Relegation Thread 2019/20 (sponsored by Steve Dale)

Who will be relegated? (you can change your vote as the season progresses)


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Time for a little update on the runners and riders:

14th - Oldham - 36 points
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Dino Maamria

widely fancied for the drop due to some shocking performances early season and a general sense of a club in crisis, they were already steadying the ship before Christmas following a change of manager, and have enjoyed a good January to climb up to 14th place, and 14 points clear of Stevenage. Not a chance Oldham are going down.

15th - Walsall - 36 points
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Darrel Clarke

Still quite goal-shy, and with the division's 4th worst goal difference, the Saddlers reached a high point in December where they were in the top half of the table and 'only' 8 points off the playoffs. Since that point things have taken a turn for the worse but they're still comfortably clear of relegation; the only team in the bottom half who haven't changed manager. Walsall won't go down.

16th - Cambridge - 35 points
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Mark Bonner (caretaker)

Considered to have had a decent transfer window, Cambridge started the season in decent form and weren't considered as relelgation candidates when I started this thread. However a nosedive in form since then has seen Calderwood shown the door and U's fans begin to worry that they could drop all the way into non-league. Still though, they have a comfortable gap to danger and picked up a big win in their first game after Calderwood. Cambridge should be fine.

17th - Grimsby - 34 points
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Ian Holloway

Earlier on in the season Grimsby looked like a real enigma, brilliant at times and when taking into account their games in hand, a shot at the playoffs seemed as likely as relegation. They still have two of those those games in hand and technically could be only four points from the playoffs if they win them. Inconsistency though means mid-table beckons for them. Holloway has done a decent job since coming in and relegation doesn't look to be a serious concern.

18th - Orient - 34 points
LDWLW
Ross Embleton (interim)

The first of the teams I thought may need to actually worry about relegation, finding a way to move on from the loss of Edinburgh has been difficult for the O's. If there were no compassion in football, they would probably have released Edinburgh's back-room staff and half the squad but they didn't want to do that, understandably; and finding a manager who would be willing to come into such a situation didn't work out in the end. They'll look to see this season out and see what they can do about things next year. Six points from the last nine have given them some good breathing space, and with teams below them struggling they'll probably have what it takes to maintain a gap down to relegation.

19th - Scunthorpe - 33 points
LDDLL
Russ Wilcox (caretaker)

At one point, Scunny looked like this season's Chesterfield, but for a little while it looked as though they had put their terrible start to the season well behind them. A difficult winter has seen them plummet back down the league, resulting in Hurst walking (or being sacked, it's not clear) and they go into February only slightly improved after their poor start. Still though, improvement is improvement and if they can get the next appointment right then I can't see them falling to the level of those teams who really are in the mire.

20th - Carlisle - 33 points
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Chris Beech

Many of thier own fans' favourites to go down, a poor summer and poor start to the season saw Pressley sacked in November and a lack of new manager bounce under rookie Chris Beech convinced many the board had made yet another poor appointment and relegation was inevitable. Slowly but surely, Beech has turned things around for the Cumbrians, shoring up the division's worst defence and a busy transfer window and 8 points from the last 12 leaves them feeling that 11 point gap down to Stevenage can be adequately protected. Carlisle are unlikely to get relegated but it might just happen if the delicate balance Beech has created is upset.

21st - Mansfield - 31 points
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Graham Coughlan

Mansfield's lowly position continues to surprise and confuse. An expensively assembled squad was expected to be in the automatic promotion race but under Dempster, a disappointing start to the season gradually evolved into a poor one and eventually a disastrous one. The anticipated revival of form and climb up the league never materialised and no sooner had fans accepted that they were too far behind to challenge for promotion did relegation begin to look distinctly possible, so Dempster was eventually shown the door and replaced with Coughlan. Things haven't picked up much since and there seems to be an acknowledgement that Coughlan has inherited a poor squad, albeit with a few shining gems scattered about. Most would still expect that Mansfield can't concievably do worse than the teams still below them, and that Coughlan is the right man to turn things around but you wouldn't write it off. Mansfield might go down, it would be a shocker, but not implausible.

