Relegation Thread 2017/18

[Urban]

When you see the sustained abuse they put us under when we went down, under and owner doing to us just what happened to us - and then some on top maybe you'd have an idea.

We got dogs abuse from them, and as happened on Saturday, Mansfield fans are having their revenge.

If you don't seem that as classy given the circumstances, no offence, I couldn't give a fuck

Yeah, because I don't have any idea given our history of relegations myself

I don't give a fuck myself, so the aggression can be toned down a notch. Just pointing out that celebrating another clubs demise at this level is a harsh business. It's not the PL where you get a nice £90m+ parachute payment... relegation from here can (and often does) mean the end of clubs. Not something to gloat over tbh.

 

[AdamStag]

Yeah, because I don't have any idea given our history of relegations myself

I don't give a fuck myself, so the aggression can be toned down a notch. Just pointing out that celebrating another clubs demise at this level is a harsh business. It's not the PL where you get a nice £90m+ parachute payment... relegation from here can (and often does) mean the end of clubs. Not something to gloat over tbh.

Good for you.

Some will agree, some will say what goes around comes around.

 

[UTS]

Chesterfield are Mansfield’s main rival of course they are gonna take the piss, it’s all part of the fun of having a rival... it’s give and take hence why it feels so good to win derby matches... what else do you expect ffs.

 

[AdamStag]

Chesterfield are Mansfield’s main rival of course they are gonna take the piss, it’s all part of the fun of having a rival... it’s give and take hence why it feels so good to win derby matches... what else do you expect ffs.

Football fans have long memories, we remember how much they took the piss when we went down under a dodgy chairman who robbed us blind unsure on our future, they were ruthless.

Now the same is happening to them, it's fair to say that sympathy is going to be some what limited.

 

[valefan16]

To be fair most Vale fans are ripping into Sjoke over their impending relegation and they have us last season for example.

The harsher side of it and dare say when Mansfield next go down CFC fans will give it back.

 

[AdamStag]

To be fair most Vale fans are ripping into Sjoke over their impending relegation and they have us last season for example.

The harsher side of it and dare say when Mansfield next go down CFC fans will give it back.

Exactly. There's been a few posts stating how they want them to go out of business.

For me, such talk is absolute rubbish, yes you secretly want them to be on their Arse for a bit, but if a rival goes out of business, you're all worse off IMO

 

[ValiantRob]

The situation that Chesterfield find themselves in, should serve as a warning to all teams in league 1 or lower, in that it only takes a bad season( or 2) to fall out of the league. I can`t remember them being near the bottom of this division before, so it must be hard for their fans to take.

 

[UTS]

I’m fairly certain Bury will follow the exact path that Chesterfield have done. Our off field situations sound incredibly similar.

 

[valefan16]

The situation that Chesterfield find themselves in, should serve as a warning to all teams in league 1 or lower, in that it only takes a bad season( or 2) to fall out of the league. I can`t remember them being near the bottom of this division before, so it must be hard for their fans to take.

Well we’ve had it bad the past two years but they’ve come on the same journey and then a bit more so can’t imagine how Spirites are feeling.

Football can change so quick though. Two years back we were playing Maidenhead in the cup three leagues below us and we have come close (assuming the unlikely doesn’t happen) to playing them in league games next year!

 

[rudebwoyben]

I would have thought that what happened to Tranmere Rovers and Stockport County were enough warning for anyone in the first place!

 

[AdamStag]

I would have thought that what happened to Tranmere Rovers and Stockport County were enough warning for anyone in the first place!

Problem owners don't see is they think it'll never happen to them. Whereas I'm no chairman, surely if you wished to take a salary from a club it kinda needs to be doing well in the first place, a club making a loss or going out of business isn't going to do tou much good in the long run. Chesterfield (or any other club) isn't going to be very desirable to a new owner in the conference.

It happens to clubs of all sizes, look at Southampton, if you have this approach of sell, sell, sell and don't replace adequately eventually it'll catch up with you

 

[valefan16]

The interview with Chesterfield's director is worth a read... he's basically saying relegation is already planned and next year which whilst wise in terms of planning surely you don't say it out aloud when needing the team to fight to the end?

