’m not even sure whether Notts do it or not.

Based upon the Thursday night game v us I would say tickets sold. 10k was reported with 1,450 from us. Looked about 8k.

Bradford yesterday looked about 14k home fans.

Typically about 12% of our STH don't attend. The sub 4k attendance referred to above was an exceptional with about 25% not there - freezing Tuesday night, no away fans and live on TV. Anyone who thinks this won't be the norm with this TV deal is deluded.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I didn't say pathetic - I said shite. And that's relatively - relative to our long history. Our average crowd over our entire history is 7,700. Notts' is 9,700. Other examples are Chesterfield - 6,200, Doncaster - 7,200. So Notts and Chesterfield are both achieving average tickets sold above the historic average attendance and Doncaster are about the same. We have a current average attendance about 1,500 below historic. We have fewer away fans at BP, but most importantly we have a shite home ground. When Chesterfield and Donny had shite grounds their attendances were well below what we get now.

Notts' away support used to be pathetic and now it's not - well done!

Apologise for a slight misquote. It's subjective but I'm going to judge shite and pathetic as basically the same.

That's why I've mentioned the Blundell Park being GTFCs biggest issue for that very reason. Not sure why that ruffles a few mariner feathers, you know better than anyone. Shite ground = shite support, unsurprisingly. Sort that and I could see a big boost in home numbers.

You are right Notts and Chesterfield are probably League 2's shining lights for improved home attendances benefit of good stadiums and a trip to Non League and return#stained

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

I wasn't critical of Bradford's attendance at all. All I said was that it looked like there were plenty of empty seats on telly.

But still used and applied to describe our home attendance. As Dan P says, hypocrisy at play here given the post you'd just liked.

Absolutely loads of empty seats comments sounds like a compliment to me. No idea where ROVERS got that critical impression from.

Agreed hypocrisy if I had said it, but as I was quoting someone else ( a Town fan nonetheless) then sorry that don't wash. That's not how it works sunshine.

 

[Cloudy]

Apologise for a slight misquote. It's subjective but I'm going to judge shite and pathetic as basically the same.

That's why I've mentioned the Blundell Park being GTFCs biggest issue for that very reason. Not sure why that ruffles a few mariner feathers, you know better than anyone. Shite ground = shite support, unsurprisingly. Sort that and I could see a big boost in home numbers.

You are right Notts and Chesterfield are probably League 2's shining lights for improved home attendances benefit of good stadiums and a trip to Non League and return#stained

As a Blundell Park regular since 1965, I certainly wouldn’t describe our home attendances of around 6,000 as shite. In fact I’d say 6000 in Division 4 is pretty bloody good tbh

Any club at this level getting in 6000+ is doing well

 

[GTFCfish]

I wasn't critical of Bradford's attendance at all. All I said was that it looked like there were plenty of empty seats on telly.

But still used and applied to describe our home attendance. As Dan P says, hypocrisy at play here given the post you'd just liked.

Magpie being a hypocrite and chatting shite?
Wash your mouth out with soap you naughty boy.

 

[Conker]

God I miss being a part of this thread, it’s so boring in the L1 thread everyone just accepts we are the top dogs and quietly avoids mentioning or even disputing it.

But at the same time, I think you guys may need a home attendance thread!

 

[Limerick Mariner]

God I miss being a part of this thread, it’s so boring in the L1 thread everyone just accepts we are the top dogs and quietly avoids mentioning or even disputing it.

But at the same time, I think you guys may need a home attendance thread!

Don't you mean home tickets sold thread? A home attendance thread would be just us and Vale fans moaning about how many STH didn't turn up.

 

[Conker]

Don't you mean home tickets sold thread? A home attendance thread would be just us and Vale fans moaning about how many STH didn't turn up.

Do you guys not offer a scheme to release seats if you are not going to attend? I know Lincoln do something where you get some form of voucher to buy other tickets or season tickets something like that.

At Mansfield they ask you to let them know if you cannot attend so they can resell but give no incentive whatsoever, so nobody does it. Luckily we have very few non-attending STH.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

Do you guys not offer a scheme to release seats if you are not going to attend? I know Lincoln do something where you get some form of voucher to buy other tickets or season tickets something like that.

