Plymouth vs Crewe (6 pointer!!!)

[Pennywise]

Unlucky, Crewe.

Mate of mine went and reckoned they were lucky to take the points.

I need to see this Porter miss by the sounds of it though.

 

[Gerald Hattrick]

Harder to miss than score but he’s won a few points for us. Not what we needed today, regroup and move on.

 

[Super_horns]

Wasn't Crewe's day !

Could have had a penalty and misssd that sitter.

 

[Scamperdale]

Just got back from the long trip to the west.

Firstly massive credit to the Argyle ground staff for getting the match on. They had more people forking the pitch than I think the Alex employ in total! Unlike some other clubs (yes FGR I’m looking at you) they gave clear and regular info on the state of the pitch and planned pitch inspections via social media. The southwest bore the brunt of the early stages of storm Dennis yet the pitch remained completely playable, it was the high winds that had most effect on the game.

Clearly the result was a complete let down. The game was of a generally high quality. Both teams tried, and often succeeded in playing football despite the conditions. For me a draw would have been a fair result with either team shading various phases of the game. Can’t comment on the decision for the Argyle pen in the second half as it was at the wrong end of the pitch for us away fans and highlights don’t really show the incident but it was a very well taken pen leaving our keeper no chance. Similarly Argyles goal from open play was very well taken after a strong run down the right from Moore. What is so hard to take is losing 3 points to a promotion rival when we so clearly deserved much more from the game. Really unsure how the ref decides we don’t get a pen in the first half. Great strike from Pickering to take the lead and Porters miss....well words fail me. That could be a very expensive miss. Argyle are right back in it and our game against Exeter is now massive. I know there is a lot of football yet to be played but at the moment this feels like a big (and undeserved) loss.

Finally what is it about Argyle fans on Twitter? Really open and friendly atmosphere between the 2 sets of fans around the ground but some of the vitriol on social media is unbelievable.

 

[Super_horns]

Social media for you?

Brings out the worse in people ..

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Just got back from the long trip to the west.

Firstly massive credit to the Argyle ground staff for getting the match on. They had more people forking the pitch than I think the Alex employ in total! Unlike some other clubs (yes FGR I’m looking at you) they gave clear and regular info on the state of the pitch and planned pitch inspections via social media. The southwest bore the brunt of the early stages of storm Dennis yet the pitch remained completely playable, it was the high winds that had most effect on the game.

Clearly the result was a complete let down. The game was of a generally high quality. Both teams tried, and often succeeded in playing football despite the conditions. For me a draw would have been a fair result with either team shading various phases of the game. Can’t comment on the decision for the Argyle pen in the second half as it was at the wrong end of the pitch for us away fans and highlights don’t really show the incident but it was a very well taken pen leaving our keeper no chance. Similarly Argyles goal from open play was very well taken after a strong run down the right from Moore. What is so hard to take is losing 3 points to a promotion rival when we so clearly deserved much more from the game. Really unsure how the ref decides we don’t get a pen in the first half. Great strike from Pickering to take the lead and Porters miss....well words fail me. That could be a very expensive miss. Argyle are right back in it and our game against Exeter is now massive. I know there is a lot of football yet to be played but at the moment this feels like a big (and undeserved) loss.

Finally what is it about Argyle fans on Twitter? Really open and friendly atmosphere between the 2 sets of fans around the ground but some of the vitriol on social media is unbelievable.

Apparently a lot of our media team were given a fork. But we always knew if it stopped raining the pitch would be fine, as you say the wind was the safety hazard.

Agreed a draw would have been fair. Both sides tried to play football, which was no mean feat. It was actually a very enjoyable match in terms of quality and action from both sides.

In terms of the penalty, which clearly was - it was pretty much below me- the ref running his diagonal would have expected help from the Lyndhurst Lino as it happened ten yards in front of him, but none was forthcoming. We had a penalty given a few weeks ago in pretty much the same position and the Lino gave it. With our penalty the ref was in a better position to make the decision, but both live and from the tv replays it is harder to tell.

