MK v BC

[Josesemedosjockstrap]

Probably no more than you and Sheffield

Sheffield, a quality club, one of if not the worlds oldest!

 

[THE LAST WALTZ]

Good post, sir.

But you still can't get away from the fact they're a bunch of c***

A Swindon fan calling another club a bunch of c*** is a bit like Steve Evans telling someone they could do with losing a few pounds!

 

[.V.]

It's not their fans per se, it's what the club represents and the fact the FL actually let them get away with it.

This. Still the only football club I'd take great glee in seeing go bust.

 

[Indian Dan]

A Swindon fan calling another club a bunch of c*** is a bit like Steve Evans telling someone they could do with losing a few pounds!

A timely reminder that it's not only Franchise

 

[BCFC Jordan]

Any match thread including Bristol has a minimum of 6 pages regardless of content, they love to talk about their team, A LOT.

That's what happens when you have thirty fans of a team on the forum. The more the merrier.

Bought my tickets for this now. Hopefully an enjoyable day out like last year, only this time with a win on top as an added bonus. COYR.

 

[TomPNE94]

That's what happens when you have thirty fans of a team on the forum. The more the merrier.

Bought my tickets for this now. Hopefully an enjoyable day out like last year, only this time with a win on top as an added bonus. COYR.

Wrong.

 

[BCFC Jordan]

Wrong.

I'm on about fans of all clubs.

 

[TomPNE94]

I'm on about fans of all clubs.

Oh, that's fair enough then

 

[Scumarmy.]

4,000 sold so far at an average of say £15. £60,000

Wonder how many months of Keith Andrew we are paying for? Doesn't seem right that we are contributing all that to MK when their fans gave less than a tenth to our coffers!

That's why we tactically boycotted (a real one, not AFC Wimbledon style).

 

[Scumarmy.]

And when you've used up your ~9,000 allocation, you can put another ~700 in with the home fans. They won't mind but they will phone in to BBC 3CR afterwards to moan about the swearing and shouting.

On a more serious note, this game really should be on the TV. One of the best of the season.

You didn't even sell 9,000. Pathetic.

 

[THE LAST WALTZ]

A timely reminder that it's not only Franchise

I didn't mean to offend, honest.

To show there are no hard feelings, as they say down your way, give me six!

 

[HertsWolf]

Living in the area it is plan to see MK growing as a football club and being very active in the community and even more proactive in their youth set up.

That said I'd rather shit in my hands and clap than accept their existence as being good for the game.

Compared to what? The existence of a club that moved from Bramall Lane to Olive Grove to Owlerton? Or a club that moved from one side of London to another (Arsenal, that is, as well as pre-MK Dons Wimbledon). Whose 'existence' is good or bad for the game? Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea with their billions? The bunch of cowboys who took Pompey down the drain? Gretna Green? Birmingham City? 1980s Wolves? 1970s/80s/90s/00s/10s Leeds? Or the "I'm going to name my club after a tiger I'll throw my toys out of the pram" Hull City?

The 'existence' of a team is ultimately guaranteed only by the fans who turn out week in, week out for generations, not what some owner or manager does. For every Jack Walker or Jack Hayward there are twenty bad owners. Clubs are about the teams.

So clap away. You'll be the one with shit on your face. But the fans of MK Dons have a club, ground (and at last) a team of which they can be quite proud. Were you one of the ones whose heads were totally, totally fucked by the MK Dons v Man Utd game because you couldn't work out which one to hate more? Possibly the one game in history when a lot of fools were praying for, somehow, both teams to lose?

I must admit I thought a lot more of you.

The banter in these forums is good, but this "I'd be happy to see them go bankrupt" shit (not from you, I know) is just ridiculous. Some people need to get a fucking grip. There's enough messed up in this world without needing to create and sustain hatred over the MK Dons issue.

 

[Josesemedosjockstrap]

Compared to what? The existence of a club that moved from Bramall Lane to Olive Grove to Owlerton? Or a club that moved from one side of London to another (Arsenal, that is, as well as pre-MK Dons Wimbledon). Whose 'existence' is good or bad for the game? Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea with their billions? The bunch of cowboys who took Pompey down the drain? Gretna Green? Birmingham City? 1980s Wolves? 1970s/80s/90s/00s/10s Leeds? Or the "I'm going to name my club after a tiger I'll throw my toys out of the pram" Hull City?

The 'existence' of a team is ultimately guaranteed only by the fans who turn out week in, week out for generations, not what some owner or manager does. For every Jack Walker or Jack Hayward there are twenty bad owners. Clubs are about the teams.

So clap away. You'll be the one with shit on your face. But the fans of MK Dons have a club, ground (and at last) a team of which they can be quite proud. Were you one of the ones whose heads were totally, totally fucked by the MK Dons v Man Utd game because you couldn't work out which one to hate more? Possibly the one game in history when a lot of fools were praying for, somehow, both teams to lose?