 

[Luke Imp]

Had a £2.3m budget this year as well?

Even though he's talking about cutting the budget to just under £1m, that's still a top one in the NL. Average is probably £700/£750k.

 

[AdamStag]

The interview with Chesterfield's director is worth a read... he's basically saying relegation is already planned and next year which whilst wise in terms of planning surely you don't say it out aloud when needing the team to fight to the end?

I don't think you can really plan for the conference, the finance model needed is completely different. The drop of payments is massive, you lose youth funding (I think, I know we did) away followings of 1500/2500 provided by Coventry Notts Lincoln Mansfield Grimsby are replaced by 25 from Boreham wood. Unless you're someone really small and have experience of going down like Barnet, I bet no club runs at a profit.

Hartlepool were "prepared" last season apparently, and nearly went into admin a month or 2 ago, and are now talking about going part time.

 

[thewwfc]

Had a £2.3m budget this year as well?

if that's true, that's absolutely insane that they're still (most likely) going down, spending that much on players.

 

[Luke Imp]

if that's true, that's absolutely insane that they're still (most likely) going down, spending that much on players.

Bit like York last season who went down on a top NL budget (and are apparently running at £1.5m in the 'North').

 

[Trapdoor]

Bit like York last season who went down on a top NL budget (and are apparently running at £1.5m in the 'North').

How do they even do that? They are going to fold surely?

 

[AdamStag]

Had a £2.3m budget this year as well?

Even though he's talking about cutting the budget to just under £1m, that's still a top one in the NL. Average is probably £700/£750k.

Never on a budget that big! Though apparently o'grady is on about £5k a week. So if they've got him next season on the 2 year contract that's over £100k just on him. I believe that a lot of the players they've got are on contracts for next season, there's not many who'll come looking for players just relegated. They've a decent defender and dennis and that's about it.

Does the £1m take into account servicing the debts they've got for instance? The lad hasn't got a clue.

 

[George Reilly's Hairpiece]

The interview with Chesterfield's director is worth a read... he's basically saying relegation is already planned and next year which whilst wise in terms of planning surely you don't say it out aloud when needing the team to fight to the end?

That's nothing. We've been planning for the drop this year by playing National League standard players this season. The only issue is that the likes of Watson and Blackman might need another season before they reach a comfortable level of National League South.

 

[Luke Imp]

How do they even do that? They are going to fold surely?

Being propped up by their Chairman (or rather his Company), who will walk away at the end of this season because the Trust wouldn't hand over their 25% share to him and give him 100% control. It was hand over the 25% and he'll stay, or refuse to (it went to a Trust members vote) and he'll walk away and not put any further money in.

Bit of background to it here - http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/sport/16...ared_to_sell_York_City_if_Trust_vote_is__No_/

So it's probably the end of those type of budgets for York. Doubt we'll be seeing them for a while given the amount of money there is in that league. Fylde obviously came up via that route, then there's Salford, Harrogate, Spennymoor and others. Tonnes of money in that league.

 

[AdamStag]

Being propped up by their Chairman (or rather his Company), who will walk away at the end of this season because the Trust wouldn't hand over their 25% share to him and give him 100% control. It was hand over the 25% and he'll stay, or refuse to (it went to a Trust members vote) and he'll walk away and not put any further money in.

Bit of background to it here - http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/sport/16...ared_to_sell_York_City_if_Trust_vote_is__No_/

So it's probably the end of those type of budgets for York. Doubt we'll be seeing them for a while given the amount of money there is in that league. Fylde obviously came up via that route, then there's Salford, Harrogate, Spennymoor and others. Tonnes of money in that league.

After the days of john batchelor (the one who wanted to take over us and call us harchester United) I don't blame the trust for not doing that.

 

[GTFCfish]

Though apparently o'grady is on about £5k a week. So if they've got him next season on the 2 year contract that's over £100k just on him.