At Mansfield they ask you to let them know if you cannot attend so they can resell but give no incentive whatsoever, so nobody does it. Luckily we have very few non-attending STH.

Yes but it doesn't seem to make any difference - the incentives are very limited. Last home game was a virtual sell out - a few singles and limited view seats left on the morning, but about 700 no shows.

 

[loz]

They've always inflated their crowds lol.

Expect Firthy to come along with his shite explanation but it'll fall on deaf ears.

I am 81 and asthmatic so illness prevented me attending on the day. However, I had a ticket so would expect to be included in the declared attendance(no difference to a rock concert or whatever). There would be others with just as good a reason for not being there but even though other clubs follow the same guideline, we still get the snipe from jealous morons.

 

[Son of Cod]

Absolutely loads of empty seats comments sounds like a compliment to me. No idea where ROVERS got that critical impression from.

Agreed hypocrisy if I had said it, but as I was quoting someone else ( a Town fan nonetheless) then sorry that don't wash. That's not how it works sunshine.

There were loads of empty seats though, that's not up for debate. Hence no Bradford fans disagreeing.

And I quote...

"Regardless of the method adopted in the words of Limerick Mariner Grimsby's home support is pathetic."

...he used the word pathetic to describe your away support. So by you using that as an example here you're the one saying our home support is pathetic. If you've misquoted him though, as it looks like you've just admitted to, it's hardly my fault for not understanding what your clumsily written gibberish means, is it?

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

As a Blundell Park regular since 1965, I certainly wouldn’t describe our home attendances of around 6,000 as shite. In fact I’d say 6000 in Division 4 is pretty bloody good tbh

Any club at this level getting in 6000+ is doing well

Neither would I, but Limerick says otherwise. It's a game of opinions.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

There were loads of empty seats though, that's not up for debate. Hence no Bradford fans disagreeing.

And I quote...

"Regardless of the method adopted in the words of Limerick Mariner Grimsby's home support is pathetic."

...he used the word pathetic to describe your away support. So by you using that as an example here you're the one saying our home support is pathetic. If you've misquoted him though, as it looks like you've just admitted to, it's hardly my fault for not understanding what your clumsily written gibberish means, is it?

Ermmm no. What bizarre methodology to apply.

Once again "pathetic", or more accurately "shite" were not my words (such a huge difference between the two I'm not at all surprised you got confused) they were his. I said disappointing. You can use that if you want to continue getting your knickers in a twist plus it's at least accurate then.

Now "shite ground" that one I do own and more than happy to discuss.

 

[Limerick Mariner]

Neither would I, but Limerick says otherwise. It's a game of opinions.

As I said above it's relative. Attendances everywhere fell in 1970's and more dramatically in the 80s. We were very badly affected - double whammy of the local economy affected by fishing fleet disappearing and a bad hoolie problem. Our current attendances are good compared to the mid 80s. But nationally they've grown much faster, most clubs are seeing crowds back to the levels of the late 50s. On that basis ours are shite.

 

[Meadow]

Our attendance is based on tickets sold rather than bums on seats. We offer a generous pro rata payment of 70% of ST cost but only for matches likely to sell out. I got a reasonable amount for my MK seat and it sold in 24 hours.

Unfortunately the empty seats for "sold out" matches are often kids where the return is tiny.

 

[Son of Cod]

Ermmm no. What bizarre methodology to apply.

Once again "pathetic", or more accurately "shite" were not my words (such a huge difference between the two I'm not at all surprised you got confused) they were his. I said disappointing. You can use that if you want to continue getting your knickers in a twist plus it's at least accurate then.

Now "shite ground" that one I do own and more than happy to discuss.

I give up. You're not going to understand.

 

[ROVERS⚽️]

Yep, it is difficult to get attendances higher than your maximum capacity, no arguments from me there.


I wasn’t necessarily being critical, I was just using Donny and MK as examples of clubs who report larger attendances than actual bums on seats which traditionally you both have done. Worth noting that we're sat 12th in the home attendance table because of this kind of reporting. Like I've said before, in reality, you can bump us and Vale up a couple of positions in that table. And yep we've had some shockers of attendances over recent weeks, which I'm sure is the case for many sides in the division, but they just went unreported. I personally don't get why clubs started doing it on tickets sold rather than actual turnstile clicks as that's what it has traditionally been ever since attendances were recorded.

