London Murder rate overtakes New York For The first time

[Benito]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-time-including-11-killings-just-16-days.html


Is this any suprise in Khans London ?

with rampant moped robberys everyday with the Police powerless to or unwilling to do anything about it, and now a murde rate that eclipses New York. Just another step in our fantastic cultural enrichment.

 

[mistermagic]

I think Brexit is more to blame.

 

[Benji]

If murders are increasing because of Sadiq Khan, then the people need to be armed with Sadiq Khans to protect themselves.

 

[Abertawe]

If murders are increasing because of Sadiq Khan, then the people need to be armed with Sadiq Khans to protect themselves.

well at least they'll be easy to conceal

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Two shootings and a stabbing overnight with one 17 year old dead, a 16 and a 15 year old critical in hospital. All separate incidents.

 

[markwwfc1992]

I think Brexit is more to blame.

I washed my jeans the other day and left a £20 in the back pocket. I blame brexit for that too.

 

[Abertawe]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-time-including-11-killings-just-16-days.html


Is this any suprise in Khans London ?

with rampant moped robberys everyday with the Police powerless to or unwilling to do anything about it, and now a murde rate that eclipses New York. Just another step in our fantastic cultural enrichment.

khan whilst being a snakey little runt has been in the job for two minutes - there is a gyal i know who was home secretary for years and been pm for coming up two years. Coincidentally crime across the country has risen during that time span - but yeah blame the paki instead benny

 

[Benji]

It's poor practice to use such a narrow timeframe when considering rates of events. But I think the people reporting this are well aware that 16 days is too short a period to draw any sound conclusions.

It's also it prays on the false belief of old people that New York is unsafe. It's not the 80s anymore grandpa and New York is one of America's safest cities.

This story collapses at the slightest breath of critical thinking. It's a stupid piece of journalism for stupid people.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Two shootings and a stabbing overnight with one 17 year old dead, a 16 and a 15 year old critical in hospital. All separate incidents.

The 16 year old in question has now also died unfortunately.

 

[Red]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-time-including-11-killings-just-16-days.html


Is this any suprise in Khans London ?

with rampant moped robberys everyday with the Police powerless to or unwilling to do anything about it, and now a murde rate that eclipses New York. Just another step in our fantastic cultural enrichment.

Does it mention anything about cuts to frontline policing in your litttle Daily Fail comic?

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Does it mention anything about cuts to frontline policing in your litttle Daily Fail comic?

The Met's governance, like council tax and business rates, are devolved to London. The Met's day to day policing budget is controlled by the London Mayor's office. The Mayor's office website reports it's assigned 110m more to The Met in it's most recent budget compared to the last, funded by increases to London council tax and business rates. Current stats show a little over 31k officers are recruited, just slightly down on the Mayor's stated target of 32k. As you might expect, The Met have by far the largest officers/civilian ratio of anywhere in the country.

Whilst the Mayor's office does still have to work within the confines set by central Government (and Sadiq Khan calls for further devolved powers all the time) I don't think the issue is as simple as blaming cuts and throwing money at it.

Another 3 stabbings, 2 fatal, today. Taking the number of fatalities in London in 2018 to over 50.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43649193

From a radio interview I just heard, Tottenham MP David Lammy is calling for central Government to do more and wants better leadership on the issue, without being very specific on what needs to happen. He wants to avoid the issue becoming a political football, but blames Government all the same.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

I don't think things such as council tax and business rates are really any more devolved in London than they are in the rest of the country. The main difference is that you have the Greater London Authority as a precepting authority so some of the revenue the local authorities collect in council tax will go to the GLA. Consisting as it does of the Mayor and the Assembly, the GLA is a fairly unique body, but it's not really a radical departure from what happens in the rest of the country (eg where I live Guildford Borough Council are the collecting authority, but much of the revenue will go to the precepting authority, Surrey County Council, to meet their spending plans). Whilst, the Mayor does have some responsibility for policing, I think it's fair to say his powers are fairly limited in scope. And, as the majority of the Met's funding does still come from central government, it seems legitimate to question what role cuts might have played in precipitating an increase in violent crime. I wonder if the more significant cuts are at a more local level though. As in the rest of the country, London councils will have been feeling the squeeze as a result of central government cuts, and no doubt a lot of vital youth services and outreach programmes have disappeared in the process. I think you're right to urge caution - it's likely a complex picture with no simple solution - but the political context is worth exploring.

I think also that while this spate of violence is obviously very concerning, it's probably worth noting a few other things too, lest they be forgotten amongst the lurid headlines. 1) the number of homicides reported in London has tended to ebb and flow a bit, so these figures aren't completely aberrant (eg there were 204 murders in 2003) 2) London isn't particularly crime-ridden; murder rates as a proportion of population are higher elsewhere in the UK 3) violent crime has reportedly risen by 20% across England and Wales so this isn't a specifically London problem (although there may, of course, be specific factors at play in the capital).

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Re Lammy - I think he seemed to be frustrated by the lack of response from central government. In fairness to him, there does seem to have been a bit of a deafening silence on that front...

 

[Red]

I understand it's not just about funding

If murders are increasing because of Sadiq Khan, then the people need to be armed with Sadiq Khans to protect themselves.

Do you know any websites where I can buy my own Sadiq? I don't live in London but you Kahn(t) be too careful.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

He promised to do everything in his power to lower stop and search rates as mayor, congratulated himself for doing so, yet is now bragging about giving the police more stop and search powers in the wake of all these people being shot and stabbed. It's almost as if the two might have been connected in the first place.