Or maybe even over £250k just on him........

 

[Trapdoor]

I mean York arent that badly supported, if the likes of Exeter, Wimbledon, Wycombe etc. can cut it financially in league football then there should be no reason why York need the chairmans money. They should tell him to poke it and start cutting their cloth accordingly. It might not see them back in the League fast but they probably would slowly progress. The likes of Forest Green are just a flash in the pan who will disappear again once their owners get bored or retire.

 

[AdamStag]

Or maybe even over £250k just on him........

Haha. I was thinking of the defenders apparently on £2k which would equate to the £100k.

Seriously though, if they keep o'grady thats 1/4 of the million budget on just him.

 

[mowgli]

I mean York arent that badly supported, if the likes of Exeter, Wimbledon, Wycombe etc. can cut it financially in league football then there should be no reason why York need the chairmans money.

The only thing that saved us from going bust was the fact that our former owner Steve Hayes sold the club to the trust who have done a remarkable job of turning things around plus the current chairman Anthony Howard who doesn't take a wage. Hayes left us over £6,000,000 in debt but cup runs and the Jordon Ibe sell on which earned us over £2,000,000 means we are breaking even at last,i won't be surprised to see more clubs owned by the fans as it seems to work well with the right people in charge.

 

[valefan16]

The only thing that saved us from going bust was the fact that our former owner Steve Hayes sold the club to the trust who have done a remarkable job of turning things around plus the current chairman Anthony Howard who doesn't take a wage. Hayes left us over £6,000,000 in debt but cup runs and the Jordon Ibe sell on which earned us over £2,000,000 means we are breaking even at last,i won't be surprised to see more clubs owned by the fans as it seems to work well with the right people in charge.

Last sentence being the key... we were purchased by the Valiant 2001 group, Vale fans backed by fans at the time in 2002-03 however over time investment wasn't really provided, other people came on board, fake investment news such as the Blue Sky and people coming on board who refused to pay for shares. They limited the ownership to 24.9% or something which limited Robbie Williams investment and in the end a lot of their shares were never paid for. We had to starve the club into administration in 2012 to get them out of the club and the scale of unpaid shares and lies was phenomenal. They had the cheek at a game with Bradford to announce an 8 million investment that never existed.

Being owned by the fans is ok but has to be the right people. We got it wrong. Lots of fans lost money in shares through the greed of some.

 

[Luke Imp]

Look at Chester this season.

Fan owned, but the Board spent £100k of 'rainy day' money without telling anyone until it had run out. Railway Blue and Bluandwite will be able to shed some more light on that.

 

[Luke Imp]

I mean York arent that badly supported, if the likes of Exeter, Wimbledon, Wycombe etc. can cut it financially in league football then there should be no reason why York need the chairmans money. They should tell him to poke it and start cutting their cloth accordingly. It might not see them back in the League fast but they probably would slowly progress. The likes of Forest Green are just a flash in the pan who will disappear again once their owners get bored or retire.

Bit more from TheMinsterman, who's good for all things behind the scenes at York.

Essentially, McGill has "resigned" but it's readily apparent that the new board is just yes men who are essentially doing his bidding for him. It would not be surprising if he is going to wait for the deadline, come back and go "look at how much of a mess we're in without me" and then make another push for the shares. There has been interest, come April 30th I guess we will discover whether it's been serious or if Jason is just going to reject them as "unsuitable" regardless.

The SLO was sacked on a technicality and it's pretty obvious it was for daring to commit "wrong think", the answer to deteriorating fan relations is apparently a new play list of music (I am not even exaggerating). Crazy stuff.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

Once you get on that slippery slope it's hard to stop it, look at Sunderland, Villa very nearly went the same way. Bury are in danger of the same next season as well you'd feel.

 

[AdamStag]

We’ve the same with radford though, yes he’s the chairman, but he’s also part of the board which makes decisions together. No-one individual to my knowledge can make decisions without the board. We’ve also prominent supporters groups involved after what happened with haslam.