Night of the Werewolves - The Legend of Black Shuck

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what have i done now ffs

 

[SALTIRE]

It wis a horrible sight seein' Tam like that, he wis a chancer, bit a gaid lad! Rest in peace matey.

At least wi a' got another dug tho', that's somethin'. Hopefully, wi could a' find some mair in t'next few days an' the CoT tae keep up thir excellent work!

 

[Techno Natch]

So, I know this may sound suspicious, given I didn't vote for Ravenbish and was targeted by LR last round for execution at one point, but surely now the CoT have to reveal the identity of one more member? We only know of LR at the moment, so if he dies, we have no one who everyone knows and trusts to direct the execution votes?

The CoT should always ensure at least 2 names are known, and keep the rest hidden.

I don't know how wise it is for them to confirm who is in the circle of trust. That would make them an obvious target?

Good nights work guys. RIP Tom!

 

[last request]

OOC- In fact, thinking back I think one of you briefly touched on it at the time, very briefly.

Can't remember who though??

Anyone wanna remind me it was them?

Talking when dead ya big cheat

 

[MagpieBee]

I don't know how wise it is for them to confirm who is in the circle of trust. That would make them an obvious target?

Good nights work guys. RIP Tom!

Yes it would, but should the rest of the village no longer know the identities of any of the CoT should LR die, it could be hard for them to rebuild their credibility (other people could then pose as CoT) when trying to put forward Wolves to kill.

I agree, it should only ever be at most 2 people known at a time. That way even if one dies we have another known person to pass on any messages about who is / isn't a wolf, and to reveal a new 2nd public face. Everyone else can then remain hidden.

Plus even if the CoT loses a "known" member every night, every night it also either adds one more by finding another innocent through the seer, or finds a wolf who can then be targeted.

 

[Aberstone]

Is that an error from SUTSS on the OP, I thought we only knew the identity of the two dead wolves (Steady and Ravenbish), yet there's now a 3rd dead wolf?

 

[SUTSS]

Is that an error from SUTSS on the OP, I thought we only knew the identity of the two dead wolves (Steady and Ravenbish), yet there's now a 3rd dead wolf?

Corrected.

 

[JonBCFC]

Corrected.

Mike isn't dead, is he? It have I missed something..

 

[SUTSS]

You are of course right. No idea why he was marked as dead wolf. I don't remember doing it but I must have made a mistake at some point.

 

[Aberstone]

Anyway, I'm looking at those lurkers who haven't contributed to the village, you have roused my suspicions. Either that or wait for the CoT to confirm a wolf.

 

[Magic]

I reckon wait and see what the COT find out today and then we can move on from there.

 

[Techno Natch]

Yes it would, but should the rest of the village no longer know the identities of any of the CoT should LR die, it could be hard for them to rebuild their credibility (other people could then pose as CoT) when trying to put forward Wolves to kill.

I agree, it should only ever be at most 2 people known at a time. That way even if one dies we have another known person to pass on any messages about who is / isn't a wolf, and to reveal a new 2nd public face. Everyone else can then remain hidden.

Plus even if the CoT loses a "known" member every night, every night it also either adds one more by finding another innocent through the seer, or finds a wolf who can then be targeted.

To be fair that's a good point about the COT and I hadn't thought about it like that. I guess if a rouge came out claiming to be in the COT then they would come and confront him quickly but for those not in the know it would be hard to know who they should trust.

 

[Toffee_Joe]

Brilliant work by those who suspected Ravenbish and managed to help us find another wolf.

I didn't vote for him as I find Etty Abrics behaviour suspicious and Still believe Etty has behaved suspiciously. Having said that I will wait and see if the COT comes up with anything before waiting.

 

[blade1889]

To be fair that's a good point about the COT and I hadn't thought about it like that. I guess if a rouge came out claiming to be in the COT then they would come and confront him quickly but for those not in the know it would be hard to know who they should trust.

If there's about 3/4 people in the CoT (other than LR) who are able to confront up to 2 (I'm guessing there'll be 4 wolves) then it should be obvious who is telling the truth...then we execute the others and win!

 

[last request]

There is no need to unveil anyone else who is in the COT yet. If I was to die, and someone falsely came forward to claim they were in the COT, all of the real COT would instantly know they were lying.

 

[MagpieBee]

There is no need to unveil anyone else who is in the COT yet. If I was to die, and someone falsely came forward to claim they were in the COT, all of the real COT would instantly know they were lying.

But you'd have to convince everyone else you were the "real" CoT? In my opinion it would just be easier to reveal someone now, but your calls I guess.

 

[JonBCFC]

But you'd have to convince everyone else you were the "real" CoT? In my opinion it would just be easier to reveal someone now, but your calls I guess.

But surely if someone was claiming to be in the CoT but isn't, is obviously a wolf. and then several people who actually were in the CoT outed him as a liar.. Would make no sense for someone to falsely claim they were a CoT member

 

[MagpieBee]

But surely if someone was claiming to be in the CoT but isn't, is obviously a wolf. and then several people who actually were in the CoT outed him as a liar.. Would make no sense for someone to falsely claim they were a CoT member

My only point is that the vast majority of the village wouldn't have any idea which was the "real" CoT. The Wolves wouldn't even have to do it publically initially, but in secret start recruiting other villagers who are innocent to their fake CoT, until they were large enough that the majority of people would believe them. Keeping 2 people revealed is an easy way to remove any uncertainty is all I'm saying, and not doing that opens a window to the Wolves.

