Man City CEO calls for B teams to be allowed into the EFL

[shoddycollins]

I don't think they really know tbh ...or probably care!

Premier league clubs won't want to give that much away as they "need" it for their latest multi million pound signing and new contract.

And I do feel people lump football clubs together as if they all get multi million deals and have players on 100k a week plus.

Some cannot just separate the Premier league to the rest of the football pyramid.

Then fans of these clubs go "well why should we bail out small lower league clubs because we don't care about them"

Well yeah I've heard that exact argument from people who know nothing about football and assume that the players at Carlisle are all millionaires.

 

[shoddycollins]

And it seems sadly a deal between EFL and the Premier league isn't that close.

MPs 'losing patience' with Premier League and EFL over coronavirus rescue package agreement

The Government announced a sports rescue package on Thursday but the mens professional game did not feature; MP Julian Knight: Football and its followers deserve better. The current fiasco in reaching an agreement isnt about the lack of money, but lack of leadership

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The problem is, every deal with the Premier League results in them taking something in return, but now there is nothing left to take.

 

[BarraMatt]

Supposedly five major English clubs have signed up to the European Super League which could have a drastic affect on the English league pyramid should it happen.

The five clubs in question are Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Bolton Wanderers.

 

[Robshep]

Let the clubs who want to join this super league go. 25 years of winning bugger all will hopefully destroy them. If they come crawling back make them start at tier 10.

 

[Indian Dan]

Let the clubs who want to join this super league go. 25 years of winning bugger all will hopefully destroy them. If they come crawling back make them start at tier 10.

Yay! They’ll be with us!

 

[Gladders]

Supposedly five major English clubs have signed up to the European Super League which could have a drastic affect on the English league pyramid should it happen.

The five clubs in question are Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Bolton Wanderers.

As a Grimsby fan I fully support his providing it happens starting next season

No surprise the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have signed up considering they are not good enough for the top 4 anymore

 

[valefan16]

To be fair Bolton wanted a closed shop Prem so can’t moan about this.

 

[shoddycollins]

Seems like UEFA and FIFA are taking a pretty tough stance on this. It's been reported that any players who feature in this breakaway league would be barred from playing for their international teams. The problem the likes of UEFA and the Premier League acting so horrified by this given their roles in creating this situation where the big clubs are too big.

 

[Gladders]

Seems like UEFA and FIFA are taking a pretty tough stance on this. It's been reported that any players who feature in this breakaway league would be barred from playing for their international teams. The problem the likes of UEFA and the Premier League acting so horrified by this given their roles in creating this situation where the big clubs are too big.

The players won't care when they will ge paid a fortune to play in it.

Apparently initial 5 billion investment already in it from JP Morgan, and am sure the likes of sky etc. While initially calling it a bad idea will soon jump all over it if it goes ahead

 

[AdamStag]

The problem being is will the FA want to bar players from playing for england for instance, those clubs have most of the players...

 

[RLC]

The problem being is will the FA want to bar players from playing for england for instance, those clubs have most of the players...

It probably would not matter if they did, as the same would apply to the Spanish, Germans, Italians, Brazilians and Argentines that play for those clubs.

Personally, I would be prepared to sacrifice international competition if the lower divisions became more sustainable again.

 

[shoddycollins]

The players won't care when they will ge paid a fortune to play in it.

Apparently initial 5 billion investment already in it from JP Morgan, and am sure the likes of sky etc. While initially calling it a bad idea will soon jump all over it if it goes ahead

The authorities will probably cave anyway, as for whether it will be a huge financial success, it depends on the fans of the clubs involved. Football is what it is because of the fans and even though the big clubs are able to rake in billions with no need for fans, in the long terms if there are no fans then the overall appeal and ability of clubs to keep making money will dwindle. It will probably make the people who invest in it hugely rich in the short term and then nothing.

They may make their money by signing deals to televise football and sell merchandise in China and other emerging markets but the consumers in those countries aren't mugs, the whole appeal of European football to them is things like Liverpool fans singing You'll Never Walk Alone or Barcelona fans singing the Barcelona Hymn, take the traditions away and you take the appeal away.

