Salford City

[Predator373]

I enjoy the programme on tv, I hope they get to the proper football league.

 

[Darlo On Tour]

They keep banging on how they are getting proper slated as being the most hated club in the National League. And coming back with everything about the acquisition of Salford City - a club that has never been in debt since its formation in 1940.

And how other clubs have the audacity to criticise their club for being built on a solid financial foundation with respectable owners who unlike theirs are in it for the long haul and have absolutely no intention of selling the club to property developers or the like with view to increasing their own personal bank balances

 

[Soup Ladle]

This is an odd one and, for obvious reasons, something I rarely bother to comment on.

Omg wtf what a surprise

I enjoy the programme on tv, I hope they get to the proper football league.

Fuck off

They're building a club and good on them. It'll be great for Salford as a city to have a football league team - who knows, with their connections it's not inconceivable they'll make the PL in good time.

Fuck off

Struggling to see why Adam Rooney would leave one of the top 3 clubs in Scotland and also in the Europa League (at the time of typing) for non league English football. I doubt money would have been a huge factor as I could imagine he would have been on similar money at Aberdeen to what Salford are currently paying him. From an outside view it looks like when you go on editor mode on Football Manager and just sign anyone and everyone with an unlimited budget. Shit for the rest of the National League as they're effectively playing for a playoff position before a ball has been kicked.

Would be ironic if some non league clogger from someone like Harrogate clattered him and injured him for the rest of the season.

Fucking hope so. And no, SPL teams outside of Rangers and Celtic don’t pay that cash

 

[Soup Ladle]

Ffs we’re paying our highest earners in the fucking pub league more than 1.5k p.w and we’re a fucking a proper club like Orient etc

They’re paying 3 times that nonsense we pay 5th division players

God I really hate those c*** denying proper teams a chance back. Just don’t get relegated lads, lesson for all of yas.

Even nice non league sides, fucking come on and stop this shite

 

[Chris FGR]

Hartlepool are finally at their natural level now. Should've been in non league 50 years ago. At least Salford won't hang around like a turd that won't flush needing to be dodgy bastards and seek re-election from their old pals about 20 times in a row to stay in the league......

That being said the kind of money Salford are spunking up the wall is ludicrous. You don't need to spend that much to get out of the National League. We never spent anything like that, and our budget now is one of the smaller ones at this level.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Ffs we’re paying our highest earners in the fucking pub league more than 1.5k p.w and we’re a fucking a proper club like Orient etc

They’re paying 3 times that nonsense we pay 5th division players

God I really hate those c*** denying proper teams a chance back. Just don’t get relegated lads, lesson for all of yas.

Even nice non league sides, fucking come on and stop this shite

Yup, don’t get relegated#stain#clubhistorylowpoint

 

[Youpies]

Only Morecambe (of league two) had a lower average attendance than Salford City.

 

[UTS]

The thing that goes against Salford currently is their stadium. There is pretty much no parking. Only street parking. This limits them to 5,000 capacity unless they move, most likely to the AJ Bell stadium.

Their current stadium is literally metres away from being in Bury. Another unwanted competitor, at least F.C. United buggered off.

In terms of fan base I don’t know how viable it is, Salford is rough as arseholes and is very Manchester-centric, IE everyone either supports City or United. If they started supporting Salford it would be as a second team.

 

[Huntsman94]

The money they’re throwing around is mad but at the same time you have to question the ambitions of players moving from a Scottish Prem team in Europe to the 5th division in England!

That said Danny Lloyd is on 3k a week and got a signing on bonus of 100k so not sure they’re too arsed about their personal rep when they’re getting those figures...

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Money>Ambition at that level

 

[northstandexile]

I thought this was a League Two messageboard.

 

[Agombar stool]

I'm not suggesting it's ludicrous based on population, location or anything else like that. I just hate the whole premise. They'll be another club born out of riches with plenty queuing up to call them out as a joke.

Sadly in this 'sky' era of billions and billions of pounds, this is going to be a recurring, and more common theme, season after season.

One of the reasons I feel like I am falling out of love with the game really.

 

[Agombar stool]

For example, Bournemouth absolutely lashed money at getting into the Premier League and are seen as a 'fairytale story' despite being bankrolled to the hilt.

Fairytale, my backside.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

For example, Bournemouth absolutely lashed money at getting into the Premier League and are seen as a 'fairytale story' despite being bankrolled to the hilt.

Fairytale, my backside.

Yup, totally agree that’s just typical national (BBC) lazy journalism. They used to be regular equal ability rivals to the likes of Swindon n Notts in L1 and then all of a sudden it’s all eddie Howe this Eddie Howe that.... minimal mention of Russian money. I like Eddie Howe a lot btw

Just when the media were convinced for season after season that Lee Clark was an up and coming talented young manager even though he failed to get promotion with Huddersfield even when big cash was given to him.

