Managerial Merry-Go-Round 2020/21

[GTFCfish]

double post.

 

[Uncle Pastuzo]

BBC Wales says Hatswell not interested in the permanent job, local paper says he is still taking Flynn's advice by phone. Sounds like a functioning partnership with a club to go to. I see Bristol Rovers have a new training ground right by the M4/M5 junction...

 

[shoddycollins]

I got to 3 and a half minutes of that and couldn’t bear to listen to anymore, the guy is off his fucking rocker.

I gave it a bit longer, once he finishes suggesting he was sent by God to get Bristol Rovers out of the doldrums, he starts talking about Everest, first as an analogy to the fact that he's been to the top of the game as a player; then he points out his lowest finish as a player is higher than rovers highest ever finish and likens himself to a sherpa, then he drops the analogy and suddenly he's talking about how he actually would fancy going up Everest but he has a family and doesn't want to die so he goes up Ben Lomond instead.

Eventually he gets onto the football, but not before saying the word 'doldrums' a few more times, praising the owners for five minutes and then saying how he isn't getting paid, he's working for charity, and the charity is Bristol Rovers. He contradicts his earlier comments about Rovers' modest history by claiming they are the 'big noise' in this division and everyone's cup final and the reason they've lost so many games is because everyone puts in their best performance because everyone wants to beat Bristol Rovers.

He then second guesses Chris Beechs team talk, twice telling us what beech will be saying to his players, probably unaware he is in all probability now going into the team talk 'you can do this lads, look they've got a lunatic for a manager'.

Unfortunately Bristol rovers will probably beat us soundly, making Barton look like some sort of genius and delighting the Barton stans among rovers fan base.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

I gave it a bit longer, once he finishes suggesting he was sent by God to get Bristol Rovers out of the doldrums, he starts talking about Everest, first as an analogy to the fact that he's been to the top of the game as a player; then he points out his lowest finish as a player is higher than rovers highest ever finish and likens himself to a sherpa, then he drops the analogy and suddenly he's talking about how he actually would fancy going up Everest but he has a family and doesn't want to die so he goes up Ben Lomond instead.

Eventually he gets onto the football, but not before saying the word 'doldrums' a few more times, praising the owners for five minutes and then saying how he isn't getting paid, he's working for charity, and the charity is Bristol Rovers. He contradicts his earlier comments about Rovers' modest history by claiming they are the 'big noise' in this division and everyone's cup final and the reason they've lost so many games is because everyone puts in their best performance because everyone wants to beat Bristol Rovers.

He then second guesses Chris Beechs team talk, twice telling us what beech will be saying to his players, probably unaware he is in all probability now going into the team talk 'you can do this lads, look they've got a lunatic for a manager'.

Unfortunately Bristol rovers will probably beat us soundly, making Barton look like some sort of genius and delighting the Barton stans among rovers fan base.

Not that anyone has particularly had to raise their game so far to beat us but you can imagine he does the opposition team talk himself.
I suspect the large majority outside Bristol just want to beat him, than care about Bristol Rovers...I know I did when he was at Fleetwood when he was giving it large on the touchline (think he was sent off twice against us as well!)
You will probably still win, one of our few decent players (Finley) is injured. Anyone that loses to us at the moment should have serious relegation concerns

 

[shoddycollins]

Not that anyone has particularly had to raise their game so far to beat us but you can imagine he does the opposition team talk himself.
I suspect the large majority outside Bristol just want to beat him, than care about Bristol Rovers...I know I did when he was at Fleetwood when he was giving it large on the touchline (think he was sent off twice against us as well!)
You will probably still win, one of our few decent players (Finley) is injured. Anyone that loses to us at the moment should have serious relegation concerns

It would certainly explain teams raising their games if he talks this much nonsense before each game. Seems to be the middling clubs like Bristol Rovers (Oxford and the like), the ones who would be quite at home in League One and don't really have the right history to be expecting Championship competitiveness, who are more likely to believe that they are the 'big noise' that everyone wants to beat. Bolton aside (and that's more Evatt), most of the genuinely big clubs I've seen down here (Bradford, Coventry, Portsmouth) don't make those claims.

I've said this before, but there are no clubs down here who everyone raises their game for (unless like we say, it is more to do with Barton). Most clubs down here have faced bigger opponents in recent history (League One nowadays has some massive clubs in it, we beat the likes of Leeds and Leicester in our time there) and many players have experience playing at a higher level. Nobody's walking into the Mem thinking 'what a stadium! I used to only dream of things like this'

 

[shoddycollins]

This tweet aged well anyway

https://twitter.com/x/status/561995809906892803

He used to be an atheist, now he's an agent of the Lord.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

It would certainly explain teams raising their games if he talks this much nonsense before each game. Seems to be the middling clubs like Bristol Rovers (Oxford and the like), the ones who would be quite at home in League One and don't really have the right history to be expecting Championship competitiveness, who are more likely to believe that they are the 'big noise' that everyone wants to beat. Bolton aside (and that's more Evatt), most of the genuinely big clubs I've seen down here (Bradford, Coventry, Portsmouth) don't make those claims.

