Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[dedwardp]

For the first time Steve Ball hasn't come out for his post-match interview tonight, sending Hayden Mullins instead. Mullins says that Ball is "talking with players and staff", so quite possibly on his way.

 

[The Terminator]

Steve Ball sacked by Colchester after the game last night.

Wonder if Robbie Cowling will bring McGreal back?

 

[denzel ecfc]

Losing to us is clearly the last straw...
To be fair they seemed to have improved since November.

 

[valefan16]

Tough gig Colchester, lost a lot of players. They were awful xG wise and the results have finally caught up with that it seems, I mean we battered them for long periods and they got a point but could see defensively they were as bad as us.

Good club though, hope they sort themselves out as long as not at our expense.

 

[dedwardp]

Maintained the string of internal appointments with Wayne Brown. Should have gone with him in the summer to be honest.

 

[The Terminator]

Maintained the string of internal appointments with Wayne Brown. Should have gone with him in the summer to be honest.

Isn’t he the Maldon & Tiptree manager?!

 

[DarkSithLord]

Isn’t he the Maldon & Tiptree manager?!

yes

 

[dedwardp]

Isn’t he the Maldon & Tiptree manager?!

Yes, but he is employed by Colchester United. He was offered the job a few season ago after a caretaker stint and turned it down at the time, citing that he felt he wasn't yet ready for it. So he stepped back into the U23s role.

We then decided that it would be better for our young players and coaches to experience more men's football rather than development squad football, so we placed him at Maldon & Tiptree and have since sent a larger volume of our U23s on loan there too.

They're effectively our feeder club. Our owner has some sort of involvement with them, although I couldn't tell you the technicalities of it. Another example is this one - last summer it said he had signed for us on an U23s deal, but he's been playing for Maldon ever since etc.

 

[Casey]

I'm hearing there might be a problem with Brown at Colchester.

Rumours of previous behaviour not considered conducive to modern sensibilities.

Is there anything to this?

Casey

 

[Hooped Wizard]

I'm hearing there might be a problem with Brown at Colchester.

Rumours of previous behaviour not considered conducive to modern sensibilities.

Is there anything to this?

Casey

It’s a bit further than that, he voted BNP in 2010. That was never deemed acceptable nothing to do with modern sensibilities.

 

[The Terminator]

7 Games without a win for Ross Embleton now at Orient - Only 2 goals scored in that period to go with some rather boring performances. 90% of the fanbase now want him gone.

I was going to wait until to see how we performed on Tuesday at Grimsby before joining the Embleton Out camp - But after our display against Tranmere this afternoon I'm joining it now.

Its a matter of "when" he is sacked now and not "if" because I cannot see him turning it around.

He's been well backed by our owners as well with the signings of Adam Thompson, Nick Freeman and Dan Kemp - All of whom have been playing higher in League One in the last 12 months.

 

[The Terminator]

Well that escalated quickly as I was typing that out - Ross Embleton has been sacked.

 

[Stagat]

Well that escalated quickly as I was typing that out - Ross Embleton has been sacked.

Username checks out

 

[The Terminator]

We're expected to name an interim manager tomorrow - My guess would be it will be Danny Senda, the club will assess how he does and if he does well he will get the job pernamently.

 

[The Terminator]

This could be nonsense, but I've heard that it will be ex Barnet boss Darren Currie until the end of the season - Not concrete information though.

 

[BarraMatt]

This could be nonsense, but I've heard that it will be ex Barnet boss Darren Currie until the end of the season - Not concrete information though.

Good manager - at accumulating games in hand.

 

[Luke Imp]

This is a corker from the Orient forum on the Cowley's. Where do these people come from?

"There is no way on earth we can afford these two.
Not totally convinced it’s a gamble worth taking.
Yes they did alright with Lincoln.
They had one of the largest fan base and budgets in the Conference and in L2.
In L1 they struggled and when they left they were in the bottom two.
Like most managers they don’t outperform their budget.
They were out of their depth at Huddlesfield and that was no surprise."