 

[Abertawe]

So what we have an established order and no other club should dare unsettle it? What a pile of nonsense - do you know how PL some of you sound?

Clubs come and go - like all things it's a cycle. Many present league clubs are only where they are because of wealthy backers from back in the day anyway which makes the ignorance and hypocrisy ever the more astounding - there plenty of clubs established before these present ones that were overtaken because they couldn't compete or didn't rub the right backs - that is life.

Long Eaton Rangers
Bootle
Darwen
Birmingham St Georges
Bradford Park Avenue
Merthyr
Nelson
Mexborough
Loughborough

Loads of other examples too.

 

[UTS]

So what we have an established order and no other club should dare unsettle it? What a pile of nonsense - do you know how PL some of you sound?

Clubs come and go - like all things it's a cycle. Many present league clubs are only where they are because of wealthy backers from back in the day anyway which makes the ignorance and hypocrisy ever the more astounding - there plenty of clubs established before these present ones that were overtaken because they couldn't compete or didn't rub the right backs - that is life.

Long Eaton Rangers
Bootle
Darwen
Birmingham St Georges
Bradford Park Avenue
Merthyr
Nelson
Mexborough
Loughborough

Loads of other examples too.

There’s a way of doing things.

 

[Agombar stool]

Yup, totally agree that’s just typical national (BBC) lazy journalism. They used to be regular equal ability rivals to the likes of Swindon n Notts in L1 and then all of a sudden it’s all eddie Howe this Eddie Howe that.... minimal mention of Russian money. I like Eddie Howe a lot btw

Just when the media were convinced for season after season that Lee Clark was an up and coming talented young manager even though he failed to get promotion with Huddersfield even when big cash was given to him.

Couldn't agree more VM. Where is Lee Clark now?

 

[Abertawe]

There’s a way of doing things.

Not true. So long as you don't take over an already established club and move it to a different location then all is fair. Salford is the fastest growing population and economy outside of London - it's time people got with the script.

 

[Greenacres]

There’s a way of doing things.

Sort of, but it generally amounts to someone wanting to invest in a football club for whatever reason and either preserve or improve its status. The investor may be a long term fan of the particular team, in which case they have some sort of emotional connection and their involvement is probably more philanthropic than anything else, or possibly a local businessman who wants to use it as an advertising tool, or someone with other intentions entirely (these may not always be noble or in the best interests of the club).

I agree with Abertawe, clubs come and go, would we rather football became an exclusive club where nobody is relegated from the Premier League, or possibly to below the Championship. At least we are all following teams who can dream of promotion to that level, for most it is a dream but for some it will become reality. I am old enough to remember the likes of Cardiff, Fulham, Brighton, Wolves and Watford all playing in the division where our clubs play...but look at where they are now. Long may that continue.

 

[Tranmerewhite]

For example, Bournemouth absolutely lashed money at getting into the Premier League and are seen as a 'fairytale story' despite being bankrolled to the hilt.

Fairytale, my backside.

They’re not a fairytale though are they. They could come into this league and only be bigger than Morecambe, Macclesfield and FGR.

 

[Son of Cod]

Putting money aside, the Salford smug levels are through the roof. That BBC documentary series about how Gary Neville created non-league football and all those starry eyed Mancs are pulling together for the commyoona-teh can fuck off. Mmmmmm close your eyes and smell the grassroots people, because your club doesn't have this special bond that we do.

There are plenty of examples of smaller, lesser fancied teams beating money bags/big former FL teams to the title in the National League. Macclesfield, Lincoln, Cheltenham, Barnet.

Macclesfield yes, but the others not so much. All had sizeable budgets. Cheltenham spent a fair bit on wages and brought key players in in January and didn't really have a moneybags to compete with, FGR would have been the closest maybe but I'd imagine Cheltenham outspent them over the course of the season. I'd be surprised if Barnet didn't have a top 2 budget when they won it too, they did generate a lot of money themselves through their non-matchday endeavours though. Lincoln again, although they did well, I'd have thought they didn't spend that much less than Tranmere and/or FGR. The sad truth is that when you chuck money at it, the title is definitely buyable. Fleetwood, Crawley and Luton never looked like losing the title all season long in their respective promotion seasons and more often than not a team with a top 5 budget wins the playoffs.

 

[UTS]

Sort of, but it generally amounts to someone wanting to invest in a football club for whatever reason and either preserve or improve its status. The investor may be a long term fan of the particular team, in which case they have some sort of emotional connection and their involvement is probably more philanthropic than anything else, or possibly a local businessman who wants to use it as an advertising tool, or someone with other intentions entirely (these may not always be noble or in the best interests of the club).