22nd - Macclesfield - 28 points
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Mark Kennedy

But for a six point deduction, Macclesfield would be in 18th place. That's not great, and at the time the deduction happened they looked like they were defying the turmoil around the club to head for a comfortable mid-table finish. That turmoil though has now made its way onto the pitch, with two managers walking, three players having their contracts cancelled by the EFL, player strikes and ongoing uncertainty over whether they could endure a further deduction, have the six points restored or face even tougher sanctions. With these threats combined with slipping form and only a six point gap to the relegation place their goose might finally be cooked. That said though, they've still managed to widen the gap in the past three games, there is a chance they could change ownership and begin mending the wounds and they are probably a better team than either of those below them.

23rd - Morecambe - 26 points
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Derek Adams

Bentley may have finally departed, and on paper they might have just about the worst squad in the division, but Morecambe are still doing what Morecambe do and picking up unlikely seeming points each time you think the slide back into non-league has come. For a team down where they are they've had a very decent January which just shows you can never write Morecambe off. Whether they can keep doing this until they're safe is another thing; you could easily also see them going on a long losing run that sees them finally lose their league place.

24th - Stevenage - 22 points
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Graham Westley

Somewhat appropriately, Stevenage have turned to Graham Westley in the hopes that the man who go them two promotions to the league and then the dizzy heights of League One, can keep them from making the return journey (notwithstanding him also overseeing their relegation to League Two). Westley certainly backs himself, as he thinks he can get them into the Championship. His team however, have been unable to hit any kind of form, and once the Scunthorpes, Oldhams and Walsalls of the division began to pick up points, they found that there was no longer anyone worse than them to help prop them up. With all that said, there have been a few suggestions from opposing fans that they aren't the worst team down there by a long way, and that perhaps Westley can work a minor miracle and keep them up. Thrashing Cambridge 4-0 in mid-January certainly caused some concern among the other relegation threatened sides.

TLDR;

Safe: Oldham, Walsall
Almost safe: Cambridge, Grimsby
Should have enough about them: Orient, Scunthorpe
Not out of the woods yet: Carlisle, Mansfield
Relegation candidates: Macclesfield, Morecambe, Stevenage
 
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1 of the bottom 3 will go. No chance of anyone else.
 

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Morecambe seem to have improved, Stevenage are gone IMO unless Macc lose more points/players.

Mansfield upwards should be safe, Stevenage based on their average PPG will probably only just about make the 31 points Mansfield have so realistically 2-3 wins from 15/16 games would be enough for Mansfield to be sure.
 

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quote -

'Considered to have had a decent transfer window, Cambridge started the season in decent form and (1) weren't considered as relelgation candidates when I started this thread. However a nosedive in form since then has seen Calderwood shown the door and (2)U's fans begin to worry that they could drop all the way into non-league. Still though, they have a comfortable gap to danger and picked up a big win in their first game after Calderwood. (3) Cambridge should be fine'.

(1). Don't tell me you struggle with writing the word 'relegation' as well Shoddy? Like I do? :ffs:

(2). Can't speak for others but that never crossed my mind. Neither did it last year under Dunne if I'm being honest. Football is all about match results, granted, but there's more to it than just that.

(3.) That is 100% spot on. Well said.
 

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We're alright now, no way are we going to be in a relegation fight.

So good luck with staying up Stevenage, Morecambe, Macclesfield and Forest Green.
 

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Time for a little update on the runners and riders:

14th - Oldham - 36 points
DDDWW
Dino Maamria

widely fancied for the drop due to some shocking performances early season and a general sense of a club in crisis, they were already steadying the ship before Christmas following a change of manager, and have enjoyed a good January to climb up to 14th place, and 14 points clear of Stevenage. Not a chance Oldham are going down.

15th - Walsall - 36 points
LWLLL
Darrel Clarke

Still quite goal-shy, and with the division's 4th worst goal difference, the Saddlers reached a high point in December where they were in the top half of the table and 'only' 8 points off the playoffs. Since that point things have taken a turn for the worse but they're still comfortably clear of relegation; the only team in the bottom half who haven't changed manager. Walsall won't go down.

16th - Cambridge - 35 points
LLDLW
Mark Bonner (caretaker)

Considered to have had a decent transfer window, Cambridge started the season in decent form and weren't considered as relelgation candidates when I started this thread. However a nosedive in form since then has seen Calderwood shown the door and U's fans begin to worry that they could drop all the way into non-league. Still though, they have a comfortable gap to danger and picked up a big win in their first game after Calderwood. Cambridge should be fine.