Well after pointing out Bradford had a fair few empty seats, then highlighting not as much Doncaster and MK that kind of came across as just a little critical!.

It is a guessing game when trying to guess exact crowd figures in a big stadium especially. My point was we don’t know which clubs actually go with bums on seats or tickets sold, it appears Grimsby and Vale are examples who go with bums on seats. I do agree that would be the better method and you would be higher ranked in the attendance table, assuming most clubs do in-fact go with tickets sold, which is the assumption. Grimsby have fantastic away support especially in comparison with home support numbers, I was just pointing out it’s not just Doncaster whom have those empty seats, as you conceded with some of your own home attendance figures this season. I agree, it would be much more accurate if we could all go with the same method when counting attendance figures, unfortunately that doesn’t appear to be the case.

 

[ROVERS⚽️]

Yes, more that 50% empty seats, and visibly so.

Grimsby being 12th in the average attendance table is correct. In truth we are a mid table team and a mid table club. Small Town, population of circa 90k. Add Cleethorpes and combined it would be around 120k.

Having seen some EFL report some time ago, most clubs now announce tickets sold, not the numbers in attendance. No idea what the benefit of doing so is, but there you go. Think there are at least 2 exceptions, Port Vale being one.

Doncaster must have a population of over 300k and Bradford north of 500k? No surprise really that they have bigger attendances than those from smaller Towns

By no means am I suggesting your home following is much lower than ours, it’s roughly the same give or take. As a Doncaster fan I am in no position to flex about attendances. With the earlier mention of empty seats, playing in a bigger stadium at league two level can be a disadvantage for clubs our size at times. 6k home fans has a very different impact in your compact ground, compared to ours. The metropolitan borough of Doncaster is 300k, the sad reality is most of the places on the outskirts have no interest in Doncaster Rovers, otherwise we’d have the catchment area to be a real force. In the championship we got between 10,000 and 12,000 averages in our non relegation seasons, baring in mind away followings were nearing 1200/1500 as an average 15 years ago at Doncaster.

 

[FiRTHYY]

Bradford yesterday looked about 14k home fans.

Not wishing to continue this, but apparently 9,000 empty seats in the home end is laughable!

 

[Alfie]

But at the same time, I think you guys may need a home attendance thread!

Partly agree but two threads would be one too many. Change thread title to "League Two attendances".
As it is home attendances are being discussed BIG time on this thread and I add those numbers to my end of week stats.

 

[ROVERS⚽️]

Not wishing to continue this, but apparently 9,000 empty seats in the home end is laughable!

You tell em FiRTHYY!

 

[Don Caster]

Sold out 2350 for Hull next Sunday & will not be receiving any more despite the take up in Hull not being great & only 3 sides of the ground are open, we could shift a fair few more I would have thought.

 

[Cloudy]

Not wishing to continue this, but apparently 9,000 empty seats in the home end is laughable!

About 16,000 in total would seem about right. The big stand where the dugouts are was quite sparse in the upper area’s which was obvious when looking directly at it.

Anyway you deserved your 3 points without a shadow of doubt. Should avenge the result at BP and being knocked out the League cup earlier in the season!!

 

[Crewelad87]

Not seen a figure for Bromley at Crewe yesterday. Looked around 150 at a guess.

 

[FiRTHYY]

About 16,000 in total would seem about right. The big stand where the dugouts are was quite sparse in the upper area’s which was obvious when looking directly at it.

Anyway you deserved your 3 points without a shadow of doubt. Should avenge the result at BP and being knocked out the League cup earlier in the season!!

Fella, I’ve held a season ticket for 24 years straight.

I know what 14k vs 16k home fans looks like.

We’ll agree to disagree.

 

[Dan Phillips]

What a load of waffle.

The clue is in the word - ATTENDance.

If you didn't attend, you can't be included in the number that are actually present, FACT.

 

[FiRTHYY]

What a load of waffle.

The clue is in the word - ATTENDance.

If you didn't attend, you can't be included in the number that are actually present, FACT.

Just as well, Dan, as some of yours down the years will have dropped into the 2’s.

 

[Dan Phillips]

Just as well, Dan, as some of yours down the years will have dropped into the 2’s.

That makes absolutely no sense.