I agree with Abertawe, clubs come and go, would we rather football became an exclusive club where nobody is relegated from the Premier League, or possibly to below the Championship. At least we are all following teams who can dream of promotion to that level, for most it is a dream but for some it will become reality. I am old enough to remember the likes of Cardiff, Fulham, Brighton, Wolves and Watford all playing in the division where our clubs play...but look at where they are now. Long may that continue.

I’ve got no objection to coming and going of clubs, never said that. But surely it’s best to do it via natural progression, rather than dragging a club unnaturally through the league system at the expense of other clubs.

 

[Tranmerewhite]

Putting money aside, the Salford smug levels are through the roof. That BBC documentary series about how Gary Neville created non-league football and all those starry eyed Mancs are pulling together for the commyoona-teh can fuck off. Mmmmmm close your eyes and smell the grassroots people, because your club doesn't have this special bond that we do.


Macclesfield yes, but the others not so much. All had sizeable budgets. Cheltenham spent a fair bit on wages and brought key players in in January and didn't really have a moneybags to compete with, FGR would have been the closest maybe but I'd imagjne Cheltenham outspent them. I'd be surprised if Barnet didn't have a top 2 budget when they won it too, they did generate a lot of money themselves through their non-matchday endeavours though. Lincoln again, although they did well, I'd have thought they didn't spemnd that muc

AFAIK

FGR spent £1.8m in 15/16 & £2.1m in 16/17
Lincoln was £700k but I believe rose to £1.1m by season end following cup run etc
We were £1.2m in 16/17 and £1.3m in 17/18

Salford anywhere £3 to £4m.

 

[Greenacres]

I’ve got no objection to coming and going of clubs, never said that. But surely it’s best to do it via natural progression, rather than dragging a club unnaturally through the league system at the expense of other clubs.

I understand totally, but the question really is how you define natural progression. Getting a club from the National League isn't cheap, as the figures provided by Tranmerewhite suggest, but taking the next step or achieving promotion to the Championship must be astronomical in comparison. I would suggest that clubs promoted to the Football League will find a natural level, although a few will possibly exceed expectations, to a degree Burton and Crawley.

As for doing something at the expense of others, surely that is just life in general, if something is badly run or non-competitive then it will either fail completely or find a level where it is competitive.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

They’re non league!! Who cares ? Until they reach the EFL they can enjoy the odd cup upset and that’s ya lot

 

[Abertawe]

I’ve got no objection to coming and going of clubs, never said that. But surely it’s best to do it via natural progression, rather than dragging a club unnaturally through the league system at the expense of other clubs.

LOL

BURY Football Club can trace their roots back to the current Royal Bank of Scotland building on The Rock.

It was there, in the then White Horse Hotel, that the public meeting took place from which the club was born.

The day, Friday, April 24 ,1885, was the culmination of a number of meetings aimed at founding a club after local folk had seen how the sport had taken off in towns such as Sheffield and Bolton.
Bury was a rugby town back then, but there were still a number of established association teams playing before the club was formed. Bury Wesleyans were the town’s premier club and competed with Bury Unitarians, Bury Rovers, Bury Tradesmen, Bury North End, Bury Coffee House and Gigg Rovers.

 

[Laker]

Abertawe is obviously going to defend financial steroids since his own club is a prime example of one that has done the same. ;-)

In truth I don’t mind that much. My club is still my club and I’m happy we’re not one of “those” with a wealthy chairman. But we’ve made massive losses in recent years - isn’t out board putting cash in to cover a loss a form of financial doping? Ok our debt hasn’t come about due to outrageous sums being spent on players but still.... where do you draw the line?

That said, the amount Salford are spending is insane.

 

[Craig]

No i'm serious. I may even catch some games and put into this project. Some should appreciate the cycle - this is Salford's time to rise up and shoot for the stars.

If you're looking for a Manchester based non-league club to follow then I'd suggest West Didsbury & Chorlton AFC to you. I hear they have a beer shed.

 

[Abertawe]

Abertawe is obviously going to defend financial steroids since his own club is a prime example of one that has done the same. ;-)

Tongue in cheek? Confused if not - our rise was the complete opposite.

If you're looking for a Manchester based non-league club to follow then I'd suggest West Didsbury & Chorlton AFC to you. I hear they have a beer shed.

My mind is made up. I've lived in Swansea, Stoke, Stockport & Salford - the sharing of initials cannot be a coincidence. This season all four clubs shall receive my support.

 

[Son of Cod]

Tongue in cheek? Confused if not - our rise was the complete opposite.

I thought you were given your stadium by the council?