Millwall in trouble?

[White Army]

I would be absolutely devastated for any other club and I mean ANY other club but I really find it difficult to care about Millwall.

Well you're a fucking idiot then arent you.

 

[Vic Rattlehead]

Been laughing about this all day.

No one likes us. Hopefully they'll find out how much when the petitions come around only to be returned unsigned.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Well you're a fucking idiot then arent you.

Were all entitled to our opinions. I dont intend to insult anyone including Millwall fans but I just dont like their club.

 

[Etienne Vermeer]

Were all entitled to our opinions. I dont intend to insult anyone including Millwall fans but I just dont like their club.

Didn't your mama ever teach you not to say anything if you can't say anything nice?

So the antagonists here are Bradford, Barnsley, and Alfreton (?!) fans. Interesting.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Didn't your mama ever teach you not to say anything if you can't say anything nice?

So the antagonists here are Bradford, Barnsley, and Alfreton (?!) fans. Interesting.

In hindsight your probably right. Millwall get my back up for reasons I will not disclose on here. I think I had said my piece. I will get my coat.

 

[White Army]

In hindsight your probably right. Millwall get my back up for reasons I will not disclose on here. I think I had said my piece. I will get my coat.

aye, fuck off.

 

[Aber gas]

Were all entitled to our opinions. I dont intend to insult anyone including Millwall fans but I just dont like their club.

I don't like yours. Don't want them to lose their home though.

 

[Techno Natch]

Didn't your mama ever teach you not to say anything if you can't say anything nice?

So the antagonists here are Bradford, Barnsley, and Alfreton (?!) fans. Interesting.

Give me a blood and thunder night game against Millwall over any of those teams any day. I hate Millwall when we play them but it was those games that made it interesting when I used to go. Hope the move can be prevented plus where are Harchester United going to play when they come back with a new series? Bet the council haven't thought of that the dicks.

 

[Millwall_Matt]

Putting our clear popularity with a few brain donors on here, the simple fact remains that the council is putting a private profit making vehicle, with questionable links to the decision makers on the council, over a community asset with an estimated value in terms of local community projects of millions of pounds. This is happening in one of London's poorest and most deprived boroughs, and there are serious questions about whether the private firm which stands to benefit are either a) capable of completing the regeneration having never done this sort of Project before and b) are simply planning on selling on the land at vastly increased prices having gotten a bargain through compulsory purchase orders.

The simple fact is that our unfashionable, unpopular and largely shit football club happens to be just about the only good thing Lewisham has going for it, from a community asset point of view. That the council is actively working to damage it is difficult to comprehend.

 

[Aber gas]

It's an absolute disgrace. A council actively undermining a massive part of their community for a quick buck is short sighted and beyond contempt.
It's even worse that a Labour council is at the heart of it. Ive been tweeting the fuck out of this and bringing it up in my local CLP. This needs to be stopped.

 

[Muzzle]

Nowt against Millwall, had some interesting times with them in the 80's and early 90's but good set of lads. Aye, they may like a bit of a battle, but you always could have a laugh with them as well, corporate UK will win again unless something is done

 

[womble76]

I don't really get this. If they are selling the land around the ground why do you gave to move out? They are not actually selling the land the stadium sits on?

 

[bantamigo]

I don't actively care for Millwall itself. I have no affinity to them and I recognise that a group (albeit minor) aren't the nicest of people. BUT, stuff like this should not be allowed to happen. Our football clubs are one of the last bastions of community that we have in this country, and in London, a place where the community has been completely ripped apart through gentrification and rising house prices etc, to lose something that IS the community, would just be horrendous. If there was something positive being put there in its place such as affordable housing, a school or a hospital I could maybe understand. But the land is going to private developers who are just looking to make a quick buck out of the place with flats that they can sell at an exorbitant rate.

They [and by extension the council] probably don't want Millwall there because of what it connotes. It's grubby, an eyesore and lets face it, we football fans aren't the sort of people that an enterprising council with aims of attracting global investment or just money in general, want around. And that's why Millwall fans and football supporters in general should stand up to it.

I know a lot of our fans would actively love us to move out of Manningham as the area is a shithole and difficult to get to. Plus Bradford has one noteworthy club so they could put it anywhere in the district and it wouldn't really be infringing on anyone. Maybe why there's not much sympathy from oop norf. Definitely seems to be a London thing.

 

[rudebwoyben]

I don't really get this. If they are selling the land around the ground why do you gave to move out? They are not actually selling the land the stadium sits on?

I think if the land around the ground has been sold off it would make it very hard and not safe to access the stadium.

 

[womble76]

Yes but surely any plans would only be passed with access secured.

 

[womble76]

I would suspect these are idle threats as the military chairman wants a piece of the redevelopment cake

 

[Bobbin']

I may be wrong, but I think Millwall just own the stadium, absolutely everything around it is fair game, including the car parks around the ground etc.

 

[iWomble]

Yes but surely any plans would only be passed with access secured.

Why? Everything about the regeneration plans so far has been dodgy. What better way to lower the value of the land the ground sits on so that can be regenerated too?

The wider issue is that it shows what an antidemocratic crock of shit elected mayors and executive cabinets are for putting more power in fewer, less accountable, hands.

 

[Etienne Vermeer]

I don't really get this. If they are selling the land around the ground why do you gave to move out? They are not actually selling the land the stadium sits on?

Literally we would be left with four stands and the pitch. No car park, no access, no community centre, we wouldn't even have the awesome cafe next to the place. As iWomble says, you also lower the price of the ground making that easier to buy off/gentrify too.