1) Correct, probably can't afford them.
2) If the Cowley's are seen as a gamble then you'll end up never appointing anyone.
3) '...did alright' is a bit of an understatement.
4) We were mid-table in terms of budgets and attendances at the start of the NL season, it wasn't until the money spinning January/March FA Cup ties that we increased the budget
5) We were in the L1 PO's when the left us, not bottom two
6) They've outperformed their budget everywhere they've been bar Huddersfield but they'd just dropped out the PL so their wages will have been skewed.
7) They had a mid-table PPG at Huddersfield.

 

[Conker]

They don’t manage Lincoln anymore - it’s not worth the effort.

They do need to get back in football soon though!

 

[E10rifle]

We're expected to name an interim manager tomorrow - My guess would be it will be Danny Senda, the club will assess how he does and if he does well he will get the job pernamently.

Doubt it. I feel like the board are a bit more ambitious than just an internal promotion. Mostly worried that Ling will bring his bestie in as the next cosy jobs for the boys appointment.

 

[FGR Stroud]

This is a corker from the Orient forum on the Cowley's. Where do these people come from?

"There is no way on earth we can afford these two.
Not totally convinced it’s a gamble worth taking.
Yes they did alright with Lincoln.
They had one of the largest fan base and budgets in the Conference and in L2.
In L1 they struggled and when they left they were in the bottom two.
Like most managers they don’t outperform their budget.
They were out of their depth at Huddlesfield and that was no surprise."

1) Correct, probably can't afford them.
2) If the Cowley's are seen as a gamble then you'll end up never appointing anyone.
3) '...did alright' is a bit of an understatement.
4) We were mid-table in terms of budgets and attendances at the start of the NL season, it wasn't until the money spinning January/March FA Cup ties that we increased the budget
5) We were in the L1 PO's when the left us, not bottom two
6) They've outperformed their budget everywhere they've been bar Huddersfield but they'd just dropped out the PL so their wages will have been skewed.
7) They had a mid-table PPG at Huddersfield.

Cowley only suffered one defeat at TNL and that was when manager of Braintree Town.
He was a serial winner.
I checked his CV on Wikipedia and read that Concord Rangers had three promotions while he was manager
While with Braintree he managed them to their highest position is history
Okay we all know how successful Cowley was at Lincoln with two promotions and winners EFL Cup.
So that's 5 promotions in 11 years.
And let's be fair to him that during his time at Lincoln he attracted back thousands of Imp supporters to cheer on their team.

But the BIG question mark over his managerial career is that he and his teams always adopted the dark arts. His teams have not always been the most attractive to watch.
I would never want to swap him with Mark Cooper.
But Cowley would be a good catch for an ambitious mid-table team.

 

[The Terminator]

Jobi McAnuff appointed Interim manager until the end of the season - Good Luck to him, a natural on pitch leader and 39 now.

He has a good squad of talented players to work with.

 

[Boz]

Cowley only suffered one defeat at TNL and that was when manager of Braintree Town.
He was a serial winner.
I checked his CV on Wikipedia and read that Concord Rangers had three promotions while he was manager
While with Braintree he managed them to their highest position is history
Okay we all know how successful Cowley was at Lincoln with two promotions and winners EFL Cup.
So that's 5 promotions in 11 years.
And let's be fair to him that during his time at Lincoln he attracted back thousands of Imp supporters to cheer on their team.

But the BIG question mark over his managerial career is that he and his teams always adopted the dark arts. His teams have not always been the most attractive to watch.
I would never want to swap him with Mark Cooper.
But Cowley would be a good catch for an ambitious mid-table team.

In some ways, better for the Orient hierarchy to nip it in the bud, both by this statement initially and then giving the role to McAnuff, rather than leave the fans to speculate unrealistically. Some of ours did, believing the Cowleys or Paul Cook might rock up at Prenton Park, which made life more difficult for Keith Hill initially. Agree with both Luke Imp and FGR Stroud on their critique of the rest of that statement; only the financial one rings true.

