New laws

[Stringy]

Did anyone spot any new tactics or was there any controversy yesterday over the new laws (I hadn't even spotted anything about this until today!)

 

[The Jovial Forester]

Did anyone spot any new tactics or was there any controversy yesterday over the new laws (I hadn't even spotted anything about this until today!)

Our goalie did that new kick out with ball not leaving the area a couple of times, no-one seemed phased.

 

[Semi-skimmed Silk]

We had players going off at the nearest touchline; Ironside went off next to the Exeter goal, Exeter outrageously wasted an extra second of time by one of theirs taking a 2m longer route from the centre circle.

 

[Gladders]

Our sub went off at the halfway line as normal, didn't really notice or know it was a new rule until the commentator mentioned it. Ref obviously didn't know either because he didn't tell him to leave by the nearest point, let him walk from his own box to halfway line clapping the fans as he went.

 

[JJ1532]

Our goalie did that new kick out with ball not leaving the area a couple of times, no-one seemed phased.

Didn't even realise that was a new rule until I saw our goalie do it yesterday.

As for the subs rule, I've never had a problem with players taking an age to go off if their team is winning. Best way for the opposition to combat that is to not let them take the lead, problem solved. Teams will still find ways of taking the piss. Tactically positioning their players in certain spot, feigning limps as an excuse to walk off etc. I like the idea, but I doubt it'll make much difference.

 

[Conker]

My favourite is the Cowley rule - if you are struggling in a match, designate a player to be injured so you can huddle everyone else around the bench for a team talk.

 

[Vanni]

Preferably the goalie, as that guarantees a 5 min team talk.

 

[Deepcut Cobbler]

Preferably the goalie, as that guarantees a 5 min team talk.

And he doesn't have to leave the field of play...

 

[Chris FGR]

Our goalie did that new kick out with ball not leaving the area a couple of times, no-one seemed phased.

A law that was made for us lol. Don't think a singe goal kick left the box. We can now turn up tippy tappy to the max.

 

[E10rifle]

Not a fan of uncontested drop balls.

 

[Chris FGR]

Not a fan of uncontested drop balls.

Apparently it's also now an uncontested drop ball if the ball hits the ref, to stop them accidentally scoring.

 

[Luke Imp]

Accrington made a couple of subs on Saturday and on one occasion the player did leave the pitch at the nearest touchline off his own accord yet the ref made the other sub go all the way across the pitch.

I'm guessing most saw the Benfica GK routine last week? The Club's had their pre-season referee meetings, as they do, and they were told it was fine yet another governing body/association sent an email around on Thursday saying that it wasn't!

 

[Gladders]

Apparently it's also now an uncontested drop ball if the ball hits the ref, to stop them accidentally scoring.

Yeah that happened in our match, ball hit the ref and he blew his whistle, think half the players were complaining there was no foul what you blowing for!

 

[Deepcut Cobbler]

Apparently it's also now an uncontested drop ball if the ball hits the ref, to stop them accidentally scoring.

Only if the team that last touched the ball lose possession or do not gain a significant advantage.

 

[Crewelad87]

My favourite is the Cowley rule - if you are struggling in a match, designate a player to be injured so you can huddle everyone else around the bench for a team talk.

That was Graeme Wesley at Stevenage, every game without fail, at around 25 minutes a Stevenage player would go down randomly injured, and they would all have a team talk at the side of the pitch.

 

[shoddycollins]

Only if the team that last touched the ball lose possession or do not gain a significant advantage.

Takes all the fun out of it in my view.

That was Graeme Wesley at Stevenage, every game without fail, at around 25 minutes a Stevenage player would go down randomly injured, and they would all have a team talk at the side of the pitch.

We still call it a Westley-time-out round my end, regardless of who does it. Even if it's us, i.e. 'ah, good use of the Westley-time-out there, we were struggling, needed to regroup'.

As for the subs rule, I've never had a problem with players taking an age to go off if their team is winning. Best way for the opposition to combat that is to not let them take the lead, problem solved. Teams will still find ways of taking the piss. Tactically positioning their players in certain spot, feigning limps as an excuse to walk off etc. I like the idea, but I doubt it'll make much difference.

Expect players about to be subbed to go stand on the centre-spot from now on.

 

[Stringy]

Accrington made a couple of subs on Saturday and on one occasion the player did leave the pitch at the nearest touchline off his own accord yet the ref made the other sub go all the way across the pitch.

I'm guessing most saw the Benfica GK routine last week? The Club's had their pre-season referee meetings, as they do, and they were told it was fine yet another governing body/association sent an email around on Thursday saying that it wasn't!

I've just watched it on YouTube and that's great. I'm disappointed that any governing body or association would have a problem with a team innovating like that.

I'm hoping that now attackers can't go near walls with three or more players that we'll start to see some fancier set piece routines especially now they'll be tempted to load more attackers into the box. Maybe some teams won't even bother with defensive walls.

Also, I was wondering if there was anything to say that another defender can't join the wall after a wall has been set. If an attacker is in the vicinity, perhaps we could see a situation where an extra defender joins a two man wall just before a direct free kick taker takes a free kick, which would result in an indirect free kick in the opposite direction if the referee spots it. Presumably there is something against this.

 

[Stringy]

Apparently it's also now an uncontested drop ball if the ball hits the ref, to stop them accidentally scoring.

This is a great rule change. When defending the box, if the referee happens to be in the line of the clearance a defending team could strike the ball really hard at the referee. If it hits him and possession changes hands, they win a dropped ball. There could also be instances for example where a player gets swarmed and boots it against the referee if he's close. Might not hit him but if you're going to lose possession anyway you might as well.