German fans have already said nein to this, and with the ownership system over there if the fans aren't on board then the clubs aren't on board, no reason to think English or Spanish fans would be any different and ManU fans have shown in the past that if the disconnect between the club and the fans becomes too great then they're not above just walking away and founding a new club.

 

[shoddycollins]

The problem being is will the FA want to bar players from playing for england for instance, those clubs have most of the players...

It wouldn't be the FA's call, it would be FIFA's

 

[RLC]

The biggest joke is the notion that a club like Spurs, who have won bugger all domestically for about six decades, are now one of Europe's elite because they have built a new stadium and have a lot of 'fans' in the Far East.

If it was genuinely a competition for the most decorated European sides, clubs like Ajax and Benfica would be ahead of several of those that have signed up to the deal.

 

[Gladders]

The authorities will probably cave anyway, as for whether it will be a huge financial success, it depends on the fans of the clubs involved. Football is what it is because of the fans and even though the big clubs are able to rake in billions with no need for fans, in the long terms if there are no fans then the overall appeal and ability of clubs to keep making money will dwindle. It will probably make the people who invest in it hugely rich in the short term and then nothing.

They may make their money by signing deals to televise football and sell merchandise in China and other emerging markets but the consumers in those countries aren't mugs, the whole appeal of European football to them is things like Liverpool fans singing You'll Never Walk Alone or Barcelona fans singing the Barcelona Hymn, take the traditions away and you take the appeal away.

German fans have already said nein to this, and with the ownership system over there if the fans aren't on board then the clubs aren't on board, no reason to think English or Spanish fans would be any different and ManU fans have shown in the past that if the disconnect between the club and the fans becomes too great then they're not above just walking away and founding a new club.

Overseas fans don't watch the PL because the fans sing you'll never walk alone, they watch them because they are some of the best clubs in the world. That's unlikely to change with a breakaway league if the players follow the money as they usually do

 

[masi51]

Supposedly five major English clubs have signed up to the European Super League which could have a drastic affect on the English league pyramid should it happen.

The five clubs in question are Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Bolton Wanderers.

very good even made me chuckle

 

[Back in the DHSS]

Everton fans are furious. Ironic really as they were one of the 6 clubs which led the premier leagues breakaway from the football league.

 

[Robshep]

Everton fans are furious. Ironic really as they were one of the 6 clubs which led the premier leagues breakaway from the football league.

Its amusing to see Gary Neville being touted as a saviour of English football and raging against how money is ruining the game. Who owns 10% of Salford City again. A club who have got where they are because of money. Hmm, is that hypocrisy.

 

[Laker]

I’m all for it. Those six can do one as far as I’m concerned, the rest of the premier league is reasonably evenly matched so it’d make for a much more unpredictable league with less money driving success. The gap between the Championship and Premier League would drop as there’d be less money in the top flight which would also be good.

Only negatives would be the effect on cup competitions and England as far as I can see. And I could cope with them being harmed if it meant those six fucking off.

And as someone has already said, the notion of Spurs being a top European club is somewhat laughable.

 

[denzel ecfc]

The irony of GNev moaning about money ruining the traditions of football...

 

[Chris FGR]

Any club breaking away should do it on the understanding that if they ever want to come back, they will need to start again at the bottom.

What's the point in a closed shop 12 team league, sounds like utter shit.

 

[Kenneth E End]

I’m all for it. Those six can do one as far as I’m concerned, the rest of the premier league is reasonably evenly matched so it’d make for a much more unpredictable league with less money driving success. The gap between the Championship and Premier League would drop as there’d be less money in the top flight which would also be good.

Onky negative would be the effect on cup competitions and England as far as I can see. And I could cope with them being harmed if it meant those six fucking off.

And as someone has already said, the notion of Spurs being a top European club is somewhat laughable.

Initially I would've agreed with this, but at the end of the day, these clubs have proud histories and proud supporter bases. Yes, they have plenty of hangers on but have fans as committed as the rest of us. I don't want to see tradition and history be destroyed. A Liverpool fan has as much right to maintain their domestic traditions as the rest of us. They will be as against it as we are.