 

[blade1889]

My only point is that the vast majority of the village wouldn't have any idea which was the "real" CoT. The Wolves wouldn't even have to do it publically initially, but in secret start recruiting other villagers who are innocent to their fake CoT, until they were large enough that the majority of people would believe them. Keeping 2 people revealed is an easy way to remove any uncertainty is all I'm saying, and not doing that opens a window to the Wolves.

If the Wolves started pretending to be the CoT they would have 2 (max 3) members the first time, pretty sure the CoT has more already so something should ring alarm bells straight away for the new recruit. Besides which when a second 'CoT' revealed itself through them finding a legit wolf or recruiting someone to both groups then it would be fairly obvious who the real wolves are and as soon as that happens its game over.

 

[MagpieBee]

Fair enough. I still think having 2 revealed is easier, but it's the CoT's call.

 

[Toffee_Joe]

If the Wolves started pretending to be the CoT they would have 2 (max 3) members the first time, pretty sure the CoT has more already so something should ring alarm bells straight away for the new recruit. Besides which when a second 'CoT' revealed itself through them finding a legit wolf or recruiting someone to both groups then it would be fairly obvious who the real wolves are and as soon as that happens its game over.

Why would they have three to start with? They could feasibly message 5 or 6 they knew to be innocent straight from the get go. Say we are the CoT and they wouldn't know any different. I personally don't see the loss in revealing a member of the CoT. Just not the seer!

 

[JonBCFC]

Why would they have three to start with? They could feasibly message 5 or 6 they knew to be innocent straight from the get go. Say we are the CoT and they wouldn't know any different. I personally don't see the loss in revealing a member of the CoT. Just not the seer!

But if they messaged those innocents they knew to be guaranteed innocents, alarm bells will still ring with the lack of convo in the CoT conversation.

 

[blade1889]

Why would they have three to start with? They could feasibly message 5 or 6 they knew to be innocent straight from the get go. Say we are the CoT and they wouldn't know any different. I personally don't see the loss in revealing a member of the CoT. Just not the seer!

They'd have to message each person individually and invite them in to the fake CoT one at a time. I'm assuming they will be communicating over PM so adding more than one person in 2 game days, claiming the seer has investigated them both, will be pretty damn obvious that its a lie!

So yeah, they'd have to start with the wolves + one innocent (which I'm guessing would make a group of three)...which should be suspicious to the one innocent as the CoT as more members!


And just to build on what Jon has said as I think that's probably the best way of looking at it...if the Wolves tried starting their own fake CoT now then itd be incredibly obvious to any new member as there wont be previous talk of investigating certain people, finding steady to be a wolf or evidence of LW/Tom having been members.

 

[Mr Elmo]

We are in a much better position than the wolves currently - No point changing things. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

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MagpieBee is working hard to try and get another CoT member out in the open, I must say...

 

[MagpieBee]

MagpieBee is working hard to try and get another CoT member out in the open, I must say...

Yeah, which would be an incredibly stupid thing for a wolf to do... happy to be investigated if people feel the need.

And yeah, it would be difficult for the Wolves to pull off, but why take the risk in opening up the opportunity for them?

 

[last request]

The COT has a new member.

I'm going to vote IanH for execution.

Somebody I suspected earlier on in the game, and still suspect. Always seems to want to vote as inconspicuously as possible. A late voter on the Cardsfan wagon the day Krazy8 was executed. A late voter on the Ravenbish wagon yesterday.

Also suspicious of JJH for similar reasons.

StagsForLife and Harv - it's getting a bit suspicious that you keep on voting Cardsfan. Particularly when so many people end up voting for a wolf in RavenBish and you don't. I understand it's part of a prank but that is exactly the type of thing Wolves like to take advantage of.

Also - there are currently 8 alive members of the COT. Just to show why I don't need to reveal anyone else who is in it, and scupper any plans the Wolves might have of setting up a fake one.

 

[Toffee_Joe]

If there are 8 members then I understand not revealing another member more. Fair enough.

As the seer didn't find a wolf I'm going to vote Etty Abrics for execution.

 

[HarvSFC]

StagsForLife and Harv - it's getting a bit suspicious that you keep on voting Cardsfan. Particularly when so many people end up voting for a wolf in RavenBish and you don't. I understand it's part of a prank but that is exactly the type of thing Wolves like to take advantage of.

This is where my gameplan has come in, as an innocent. The bandwagon for Cardsfan started, I was waiting it out to see the results. The results being that a group then decided to vote to kill off the innocent Krazy8. What made certain people jump on the Krazy8, who later turned out to be an innocent bandwagon, rather than the Cardsfan one?

Although you were suspicious of Cardsfan yourself yesterday. Now with the call outs to people that have voted for him, it looks like he may have joined the CoT, so I'm not sure who to vote for this round.

 

[Cardsfan]

This is where my gameplan has come in, as an innocent. The bandwagon for Cardsfan started, I was waiting it out to see the results. The results being that a group then decided to vote to kill off the innocent Krazy8. What made certain people jump on the Krazy8, who later turned out to be an innocent bandwagon, rather than the Cardsfan one?

Although you were suspicious of Cardsfan yourself yesterday. Now with the call outs to people that have voted for him, it looks like he may have joined the CoT, so I'm not sure who to vote for this round.

I think people preferred to execute someone who had behaved suspiciously, rather than someone who was voted for as a joke.