Hope I am interpreting this rule change correctly and the referee can be used more interactively for this purpose.

 

[Luke Imp]

I've just watched it on YouTube and that's great. I'm disappointed that any governing body or association would have a problem with a team innovating like that.

I'm hoping that now attackers can't go near walls with three or more players that we'll start to see some fancier set piece routines especially now they'll be tempted to load more attackers into the box. Maybe some teams won't even bother with defensive walls.

Also, I was wondering if there was anything to say that another defender can't join the wall after a wall has been set. If an attacker is in the vicinity, perhaps we could see a situation where an extra defender joins a two man wall just before a direct free kick taker takes a free kick, which would result in an indirect free kick in the opposite direction if the referee spots it. Presumably there is something against this.

I've just re-watched that part of the Cowley interview from last week ahead of the weekend game and PGMOL (is that right?) said the that Benfica GK wasn't allowed and the IFAB (who govern the football laws) said it was. So the refs are saying one thing and the people who govern it anothe!

In effect the argument was that by doing what Benfica have, it eliminates GK's from the game, which isn't what that particular law was brought in for.

 

[dedwardp]

I've just re-watched that part of the Cowley interview from last week ahead of the weekend game and PGMOL (is that right?) said the that Benfica GK wasn't allowed and the IFAB (who govern the football laws) said it was. So the refs are saying one thing and the people who govern it anothe!

In effect the argument was that by doing what Benfica have, it eliminates GK's from the game, which isn't what that particular law was brought in for.

Coggeshall Town were doing this for every goal kick in their game at Stanway Rovers last week, or so I'm told.

 

[JJ1532]

Expect players about to be subbed to go stand on the centre-spot from now on.

Oh for sure, was thinking the same.

Or they'll stand slightly closer to the far touchline, see their number go up and start walking the wrong way, away from their nearest exit point. The ref will then tell said player to turn around, at which point he'll feign ignorance and take the piss for a bit before finally leaving.

There are loads of ways to exploit the rule. Teams will soon work out just how far to push the ref before they get booked.

 

[Chris FGR]

Oh for sure, was thinking the same.

Or they'll stand slightly closer to the far touchline, see their number go up and start walking the wrong way, away from their nearest exit point. The ref will then tell said player to turn around, at which point he'll feign ignorance and take the piss for a bit before finally leaving.

There are loads of ways to exploit the rule. Teams will soon work out just how far to push the ref before they get booked.

Is it really worth all that pratting about just to waste a few seconds?

Time wasting is tedious and annoying as fuck. A new rule I'd like to see is a 10 second rule for subs, goal kicks, throw ins etc. Go over that and it's a straight red, no excuses. That would cut it out quickly.

 

[Deepcut Cobbler]

That flicked up Goal kick has now been banned, the game will be restarted with another goal kick.

 

[Casey]

The flip thingy has always been against the laws of the game. A flip with the foot is counted as a double touch and therefore an indirect free kick should be awarded to the other team.

Keeper doesn't need to flip it up. Pass to defender. Defender flips into the air and heads back to keeper.

Or in Crawley's case. Keeper passes to defender. Defender flips it up and passes to attacker to score.

Casey

 

[Stringy]

The flip thingy has always been against the laws of the game. A flip with the foot is counted as a double touch and therefore an indirect free kick should be awarded to the other team.

Keeper doesn't need to flip it up. Pass to defender. Defender flips into the air and heads back to keeper.

Or in Crawley's case. Keeper passes to defender. Defender flips it up and passes to attacker to score.

Casey

What if they scoop the ball into the air in one clean motion. Surely that can't be a double touch.

 

[Luke Imp]

Yeah, players have scored FK's off doing that for years by one flicking the ball up and the other hitting it.

 

[Deepcut Cobbler]

The flip thingy has always been against the laws of the game. A flip with the foot is counted as a double touch and therefore an indirect free kick should be awarded to the other team.

Keeper doesn't need to flip it up. Pass to defender. Defender flips into the air and heads back to keeper.

Casey

1. You are correct however the flip or flick in this case is actually a 'chip' onto the head of the defender which isn't against the Laws.
2. Flipping or flicking into the air and heading it back to the keeper, or any other trick to circumvent the Law, has always against the Law since the back pass law was introduced in 1992. It is punishable by a caution for the player and an indirect free kick from where the 'trick' was carried out.

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

Is it really worth all that pratting about just to waste a few seconds?

Time wasting is tedious and annoying as fuck. A new rule I'd like to see is a 10 second rule for subs, goal kicks, throw ins etc. Go over that and it's a straight red, no excuses. That would cut it out quickly.

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You mean just like the 6 second rule for keepers to release the ball that I've never seen a ref blow up for ?

and get rid of that stupid " take Gkick from either side of goal " rule .........whoever proposed / seconded and majority-agreed to pass that self-defeating time-wasting rule must've thought it was a no-brainer..............................indeed it was, implemented by people with no brains at all !

 

[RebornKirtonRed]

My favourite is the Cowley rule - if you are struggling in a match, designate a player to be injured so you can huddle everyone else around the bench for a team talk.

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I really detest this part of the modern game - Maccy did it a couple times against us whereby the only people left on the pitch was the referee, 'injured player' and trainer - BOTH teams racing to the dugouts for drinks and instruction .

To my mind should never be allowed to happen - before long the fluididty of "the beautiful game" will just degenerate into a series of five minute setplays.

...............do the trainers have wireless contact with the bench ? if so , then there's one obvious subterfugal delaying tactic right there.

 

[Casey]

Deepcut Cobbler; I bow to superior knowledge on your point two. Who knew.

Casey