I've said this before, but there are no clubs down here who everyone raises their game for (unless like we say, it is more to do with Barton). Most clubs down here have faced bigger opponents in recent history (League One nowadays has some massive clubs in it, we beat the likes of Leeds and Leicester in our time there) and many players have experience playing at a higher level. Nobody's walking into the Mem thinking 'what a stadium! I used to only dream of things like this'

I wouldnt listen to anythng Barton says, we dont.
I dont think you will find many gasheads acting the Billy big-bollocks, especially when we have dipped our toes in the conference fairly recently.
If players want to come here why have we ended up with 3 players who are past it (Pitman, Whelan and Coutts ?
I see no improvement since the start of the season, something you would expect to see if you were in a false position - the bloke should go imo.
That Anderton guy is shocking too, if you have room on the coach you can take him back with you!

 

[shoddycollins]

That Anderton guy is shocking too, if you have room on the coach you can take him back with you!

We were surprised he was offered a new contract with us since losing his place to Jack Armer. He was the club captain and we could still do with cover for Armer and Beech was determined to keep as much of the squad together as possible (we only released one senior player) but nobody was hugely disappointed when he left, we were more just surprised at the manner of it as our club never announced his or any of the other departures, we were just finding out who had rejected contracts with us from other clubs' media accounts.

Funny how our two full-backs from last season have ended up on differing career trajectories at different ends of Bristol. George Tanner is making a big impact at Bristol City.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

We were surprised he was offered a new contract with us since losing his place to Jack Armer. He was the club captain and we could still do with cover for Armer and Beech was determined to keep as much of the squad together as possible (we only released one senior player) but nobody was hugely disappointed when he left, we were more just surprised at the manner of it as our club never announced his or any of the other departures, we were just finding out who had rejected contracts with us from other clubs' media accounts.

Funny how our two full-backs from last season have ended up on differing career trajectories at different ends of Bristol. George Tanner is making a big impact at Bristol City.

It's probably just us, players with decent reputations seem to go to pieces when they come here, such as Max Ehmer and Mark Hughes.
Anderton seems slow and lacking in positional awareness.
Haven't heard much about Tanner but don't tend to take much notice of City players really. Hope he fails as I do with any of their lot!

 

[shoddycollins]

It's probably just us, players with decent reputations seem to go to pieces when they come here, such as Max Ehmer and Mark Hughes.
Anderton seems slow and lacking in positional awareness.
Haven't heard much about Tanner but don't tend to take much notice of City players really. Hope he fails as I do with any of their lot!

He's played every game for them since signing and scored his first goal for them last week. Was clearly destined to play at that level.

Sounds about right for Anderton, well he's definitely slow. Arguably a smart defender but just got overshadowed by the up and coming Jack Armer, and his lack of pace was easily exploited by opponents. We won't exploit it today though, we don't have anyone to do so... that's been our problem, we're trying to play a style of football that worked really well last season despite not having the right qualities in the positions that need those qualities. Chris Beech wanted to keep the squad he assembled last summer and now he seems a bit in denial that the squad has changed and our way of playing has to adapt. I don't think he's lost the plot though like Barton, his job will be on the line if we lose today, he just needs to hurry up and realise things need to change. We'll probably hit a lot of aimless balls into Anderton's quarter of the pitch that he will just head clear every time. Hope Jordan Gibson can play as he offers something in that area.

 

[BRFC_Gas]

He's played every game for them since signing and scored his first goal for them last week. Was clearly destined to play at that level.

Sounds about right for Anderton, well he's definitely slow. Arguably a smart defender but just got overshadowed by the up and coming Jack Armer, and his lack of pace was easily exploited by opponents. We won't exploit it today though, we don't have anyone to do so... that's been our problem, we're trying to play a style of football that worked really well last season despite not having the right qualities in the positions that need those qualities. Chris Beech wanted to keep the squad he assembled last summer and now he seems a bit in denial that the squad has changed and our way of playing has to adapt. I don't think he's lost the plot though like Barton, his job will be on the line if we lose today, he just needs to hurry up and realise things need to change. We'll probably hit a lot of aimless balls into Anderton's quarter of the pitch that he will just head clear every time. Hope Jordan Gibson can play as he offers something in that area.