However, the likes of Neville can shout from the rooftops as much as they like, as someone comes up with a concrete proposal to fundamentally change the financial tilt in football, it is not going to change. In the 12 months this has been rumbling in, nothing has changed at all. The other 14 clubs in the PL have to understand that they too need to give up their £100m a season nest egg and £40m annual parachute payments and share some with the rest of us... fat chance of that happening. Sky and these clubs are just as bad as the parasites that have chosen to go in this direction.

A number of clubs at 9:31pm will get calls from their bank managers tonight explaining how they are going to pay back their massive debts now the TV deal is at risk of being significantly reduced.

 

[PuB]

If they want to go on their merry way then let them fuck right off. The idea seems to be completely designed for the (very limited) American market. By largely foreign owners chasing cash who have extremely limited knowledge of the history or societal importance those clubs have to those areas.

It’ll happen sooner or later, but when those clubs come crawling back (which they will) make them start at the very bottom (if they even still exist).

No one is going to watch that shit.

 

[Super_horns]

All about greed and self interests.

The fans , players and domestic leagues won’t stand for it.

 

[valefan16]

If they want to go then go BUT a hard line approach is needed.

No players to play for international sides.
No involvement in domestic or international club competitions.
Any clubs wanting to return to the pyramid go through the same process that Bury or Chester for example would and start well below the EFL. You don’t boot league two clubs out the league to let them back in or clubs out the premier league.

Neville as much as some hypocrisy there is right, United and Liverpool should know better, huge histories, working class clubs it’s a disgrace and hopefully shows them for what they now are.

What I will say is this... when I’m asked why Port Vale (im born and bread from Leicestershire) by pot hunters, how do I watch “shit football” week in week out? Etc etc

I do... but boy it’s proper football, proper fans, proper loyalty, no VAR, none of this over paid crap. I can watch my boys, i can meet and chat to players in the street or message the chairwoman and get a reply.

I can come on here with like minded fans suffering mostly or enjoying the rare glories, despair at just trying to survive, none of these Arsenal fans moaning they are the most suffering fans in the world because they finish
4th every year and win an FA cup one every two.

Would I swap it for the overpaid shit the top level has become fuelled by greed? Nah.

 

[Laker]

Just announced details on MOTD.

Midweek format.

12 founder clubs being Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Atletico Madrid, Juventus, AC Milan and Inter Milan to be joined by 3 more founders to take them to 15. Then five spots open for other clubs to qualify each season.

Then each season there’ll be two leagues of 10 teams where they play each other home and away. Top three sides from each league go directly into knockout stage. 4th and 5th in each league go into home and away play offs, winners go into knockout stage too. Then home and away format knockout thereafter.

So that makes 18 games per season for the 15 “elite”, then up to nine more in play offs/knockouts.

The ESL statement said they now intend to work with UEFA and FIFA to bring this in.

 

[valefan16]

Long and short is the proposal is a closed shop Champions League (5 additional spots ) same 15 every season plus 5 how boring.

Not to mention the unfair advantage the teams will get domestically from the huge financial gain. More power to the big clubs.

How can Arsenal that could feasibly finish 10th be considered worthy of qualifying every season for it? Absolute dog.

Kick them out domestic leagues and have some bollocks and punish them regardless.

 

[Robshep]

At least we are now the 2nd biggest football club in Merseyside after Everton, since Liverpool are now just a business that plays football for money.

 

[Robshep]

Liverpool fans seem to love it or think its the end of football so obviously we will all stop supporting our clubs now because them and the other 5 greedy money grabbers want their own league. They are so far out of touch with real football anyway that its for the best if they do leave, either by choice or forced out.

 

[Super_horns]

Arsenal and Spurs will love being bottom each season won’t they .

Probably soon try to come running back when they find fans walk away but then it’s not for the match going support is it ?

All to get the eye of the armchair support across the world only interested in the “best” who will pay anything to watch.