 

[Luke_ciderhead]

Disappointed to see some gloating on here for Millwalls prediciment, no doubt fuelled by bad experiences with them in the past.. Well hows this: They attacked our junior reds coaches back in the early 90s, theyve trashed our pubs numerous times and they gleefully pissed on our promotion party back in 2007 by beating us at The Den then lobbing coins at us afterwards. Scumbags.

We have as much right to hate them as anybody, but for things that threaten the very essence of community football in the UK, football fans need to stick together or we risk losing the identity of our game altogether. You never know, it could be my club or yours next and if it is, you'd hope that the wider footballing community would help you too. I wish Millwall all the best in keeping their spiritual home. It wouldnt be the same without an occasional hairy trip to Bermondsey!

 

[Sheffsteel]

No problem with Millwall as a club.
Also they have very loyal passionate supporters.

Hope you sort something out with the Lewisham council. Surely common sense will prevail.
Otherwise you could have another rediculous scenario similiar to Coventry playing at Northampton.

 

[Walkley_Owl]

Enjoy my trips to the Den, there's good and bad in every support base and anyone who thinks differently lives in cloud cuckoo land, got a lot of time for the Millwall fans I've met.

Hope it gets sorted. Petition signed and it's been well received on our forum.

 

[Etienne Vermeer]

Disappointed to see some gloating on here for Millwalls prediciment, no doubt fuelled by bad experiences with them in the past.. Well hows this: They attacked our junior reds coaches back in the early 90s, theyve trashed our pubs numerous times and they gleefully pissed on our promotion party back in 2007 by beating us at The Den then lobbing coins at us afterwards. Scumbags.

We have as much right to hate them as anybody, but for things that threaten the very essence of community football in the UK, football fans need to stick together or we risk losing the identity of our game altogether. You never know, it could be my club or yours next and if it is, you'd hope that the wider footballing community would help you too. I wish Millwall all the best in keeping their spiritual home. It wouldnt be the same without an occasional hairy trip to Bermondsey!

City fans aren't that different honestly, was never the most welcoming of places... and you know, those are the best trips. Loved visting Ashton Gate, as well as others like Birmingham, Stoke, and Cardiff (more so at Ninian Park but still) etc. They all top trips to the likes of Barnsley.

 

[Techno Natch]

City fans aren't that different honestly, was never the most welcoming of places... and you know, those are the best trips. Loved visting Ashton Gate, as well as others like Birmingham, Stoke, and Cardiff (more so at Ninian Park but still) etc. They all top trips to the likes of Barnsley.

I was going to say it was definitely both ways. Anyway it doesn't matter which team it is this is out of order.... Even MK Dons!

 

[Gashead]

Whole thing is absolutely bizarre, hope Millwall don't suffer due to it as its a decent ground there - only ever been half full when I've been but I imagine it'd be great for a big game. That's before you even consider the repercussions of moving the club out of the area which can be pretty disastrous.

 

[PuB]

If anyone thinks this is funny or deserved then YOU are part of the problem. The gentrification of many places in London is a disgrace in itself, now a local council is trying to push a football club out of an area where they do an awful lot of good work in the community. More so than most, especially at this level.

It cannot be allowed to happen and we all need to support them.

 

[Shrimper92]

As much as I am ambivalent to Milwall, no club should go through this. It's an absolute joke that it has even been thought about without the ramifications.

Milwall fans who live in Lewisham should make sure to vote the people out next time.

Fuck Lewisham Council.

 

[AnimoEtFide]

During my 12 years living in London I really warmed to Millwall. Whilst most of the time it felt like I was surrounded by poncey Arsenal/Chelsea/Man U fans who didn't have a fucking clue, on the occasions I bumped into 'Wall fans you could always have a decent footy chat and on the whole they tended to be pretty sound (perhaps bizarrely I also put Spurs in this bracket). More broadly having spent most of my time down there working shit jobs for shit pay and getting chased from shithole to shithole all across the city by rapacious landlords and watching all my favourite haunts get shut down and converted into some wank bar or cafe, I respect a club that represents a resilient pocket of London that hasn't meekly surrendered to some of the more pernicious forces transforming the city. The way in which Millwall getting kicked out into Kent would be a microcosm of how London is losing what made it a great city in the first place are so obvious it doesn't really need outlining. The fact that a Labour council is the one pushing it is astonishing and depressing in equal measure.

 

[S74Blade]

He's a complete wanker. Still can't believe fellow Londoners voted him in.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...rotecting-the-den-from-property-a3337946.html

September they appealed to him for assistance and as far as I know, he hasn't done anything yet.

Lesser of two evils perhaps ? Weren't there other candidates ?
" Zac Goldsmith" fuck me ! What choice was there !

 

[S74Blade]

Lewisham is a very diverse borough but on the other hand Millwall have managed to attract some new support from the communities that have settled in Lewisham. The fanbases of the lower division London clubs are still pretty white but I have noticed a change at Barnet in the past few years and I think the same is true of the other small London clubs. Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea actually have a pretty diverse mixture of people in their crowds on matchday nowadays.

Yeah, the same process has taken place at Bramall Lane, the Blades were at the forefront of the anti-racism camapaign over the years " Lets kick Racism out of Football" and its paying dividends with local communities following the club.

Surely one of the strong selling points of English culture is the strength in depth of its football clubs, the 92 fully professional league system, which probably extends to Non-League clubs, is the envy of the Football World, no one else has anything like it. I wasn't aware of the current situation before now, if Millwall fans need our support we should've give it to them.
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