You wont have to exploit anything today, eventually we will gift you a goal or two.
Honestly we have only managed about 90 mins of decent football, across 2 games, all season.
We tend to play with wing backs, but have no decent fit wing-backs - some of us are hoping Barton changes to 4-4-2 but he seems to want to put square pegs in round holes to suit his fave style

 

[shoddycollins]

___________________Jensen__________________
Devine____Feeney_____Whelan_____Armer
_____________Guy________Mellish___________
Alessandra______Clough________Dickenson
__________________Young____________________

All change again, maybe this time it will work. Alessandra won't trouble Anderton with pace but I think he's more likely to play there than Dickenson.

On the bench we have Gabe Breeze as sub keeper, so no deal for Adam Smith, not yet at least. Then outfield players are Dinzeyi, Charters, Gibson, Mampala, Toure, Abrahams. Mellor and Riley not in the squad, with McDonald still injured.

EDIT: best post this in the actual match fred, forgot this was the sack race fred

 

[Super_horns]

Neil Cox might find a P45 heading his way ?

 

[Scunny Pacifist]

Neil Cox might find a P45 heading his way hl

I hope not. He’s a cracking lad

 

[BarraMatt]

Joey Barton found his God in the shape of Chris Beech.

 

[hellogregory]

If Beech doesn’t go this week the club might as well make a statement saying they don’t give a fuck if we go down or not.

 

[hellogregory]

Chris Beech sacked.

correct decision.

 

[The Terminator]

It did seem inevitable

CLUB STATEMENT: Chris Beech | Carlisle United Football Club

Carlisle United Football Club can confirm that head coach Chris Beech has left the club with immediate effect.

www.carlisleunited.co.uk

 

[shoddycollins]

I do fear who we go with next. I know you've been optimistic about Beech's replacement but I can just see the next Kav on the horizon.

 

[Robshep]

Chris Beech sacked.

correct decision.

Promotion challenge then?

 

[hellogregory]

I do fear who we go with next. I know you've been optimistic about Beech's replacement but I can just see the next Kav on the horizon.

Im not overly optimistic that we will appoint someone brilliant. But Chris Beech had got to the stage where i don’t think anyone else could do a worse job. We had been in relegation form for the equivalent of 3/4 of a season and we were getting worse. Chris Beech was going to be the “next Kav” the way it’s been going.

We have to roll the dice as he was never turning things round. We either left things the same and accepted almost certain relegation, or take punt on someone else in the chance they might actually be able to get us out of this shit. The squad isn’t as bad as our league position says in my opinion.

I’m glad it’s been done now rather than waiting till December.

 

[hellogregory]

Promotion challenge then?

Nope. This team isn’t capable of that. But with a half decent replacement we can hopefully push up towards the dizzy heights of mid table.

 

[BarraMatt]

Radio Cumbria have just announced the shortlist:

- Darren Edmondson
- Grant Holt
- Phil Brown
- Dino Maamria

Joking aside he did seem incredibly delusional in his most recent interviews. He mentioned about how games change on the first goal, whilst I agree to a point they did have a fan text in with an interesting stat. In 30 odd games under Beech when Carlisle have fallen behind, they've only managed to muster 11 points. Just screams of a manager that doesn't have anything beyond Plan A.

 

[Robshep]

Nope. This team isn’t capable of that. But with a half decent replacement we can hopefully push up towards the dizzy heights of mid table.

Hopefully not in the next 7 days.

 

[shoddycollins]

Hopefully not in the next 7 days.

Don't think we've ever appointed a manager that quick.

 

[Scunny Pacifist]

Hopefully not in the next 7 days.

Shut it

 

[hellogregory]

Radio Cumbria have just announced the shortlist:

- Darren Edmondson
- Grant Holt
- Phil Brown
- Dino Maamria

Joking aside he did seem incredibly delusional in his most recent interviews. He mentioned about how games change on the first goal, whilst I agree to a point they did have a fan text in with an interesting stat. In 30 odd games under Beech when Carlisle have fallen behind, they've only managed to muster 11 points. Just screams of a manager that doesn't have anything beyond Plan A.

Exactly. Last season when we were up in the top 3, plan A was working all the time, he never had to react to change a game. Since plan A stopped working, he didn’t have a clue what to do. That’s one of the main things that has been his downfall.

 

[MadJohn]

Barton Interview

If Joey doesn't get sacked soon he may be sectioned

It is with great sadness that we must report that the mountain climbing metaphor has been forced to retire, shortly after being chased to exhausted collapse by a thick prick.

 

[Bottega Don]

Cox won't be sacked as that would involve our chairman paying him off, something he can't afford to do

 

[Robshep]

Shut it

Nice to have our own resident wit on here.