What is it with Artell, he clearly did not watch the same match that you or I were watching? Came across a bit Adams like.

 

[Valeite]

The Crewe penalty appeal was a dive, you see Walker dangling his leg to try to make contact but the pen for Plymouth didn`t seem obvious . That miss from Porter could be regretted for a long time.
Well done to the Crewe fans who made it down there and hope you all got back safely

 

[ProfessorGreen]

We’ve got our fair share of clowns on Twitter that don’t represent the fan base. Some of the argyle related stuff and ‘memes’ they come up with is actually quite funny but they ruin it all with nonsense about other teams who we really have no rivalry with. Eg Crewe, Stevenage, Newport

 

[JJ1532]

What is it with Artell, he clearly did not watch the same match that you or I were watching? Came across a bit Adams like.

I don't know why he insists on going over the top, I can only assume that he hasn't had time to process his emotions when doing these interviews. Something they are spot on, but yeah, this one was ridiculous. Claiming we could have been out of sight by half time when we managed zero shots on target is nonsense. We maybe could have deserved 1 goal, at best, but even that's a stretch. I don't know who he tries to convince when he makes out like we were awesome. The fans who went know better. The players surely know better. So who is he trying to fool? I don't get it, but there we go, no manager is perfect.

The fact is, we are third in the league despite lacking any clinical finishers. We have seriously overachieved so far and if we do finish in the top 3, it will be an incredible achievement. I'll forgive the occasional nonsensical interview.

 

[PlymouthCasual]

Decent enough game in very tough conditions. The 3 points flattered us due to the inexcusable miss from the Crewe number 9 but we were good value for a point at least. The margins are so tight at the top that the miss from Porter may actually have a say on your season.

 

[North_Cheshire_Alex]

Decent enough game in very tough conditions. The 3 points flattered us due to the inexcusable miss from the Crewe number 9 but we were good value for a point at least. The margins are so tight at the top that the miss from Porter may actually have a say on your season.

That's possibly true given the state of the top 4 as we go into the run in, but on the other hand Ports got us a 90th minute winner against Crawley, so I guess it does balance out. I would not like to predict who the top 3 will be, obviously I want us to be in there, but I think any of the top 4 could do it and even win the league, or could end up narrowly missing out.

 

[PlymouthCasual]

Yeah im sure it will all even itself up come the end of the season. Certainly all to play for, going to be some run in up until the end of the season.

 

[NolansOrient]

Big shame Crewe didn't win, would much rather see them go up than plymouth. Sounded like they were very unlucky not to get at least something from the game.

 

[PlymouthCasual]

Can't believe we still have Orient rattled. Scumbag club with absolutely no class. Sooner to slither back down to the depths of non league the better.

 

[North_Cheshire_Alex]

Can't believe we still have Orient rattled. Scumbag club with absolutely no class. Sooner to slither back down to the depths of non league the better.

What’s the issue between Argyle and the O’s?

 

[PlymouthCasual]

Goes back a few years to when the Leyton Orient captain assaulted one of our ball boys at Home Park. Our center forward also blatantly handled to score earlier in the season which had them seething! Just bitter

 

[NolansOrient]

I don't think there's any real animosity between the clubs, it's more my personal feelings towards them.

There always seems to be some event in our games that goes their way, be it very strange red cards, the amazing handball from their player this season to nick the lead, or the incident where their ball boy wouldn't put the ball back into play, so our midfielder gave him a little shove (which he shouldn't have done) to get the game going. You should have seen their fans' and local media's reaction, it was like a nuclear bomb had been dropped over Home Park. Their fans just went into meltdown over a non-event.

Not to mention their profiteering from Bury's demise and the fact that Exeter is a nicer place with better fans, better pubs and a more atmospheric ground. They're also annoyingly wealthy, being able to pump c. £5m into their stadium after being in administration not too long ago.