17th - Grimsby - 34 points
DLLWD
Ian Holloway

Earlier on in the season Grimsby looked like a real enigma, brilliant at times and when taking into account their games in hand, a shot at the playoffs seemed as likely as relegation. They still have two of those those games in hand and technically could be only four points from the playoffs if they win them. Inconsistency though means mid-table beckons for them. Holloway has done a decent job since coming in and relegation doesn't look to be a serious concern.

18th - Orient - 34 points
LDWLW
Ross Embleton (interim)

The first of the teams I thought may need to actually worry about relegation, finding a way to move on from the loss of Edinburgh has been difficult for the O's. If there were no compassion in football, they would probably have released Edinburgh's back-room staff and half the squad but they didn't want to do that, understandably; and finding a manager who would be willing to come into such a situation didn't work out in the end. They'll look to see this season out and see what they can do about things next year. Six points from the last nine have given them some good breathing space, and with teams below them struggling they'll probably have what it takes to maintain a gap down to relegation.

19th - Scunthorpe - 33 points
LDDLL
Russ Wilcox (caretaker)

At one point, Scunny looked like this season's Chesterfield, but for a little while it looked as though they had put their terrible start to the season well behind them. A difficult winter has seen them plummet back down the league, resulting in Hurst walking (or being sacked, it's not clear) and they go into February only slightly improved after their poor start. Still though, improvement is improvement and if they can get the next appointment right then I can't see them falling to the level of those teams who really are in the mire.

20th - Carlisle - 33 points
LDWWD
Chris Beech

Many of thier own fans' favourites to go down, a poor summer and poor start to the season saw Pressley sacked in November and a lack of new manager bounce under rookie Chris Beech convinced many the board had made yet another poor appointment and relegation was inevitable. Slowly but surely, Beech has turned things around for the Cumbrians, shoring up the division's worst defence and a busy transfer window and 8 points from the last 12 leaves them feeling that 11 point gap down to Stevenage can be adequately protected. Carlisle are unlikely to get relegated but it might just happen if the delicate balance Beech has created is upset.

21st - Mansfield - 31 points
LLWLD
Graham Coughlan

Mansfield's lowly position continues to surprise and confuse. An expensively assembled squad was expected to be in the automatic promotion race but under Dempster, a disappointing start to the season gradually evolved into a poor one and eventually a disastrous one. The anticipated revival of form and climb up the league never materialised and no sooner had fans accepted that they were too far behind to challenge for promotion did relegation begin to look distinctly possible, so Dempster was eventually shown the door and replaced with Coughlan. Things haven't picked up much since and there seems to be an acknowledgement that Coughlan has inherited a poor squad, albeit with a few shining gems scattered about. Most would still expect that Mansfield can't concievably do worse than the teams still below them, and that Coughlan is the right man to turn things around but you wouldn't write it off. Mansfield might go down, it would be a shocker, but not implausible.

22nd - Macclesfield - 28 points
LDWLL
Mark Kennedy

But for a six point deduction, Macclesfield would be in 18th place. That's not great, and at the time the deduction happened they looked like they were defying the turmoil around the club to head for a comfortable mid-table finish. That turmoil though has now made its way onto the pitch, with two managers walking, three players having their contracts cancelled by the EFL, player strikes and ongoing uncertainty over whether they could endure a further deduction, have the six points restored or face even tougher sanctions. With these threats combined with slipping form and only a six point gap to the relegation place their goose might finally be cooked. That said though, they've still managed to widen the gap in the past three games, there is a chance they could change ownership and begin mending the wounds and they are probably a better team than either of those below them.

23rd - Morecambe - 26 points
WLDWL
Derek Adams

Bentley may have finally departed, and on paper they might have just about the worst squad in the division, but Morecambe are still doing what Morecambe do and picking up unlikely seeming points each time you think the slide back into non-league has come. For a team down where they are they've had a very decent January which just shows you can never write Morecambe off. Whether they can keep doing this until they're safe is another thing; you could easily also see them going on a long losing run that sees them finally lose their league place.