I must admit I thought a lot more of you.

The banter in these forums is good, but this "I'd be happy to see them go bankrupt" shit (not from you, I know) is just ridiculous. Some people need to get a fucking grip. There's enough messed up in this world without needing to create and sustain hatred over the MK Dons issue.

Hold up, are you comparing moving stadiums over 125 years ago with actively moving a club 60 miles north from it's natural home? Read up on why my club moved across the city before commenting, and I though BETTER of you in that regard.

I find the idea how MK Dons came about sets a dangerous precedence on how clubs can be moved from an underachieving/undesirable area to one that will provide them with a nice new set up designed to bring in monies time and again, if MK had wanted a team it should have grown one organically not taken and trashed the history of another, would the club have a shiny new bowl had they began where they should have, non league? would they fuck, it was always to do with money.

I actually couldn't give a toss when MK played Man Utd, it was a nothing game to me.

 

[JonBCFC]

Compared to what? The existence of a club that moved from Bramall Lane to Olive Grove to Owlerton? Or a club that moved from one side of London to another (Arsenal, that is, as well as pre-MK Dons Wimbledon). Whose 'existence' is good or bad for the game? Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea with their billions? The bunch of cowboys who took Pompey down the drain? Gretna Green? Birmingham City? 1980s Wolves? 1970s/80s/90s/00s/10s Leeds? Or the "I'm going to name my club after a tiger I'll throw my toys out of the pram" Hull City?

The 'existence' of a team is ultimately guaranteed only by the fans who turn out week in, week out for generations, not what some owner or manager does. For every Jack Walker or Jack Hayward there are twenty bad owners. Clubs are about the teams.

So clap away. You'll be the one with shit on your face. But the fans of MK Dons have a club, ground (and at last) a team of which they can be quite proud. Were you one of the ones whose heads were totally, totally fucked by the MK Dons v Man Utd game because you couldn't work out which one to hate more? Possibly the one game in history when a lot of fools were praying for, somehow, both teams to lose?

I must admit I thought a lot more of you.

The banter in these forums is good, but this "I'd be happy to see them go bankrupt" shit (not from you, I know) is just ridiculous. Some people need to get a fucking grip. There's enough messed up in this world without needing to create and sustain hatred over the MK Dons issue.

Hard to disagree with any f that fella. I've never had a problem with MK, actually one of the few teams in this league I quite like. Their style of football is superb, as is their football. And their fans are a nice bunch too. Don't really get the utter hatred towards them.

 

[This Charming Mike]

Compared to what? The existence of a club that moved from Bramall Lane to Olive Grove to Owlerton? Or a club that moved from one side of London to another (Arsenal, that is, as well as pre-MK Dons Wimbledon). Whose 'existence' is good or bad for the game? Man City, Man Utd and Chelsea with their billions? The bunch of cowboys who took Pompey down the drain? Gretna Green? Birmingham City? 1980s Wolves? 1970s/80s/90s/00s/10s Leeds? Or the "I'm going to name my club after a tiger I'll throw my toys out of the pram" Hull City?

The 'existence' of a team is ultimately guaranteed only by the fans who turn out week in, week out for generations, not what some owner or manager does. For every Jack Walker or Jack Hayward there are twenty bad owners. Clubs are about the teams.

So clap away. You'll be the one with shit on your face. But the fans of MK Dons have a club, ground (and at last) a team of which they can be quite proud. Were you one of the ones whose heads were totally, totally fucked by the MK Dons v Man Utd game because you couldn't work out which one to hate more? Possibly the one game in history when a lot of fools were praying for, somehow, both teams to lose?

I must admit I thought a lot more of you.

The banter in these forums is good, but this "I'd be happy to see them go bankrupt" shit (not from you, I know) is just ridiculous. Some people need to get a fucking grip. There's enough messed up in this world without needing to create and sustain hatred over the MK Dons issue.

The creation of MK Dons was a property deal first and foremost. The football was secondary. It was wrong then and it's still wrong now. Look the other way and pretend it doesn't matter if you want. But luckily, there are enough folk out there who won't do that - which is the main reason that there hasn't subsequently been a MK Dons mark II since.

 

[Bcfc@downend]

4349 tickets sold as of 3.00 pm today

 

[Bcfc@downend]

...... Or nearly a preston home attendance

 

[HertsWolf]

Hold up, are you comparing moving stadiums over 125 years ago with actively moving a club 60 miles north from it's natural home? Read up on why my club moved across the city before commenting, and I though BETTER of you in that regard.