Just don't like em really.

 

[KeithH]

I don't think there's any real animosity between the clubs, it's more my personal feelings towards them.

There always seems to be some event in our games that goes their way, be it very strange red cards, the amazing handball from their player this season to nick the lead, or the incident where their ball boy wouldn't put the ball back into play, so our midfielder gave him a little shove (which he shouldn't have done) to get the game going. You should have seen their fans' and local media's reaction, it was like a nuclear bomb had been dropped over Home Park. Their fans just went into meltdown over a non-event.

Not to mention their profiteering from Bury's demise and the fact that Exeter is a nicer place with better fans, better pubs and a more atmospheric ground. They're also annoyingly wealthy, being able to pump c. £5m into their stadium after being in administration not too long ago.

Just don't like em really.

Nobody "profiteered" from Bury's demise except the fat slug and Grizzly (and some dubious money "lenders"
We have no animosity at all to either ex-players, Ryan Lowe or the clubs they joined.
Twas hardly their faults we had bloody crooks running the show.

 

[PlymouthCasual]

I don't think there's any real animosity between the clubs, it's more my personal feelings towards them.

There always seems to be some event in our games that goes their way, be it very strange red cards, the amazing handball from their player this season to nick the lead, or the incident where their ball boy wouldn't put the ball back into play, so our midfielder gave him a little shove (which he shouldn't have done) to get the game going. You should have seen their fans' and local media's reaction, it was like a nuclear bomb had been dropped over Home Park. Their fans just went into meltdown over a non-event.

Not to mention their profiteering from Bury's demise and the fact that Exeter is a nicer place with better fans, better pubs and a more atmospheric ground. They're also annoyingly wealthy, being able to pump c. £5m into their stadium after being in administration not too long ago.

Just don't like em really.

Im not going to try and change your mind NolansOrient because your entitled to your opinion and in no way does your dislike of us effect me in the slightest. What I will try and do though is at least correct a point you have made.

The in game stuff is all opinion based but we agree on both points on this occasion. Keith has answered your point about taking advantage of Bury above.

What I will say is that we spent 7 years under the chairman who bailed us out of admin in 2012. In those 7 years we got our club in order and started to become financially more viable. A Plymouth businessman and his wife who are based out in the US bought Argyle last year and have financed the renovation on basically a interest free loan over a ridiculous period of time. We are not pumping endless amounts of money into non profitable projects like we were guilty of before Admin. Every investment is based around the infrastructure of the club and generating non match day income. Hope this helps clear that part up.

 

[Trapdoor]

I should be outraged that we are even being compared to Plymouth, but I can't be that mad because it's simply a fact that Exeter is a much nicer place.

 

[PlymouthCasual]

I have to concede that your City Centre has much more character than ours trapdoor but thats only because the luftwaffe done a job on us during the war. The Barbican and Plymouth hoe (no jokes necessary) are streets ahead of anything your little city can muster though

 

[Rob_of_the_green]

Financially off the field I would say we’re virtually the opposite of Bury. We have an owner that is a fan and loves the club, we are financially very stable almost to the point that we basically break even over the year (which I’d say is rare in league football if you analysed most clubs), and we generate enough income from large gates etc that we only need to put a relatively small amount of that into the team to be competitive

 

[ProfessorGreen]

I don't think there's any real animosity between the clubs, it's more my personal feelings towards them.

There always seems to be some event in our games that goes their way, be it very strange red cards, the amazing handball from their player this season to nick the lead, or the incident where their ball boy wouldn't put the ball back into play, so our midfielder gave him a little shove (which he shouldn't have done) to get the game going. You should have seen their fans' and local media's reaction, it was like a nuclear bomb had been dropped over Home Park. Their fans just went into meltdown over a non-event.

Not to mention their profiteering from Bury's demise and the fact that Exeter is a nicer place with better fans, better pubs and a more atmospheric ground. They're also annoyingly wealthy, being able to pump c. £5m into their stadium after being in administration not too long ago.