24th - Stevenage - 22 points
DWLLL
Graham Westley

Somewhat appropriately, Stevenage have turned to Graham Westley in the hopes that the man who go them two promotions to the league and then the dizzy heights of League One, can keep them from making the return journey (notwithstanding him also overseeing their relegation to League Two). Westley certainly backs himself, as he thinks he can get them into the Championship. His team however, have been unable to hit any kind of form, and once the Scunthorpes, Oldhams and Walsalls of the division began to pick up points, they found that there was no longer anyone worse than them to help prop them up. With all that said, there have been a few suggestions from opposing fans that they aren't the worst team down there by a long way, and that perhaps Westley can work a minor miracle and keep them up. Thrashing Cambridge 4-0 in mid-January certainly caused some concern among the other relegation threatened sides.

TLDR;

Safe: Oldham, Walsall
Almost safe: Cambridge, Grimsby
Should have enough about them: Orient, Scunthorpe
Not out of the woods yet: Carlisle, Mansfield
Relegation candidates: Macclesfield, Morecambe, Stevenage

Good summary. Embleton isn’t interim any more; he’s got the gig full time. Sink or swim for him now because the safety net of moving back to assistant has been removed.
 

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We're alright now, no way are we going to be in a relegation fight.

So good luck with staying up Stevenage, Morecambe, Macclesfield and Forest Green.

What do you mean AND FOREST GREEN we aren't involved in this we're FAR TOO GOOD as you well know having seen us outplay you last week.
 

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What do you mean AND FOREST GREEN we aren't involved in this we're FAR TOO GOOD as you well know having seen us outplay you last week.

Oh you're not safe yet Chris, you still only have 45 points.

We BEAT THE PISS out of you!

4-1 and mostly thanks to your defence being absolutely shit and how weak your players are and tactically inept your manager is.
 

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We can still go down, make no mistake about it. 8 points from 4 games was beyond my wildest dreams and it does give a good platform, but the next 3 games are extremely Lose-able so if results go against us that gap could end up pretty narrow and dodgy again.

Credit to the club though, they’ve recognised the fact we had the worst team in the football league and were certain to finish bottom and have allowed the manager to bring in 7 (or is it 8?) new players. If these players prove to be much better then we’ll have a chance of staying up.
 

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We can still go down, make no mistake about it. 8 points from 4 games was beyond my wildest dreams and it does give a good platform, but the next 3 games are extremely Lose-able so if results go against us that gap could end up pretty narrow and dodgy again.

Credit to the club though, they’ve recognised the fact we had the worst team in the football league and were certain to finish bottom and have allowed the emanager to bring in 7 (or is it 8?) new players. If these players prove to be much better then we’ll have a chance of staying up.

We are not technically "safe" no, but the fact we have strengthened our squad in January for the first time ever it seems, we should be ok especially after picking up a couple of important points lately against our rivals with promising L2 style performances.
 

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I do admire your perennial optimism HG, I really do, but you do know that you're basically 4 wins better off Boro do you? And a game in hand as well. It's a bit hard to see where those 4 Boro wins are coming from.
 

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I do admire your perennial optimism HG, I really do, but you do know that you're basically 4 wins better off Boro do you? And a game in hand as well. It's a bit hard to see where those 4 Boro wins are coming from.

After seeing Hartlepool survive in 14/15, Stevenage can this season.

They play us on the last day as well, all they need to do is be within 3 points and similar GD of us by then.

If our players really do improve us (not just on paper) and we come out of the next 3 games (Swindon, Cheltenham and Crawley) with our 11 point gap still intact then I’ll be a lot more confident.
 

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4-1 and mostly thanks to your defence being absolutely shit and how weak your players are and tactically inept your manager is.

You should just say it was because you were brilliant.
 

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If we had been top of the league with 49 points, then HG would still be looking at how many we'd need to be safe. :lol:
 

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After seeing Hartlepool survive in 14/15, Stevenage can this season.

They play us on the last day as well, all they need to do is be within 3 points and similar GD of us by then.

If our players really do improve us (not just on paper) and we come out of the next 3 games (Swindon, Cheltenham and Crawley) with our 11 point gap still intact then I’ll be a lot more confident.
Stevenage's next three games are away to Exeter and Bradford and then home to Salford. I appreciate your unrelenting realism but how many points can you see them getting from those? We could lose all three of our games and still have an 11 point gap.
 