I find the idea how MK Dons came about sets a dangerous precedence on how clubs can be moved from an underachieving/undesirable area to one that will provide them with a nice new set up designed to bring in monies time and again, if MK had wanted a team it should have grown one organically not taken and trashed the history of another, would the club have a shiny new bowl had they began where they should have, non league? would they fuck, it was always to do with money.

I actually couldn't give a toss when MK played Man Utd, it was a nothing game to me.

The comment on Sheffield Wednesday was comparable, just the time-frame and distance was massively different. Wimbledon had been in difficulties for a long time. Agree with the point about money, but then that was what I was alluding to in the first place. How many others have followed in MK Dons footsteps? Precedent? Hardly. How is it much different from injecting half a billion petrodollars into a club? Neither situation is relying on anything "organic".

Edited to add: I should stress that I didn't agree with the move (or 'franchising' in the first place) just that it's happened. Nothing wrong with the team, fans, 'club' (which has many aspects beyond the owner), IMHO.

 

[This Charming Mike]

...... Or nearly a preston home attendance

 

[HertsWolf]

The creation of MK Dons was a property deal first and foremost. The football was secondary. It was wrong then and it's still wrong now. Look the other way and pretend it doesn't matter if you want. But luckily, there are enough folk out there who won't do that - which is the main reason that there hasn't subsequently been a MK Dons mark II since.

I actually don't really disagree with this. But I don't see it as reason for hating MK Dons as a club. Perhaps a reason for hating the people that did it, I agree..

 

[Bcfc@downend]

Smiley now added

 

[Luke_ciderhead]

City fans will make up about a third of the crowd then.

 

[Josesemedosjockstrap]

The comment on Sheffield Wednesday was comparable, just the time-frame and distance was massively different. Wimbledon had been in difficulties for a long time. Agree with the point about money, but then that was what I was alluding to in the first place. How many others have followed in MK Dons footsteps? Precedent? Hardly. How is it much different from injecting half a billion petrodollars into a club? Neither situation is relying on anything "organic".

Edited to add: I should stress that I didn't agree with the move (or 'franchising' in the first place) just that it's happened. Nothing wrong with the team, fans, 'club' (which has many aspects beyond the owner), IMHO.

We moved from Bramall Lane to Olive Grove as we wanted our own ground and not to share with the cricket club, Olive Grove was latterly sold to make room for the expanding railway, hardly the fucking same.

Wimbledon hadn't been in 'difficulties' during the initial period other than those brought on by the people intent on making them move, the lack of their own stadium could have been resolved without basically taking the club down and smothering the fan base so that all that was left was a shell that could be moved to MK and used as an SPV for planting a football team into the league to cash in on a new town.

 

[Bacchus]

I don't think it's a precedence at all, the move was a unique situation that is extremely unlikely to reoccur ever again in English football on the same level.

The whole project was only ever going to have any chance of success in a large, growing town of our size without any major Premiership clubs within the same regional catchment area to compete for support. Until we have another town with a 175,000+ population and no league football presence or major nearby clubs then there is no realistic prospect for a club to ever be successfully relocated with the same intentions again. That's without even considering the cost - over £150m to afford the sheer amount of infrastructure required to make the club self-sustainable. Likewise for the fanbase, regardless of the fact there was no previous league club here people haven't flocked in the sort of numbers expected and to get to those levels it will take at least another decade if not two of organic growth to reach it's potential for this town/region.

So I think looking at it the experiment as a template for future moves to happen is really a failure. It's shown franchising doesn't work as a quick-fix and easily becomes a money sink to even start to look profitable. For most owners they simply wouldn't want the hassle we've shown relocating a club creates compared to just buying and spending on an already established club. Our club I think will continue to grow and become a success someday, but I strongly believe it will remain a unique case and never become the norm after we've shown the amount of time and money it'll take to work. It'll only ever be a very long-term project to get returns from, so it'll never catch on.

 

[JJH]

For people moaning about the amount of City fans on this forum - Blame the moron that decided to put a link on OTIB to this. (Not that I can remember who it is)

 

[THE LAST WALTZ]

For people moaning about the amount of City fans on this forum - Blame the moron that decided to put a link on OTIB to this. (Not that I can remember who it is)

Why would anyone be bothered about the amount of Bristol City fans on here?
It's just a shame that there are not more fans of every other club on here.

 

[Bcfc@downend]

Why would anyone be bothered about the amount of Bristol City fans on here?
It's just a shame that there are not more fans of every other club on here.

Well said waltzer and coming from someone who supports our "whipping boys "

 

[THE LAST WALTZ]

Well said waltzer and coming from someone who supports our "whipping boys "

We is your 'biatch' this season.
Looking forward to coming back down in March though.

 

[Bcfc@downend]

Fair play to you - don't think we will be coasting next one like the recent one at ag

 

[Gerry Gow]

If this is POTD, I wouldn't be surprised to see nearly 6k City there. I know loads who haven't bought tickets yet!