Allowed myself a wry smile at FGR Stroud's remark about the dark arts though. In most of our games v FGR, when they were managed by Pennock and then Cooper, there was a good selection from the dark side on offer from their teams. A spot of pot calling out the kettle here...

 

[FGR Stroud]

Allowed myself a wry smile at FGR Stroud's remark about the dark arts though. In most of our games v FGR, when they were managed by Pennock and then Cooper, there was a good selection from the dark side on offer from their teams. A spot of pot calling out the kettle here...

Pennock has long gone. But agree his teams were aggressive. Seemed like FGR used to have a player sent off every other game.
Cooper does use tactics that he hopes will unbalance the opposition but he is an amateur compared to Danny Cowley teams, which is where we started conversation.

 

[Back in the DHSS]

Vaguely remember a statistic from when the Cowley’s managed Braintree was that the match ball spent more time in touch than on the field of play. The Cowley’s have more than proved their teams can compete and play attractive football though.

 

[Boz]

Vaguely remember a statistic from when the Cowley’s managed Braintree was that the match ball spent more time in touch than on the field of play. The Cowley’s have more than proved their teams can compete and play attractive football though.

Their Braintree team which won 1-2 on the Wirral was one of the best footballing sides to play us during our NL stint. Even Lincoln weren’t too bad aside from the choreographed goalkeeping ‘injury’ every game for a breather/tactical update.

 

[GTFCfish]

He was a serial winner.

So was I, won a box of Corn Flakes at the old folks home Christmas raffle when I was 11.

 

[The Terminator]

Our owner Nigel Travis has said that the board have a list of names they can turn to if results don't improve......................

If Jobi turns our results around this month he will get the gig full time for sure, because Travis is a fan of promoting from within and giving people who've served the club well a chance.

We have a favourable month in terms of fixtures as we're either facing teams near the bottom of the table or teams which are out of form like Newport - The main tricky fixture is away at Exeter on Saturday, which I've already written off as we don't do well at Exeter and they're a better side than us anyway.

As for Ross Embleton, he served the club well over two spells these last 18 months in tragic circumstances - There is no right way I believe to deal with something like a manager passing away, the club as a whole slowly but surely is moving on, but there were times last season when things were clearly very difficult for everyone involved and he managed to steady our ship overall by keeping us out of trouble. Our board lost themselves gambling on Carl Fletcher, they clearly didn't ask enough of the right questions.

However its become clear in the last 2 months he was unable to take us much further, it was the right call to make a change - He was well backed in all the transfer windows as well. One thing he did which annoyed me most, was he was always blaming and arguing with match officials - YES they can make mistakes, but certainly not to the level where he had to argue with them all the time. You get people like Steve Evans who can moan at match officials and itimidate them to get decisions, or you just get Ross Embleton who comes across as having little mans angry syndrome and looking like hes performing in a comedy sketch!

 

[Indian Dan]

Call for the Sheridactyl

 

[Monkey Tennis]

First shouts I've seen for "Beech Out!" - just a couple of weeks ago he was the best manager in the league...

Aren't Carlisle about where they should be in the table, based on the players they have?

 

[shoddycollins]

First shouts I've seen for "Beech Out!" - just a couple of weeks ago he was the best manager in the league...

Aren't Carlisle about where they should be in the table, based on the players they have?

About sums it up.

There were a few on twitter after the Colchester defeat but I think it's still a minority. There's always gonna be some who want the manager sacked after a bad run of form. I think most United fans though still believe that he's earned a lot of patience and that it isn't really down to him this bad run we're on.

Chris Lumsdon thought we had good players at the start of the season and still does. The argument he makes is that it's not poor management or bad players that caused the start of this slump, it was a lack of match fitness after not playing or training for a month. Could a different manager or different players get us out of it, I don't know, it's not a situation most ever find themselves in, to go from cruising to automatic promotion to bottom half of the table in a month. Feels to me like the only thing keeping us from turning it around is the lack of belief, but maybe Beech has a different take on it.