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True, but I also had to point out just how terrible you lot were.

You looked quality though tbf, especially Thomas who always tears us a new one.

That Kayode looks good too.
 

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You looked quality though tbf, especially Thomas who always tears us a new one.

That Kayode looks good too.

Yes he looks like a good loan signing.

So I take it your club had a poor January transfer window?
 

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Alot for Stevenage now depends on the 6 players Westley brought in on deadline day IMO, because all the others that played against us on Saturday were in the main woeful - Apart from a few long range efforts they had zero spark up front and we punished them for several defensive errors.

Unless Westley can mold a team out of those newcomers, Its going to be difficult to see them turning this around - Right now there only hope is at Morecambe and Macclesfield continue to be as poor as them.

As for ourselves, we're not out of the woods yet. I just hope we don't get complacent with some favourable fixtures this month - particularly at home.
 

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Stevenage's next three games are away to Exeter and Bradford and then home to Salford. I appreciate your unrelenting realism but how many points can you see them getting from those? We could lose all three of our games and still have an 11 point gap.
Yea that’s why I said if we still have that points gap after our next 3 games then I’ll be more confident.

I’m now hopeful though, given that we’ve made so many new signings. I feared we wouldn’t and would just bring in a load more 18yr old prem/champ academy lads on loan. But I won’t be prematurely blowing my load and declaring us safe until I’ve actually had a proper look at these new players.
 

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Yea that’s why I said if we still have that points gap after our next 3 games then I’ll be more confident.

I’m now hopeful though, given that we’ve made so many new signings. I feared we wouldn’t and would just bring in a load more 18yr old prem/champ academy lads on loan. But I won’t be prematurely blowing my load and declaring us safe until I’ve actually had a proper look at these new players.
You're no longer advising people to lump their life savings on the 'ridiculously long' odds of us going down and questioning whether the bookies suspending betting is because relegation is a foregone conclusion at least.
 

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Yes he looks like a good loan signing.

So I take it your club had a poor January transfer window?

Dunno few loans and a striker out of non league. Finally got an experienced keeper even though he is a bit of a porker and conceded the first 6 shots on target he faced.
 

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You're no longer advising people to lump their life savings on the 'ridiculously long' odds of us going down and questioning whether the bookies suspending betting is because relegation is a foregone conclusion at least.

I still think it’s a good bet considering the odds. But ask me again after the Crawley away match.
 

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Dunno few loans and a striker out of non league. Finally got an experienced keeper even though he is a bit of a porker and conceded the first 6 shots on target he faced.
Logan usually has a good game against us, so now that's gone by the wayside I'm not sure what the point of him is.
 

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This season has so many parallels to last season. Poor start, improvement in form seems like we've escaped and then a massive plummet leads to relegation. Everyone on the L1 forum spent ages saying how we won't go down as we're too far clear, we proved them wrong. Thankfully for us, there is only one relegation spot which makes it harder. In Stevenage start picking up points then we will definitely be worried as we won't win many until the end of the season.
 

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This season has so many parallels to last season. Poor start, improvement in form seems like we've escaped and then a massive plummet leads to relegation. Everyone on the L1 forum spent ages saying how we won't go down as we're too far clear, we proved them wrong. Thankfully for us, there is only one relegation spot which makes it harder. In Stevenage start picking up points then we will definitely be worried as we won't win many until the end of the season.

Ahh you'll be fine.

Next season you'll be tearing the league up and getting promoted, Scunthorpe are that sort of lower league club who dont spend much time down in L2 and even have the odd shot at Championship football.
 

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Ahh you'll be fine.

Next season you'll be tearing the league up and getting promoted, Scunthorpe are that sort of lower league club who dont spend much time down in L2 and even have the odd shot at Championship football.
What a crock of shit, between 1968/69 and 2004/05 they spent 34 of those 37 years in the 4th tier. They are now back at their natural level after some years punching well above their weight.
 

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What a crock of shit, between 1968/69 and 2004/05 they spent 34 of those 37 years in the 4th tier. They are now back at their natural level after some years punching well above their weight.

Sorry I was referring to recent times, not what they were like back in nineteen dickety two.
 

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