Just don't like em really.

God I read this with the biggest smile on my face.

 

[Pennywise]

More atmospheric ground?

Hahahahahahaha.

 

[Boletus Edulis]

Artell needs to be careful. He is still going on about the two penalties/or dives depending on your point of view. Being unhappy with the officials is fair enough, but accusing them of lying, twice, well you are treading on thin ice. Moreover, he claims a particular conversation took place at half time, unfortunately for him Argyle have published a video of that confrontation, and it ( in particular the refs response) is not exactly as he is quoted as saying. So he is accusing the officials of lying, but being charitable his description of what happened in the tunnel at half time is not totally accurate either.

Personally, I think Artell should have whatever private conversations with the EFL and their officials team he needs to have, keep stum publicly and focus on your next game.

 

[valefan16]

Artell needs to be careful. He is still going on about the two penalties/or dives depending on your point of view. Being unhappy with the officials is fair enough, but accusing them of lying, twice, well you are treading on thin ice. Moreover, he claims a particular conversation took place at half time, unfortunately for him Argyle have published a video of that confrontation, and it ( in particular the refs response) is not exactly as he is quoted as saying. So he is accusing the officials of lying, but being charitable his description of what happened in the tunnel at half time is not totally accurate either.

Personally, I think Artell should have whatever private conversations with the EFL and their officials team he needs to have, keep stum publicly and focus on your next game.

He did say he was ringing Jones on the way home (Head of refs) but he was seething on P&G.

Something about showing the referee a laptop?

He could be in hot water as he was pretty brutal in his interview about the referee, probably needed to maybe wait until he had calmed down a bit before being interviewed or sending his assistant out would have been better.

One of our players tweeted about Mr Kettle and that wasn't advised either!

This is the referee mind who gave Exeter one of the most ridiculous penalties against us last season after 1 minute.

 

[Indian Dan]

Better off docking Porter’s wages for impersonating a striker!

 

[North_Cheshire_Alex]

Artell needs to be careful. He is still going on about the two penalties/or dives depending on your point of view. Being unhappy with the officials is fair enough, but accusing them of lying, twice, well you are treading on thin ice. Moreover, he claims a particular conversation took place at half time, unfortunately for him Argyle have published a video of that confrontation, and it ( in particular the refs response) is not exactly as he is quoted as saying. So he is accusing the officials of lying, but being charitable his description of what happened in the tunnel at half time is not totally accurate either.

Personally, I think Artell should have whatever private conversations with the EFL and their officials team he needs to have, keep stum publicly and focus on your next game.

Isn’t that video after the match, as I can hear the big man going on about the ref “missing 2 stonewallers”, I maybe wrong. Not sure I am comfortable with Plymouth releasing a video of our managers coversation with the ref, a bit out of order really.

 

[Agombar stool]

We’ve got our fair share of clowns on Twitter that don’t represent the fan base. Some of the argyle related stuff and ‘memes’ they come up with is actually quite funny but they ruin it all with nonsense about other teams who we really have no rivalry with. Eg Crewe, Stevenage, Newport

Twitter rely is cringe worthy. After your draw with Macclesfield last night was confirmed (possibly by your official twitter site) there was a Swindon fan who immediately posted 'wahahahahaha you couldn't even beat Macclesfield'. Of course this started a diatribe of 'yeah but we have more fans than you' type bullshit.

There is some really good stuff on Twitter but the vast majority of football fans on there are absolute dickheads.

 

[Indian Dan]

No time for bullshit or Billy Big Bollocks attitudes. Every club has its fair share of both, but to my mind most fans are just that - fans. I have a distaste of a few clubs - it’s hard not to - but for geographic reasons we’d all support the clubs where we born or at least have some connection with.

It’s what makes supporting the smaller clubs more honest or pure - if that’s the right description - than the plastic followers of those clubs it’s easy to attach yourself to.

Viva us bottom feeders!