Salford City

[Carver]

What's the point of Salford City. Not like they'll ever get a proper fan base

Their fan base is the BBC.

 

[Abertawe]

I thought you were given your stadium by the council?

Nothing wrong with a little state aid.

 

[Laker]

Tongue in cheek? Confused if not - our rise was the complete opposite.


My mind is made up. I've lived in Swansea, Stoke, Stockport & Salford - the sharing of initials cannot be a coincidence. This season all four clubs shall receive my support.

I mean, I did stick a wink smiley after my comment but you can take it how you want since I now know about your stadium dope.

 

[Son of Cod]

Idea for a three part documentary TV show: Class of 05/06
Premise: Jamie Forrester, Ben Futcher, Simon Yeo, Jean Paul Kamudimba-Kalala and an Armenian billionaire who made his wealth from a chain of Spalding based gift card shops form a consortium to buy and take over Gainsborough Trinity.

Episode One: The consortium get used to their new roles and meet the local volunteers mucking in and keeping the club alive. Jamie Forrester fixes a drainpipe and declares the community spirit of the club greater than any other club he has worked at. Crowds are dwindling but a bit of PR with the Cowleys and the consortium manages to quadruple attendances with a fantastic season ticket offer exclusively available to the thousands of Lincoln City fans on their own club's season ticket waiting list. The club sign up the entire Fleetwood youth and reserve team on a season long loan and bring in Gareth Seddon on a free transfer.

Episode Two: Gareth Seddon is firing on all cylinders and Gainsborough are top of the Northern Premier League, but all is not well off the pitch. The original supporters of Trinity call a meeting with the consortium to explain that they don't approve of the direction the club is going. Ben Futcher tells them all to piss off if they don't like it and Jamie Forrester issues a Twitter statement declaring that the community vibe and family feel of the club has never been stronger. Trinity sign David Vaughan and Mo Eisa for a combined total of £3m and on the same day announce an exciting new sponsorship deal with a Spalding based gift card shop.

Episode Three: Five years later. Trinity are on the brink of promotion to the EFL but disaster strikes. The Cowleys, who have just guided Lincoln to their first Premier League title, have landed the England job and as a result crowds at Lincoln plummet and the club free falls. This causes all the new Trinity fans previously on the Lincoln season ticket waiting list to abandon their new club and finally get their chance snap up the newly available Lincoln season tickets. Jamie Forrester claims they will get through this due to the strong sense of community and spirit but almost everyone else downs tools leaving a threadbare squad to face Boreham Wood in the playoff final at Wembley infront of 216 spectators. Gareth Seddon picks up an injury in the first half meaning Jamie Forrester has to come off the bench and play the rest of the game. Trinity are hammered 7-2 and Jamie Forrester and the consortium give up and call it a day.

 

[Vanni]

Ffs we’re paying our highest earners in the fucking pub league more than 1.5k p.w and we’re a fucking a proper club like Orient etc

They’re paying 3 times that nonsense we pay 5th division players

God I really hate those c*** denying proper teams a chance back. Just don’t get relegated lads, lesson for all of yas.

Even nice non league sides, fucking come on and stop this shite

I think 'ex league club' is a more fitting description than 'proper club' no? That's what I used to say to those chaps who'd tell me 'you're a proper club and I hope you lot go back up' back in the NL days. It seems to me the only criteria that clubs need to have to be termed 'a proper club' is that they were a FL side in 1987. Sounds ridiculous if you ask me, as back then a handful of clubs were only getting a tad over 1000 home fans while a few big NL sides were easily getting twice that number.

Oh btw, I thought you weren't one for this proper club bullshit Soup. That's the impression I got reading some of your posts in the NL forum

 

[Steve_Wafc]

Idea for a three part documentary TV show: Class of 05/06
Premise: Jamie Forrester, Ben Futcher, Simon Yeo, Jean Paul Kamudimba-Kalala and an Armenian billionaire who made his wealth from a chain of Spalding based gift card shops form a consortium to buy and take over Gainsborough Trinity.

Episode One: The consortium get used to their new roles and meet the local volunteers mucking in and keeping the club alive. Jamie Forrester fixes a drainpipe and declares the community spirit of the club greater than any other club he has worked at. Crowds are dwindling but a bit of PR with the Cowleys and the consortium manages to quadruple attendances with a fantastic season ticket offer exclusively available to the thousands of Lincoln City fans on their own club's season ticket waiting list. The club sign up the entire Fleetwood youth and reserve team on a season long loan and bring in Gareth Seddon on a free transfer.

Episode Two: Gareth Seddon is firing on all cylinders and Gainsborough are top of the Northern Premier League, but all is not well off the pitch. The original supporters of Trinity call a meeting with the consortium to explain that they don't approve of the direction the club is going. Ben Futcher tells them all to piss off if they don't like it and Jamie Forrester issues a Twitter statement declaring that the community vibe and family feel of the club has never been stronger. Trinity sign David Vaughan and Mo Eisa for a combined total of £3m and on the same day announce an exciting new sponsorship deal with a Spalding based gift card shop.

Episode Three: Five years later. Trinity are on the brink of promotion to the EFL but disaster strikes. The Cowleys, who have just guided Lincoln to their first Premier League title, have landed the England job and as a result crowds at Lincoln plummet and the club free falls. This causes all the new Trinity fans previously on the Lincoln season ticket waiting list to abandon their new club and finally get their chance snap up the newly available Lincoln season tickets. Jamie Forrester claims they will get through this due to the strong sense of community and spirit but almost everyone else downs tools leaving a threadbare squad to face Boreham Wood in the playoff final at Wembley infront of 216 spectators. Gareth Seddon picks up an injury in the first half meaning Jamie Forrester has to come off the bench and play the rest of the game. Trinity are hammered 7-2 and Jamie Forrester and the consortium give up and call it a day.

If you think that I’d ever watch that, then you’re absolutely right.

 

[Predator373]

Fuck off

No. Come on Salford

 

[Vanni]

https://www.onefootballforum.co.uk/...how-much-4-spends-on-grooming-products.15359/

Son of Cod I think you should devote your time to finishing this or even better, start a new thread, before embarking on more projects. Some managers have moved on but the Cowleys are still around. I admit I still think of Bentley's little fella when I come across Morecambe's badge on the web

 

[Soup Ladle]

I think 'ex league club' is a more fitting description than 'proper club' no? That's what I used to say to those chaps who'd tell me 'you're a proper club and I hope you lot go back up' back in the NL days. It seems to me the only criteria that clubs need to have to be termed 'a proper club' is that they were a FL side in 1987. Sounds ridiculous if you ask me, as back then a handful of clubs were only getting a tad over 1000 home fans while a few big NL sides were easily getting twice that number.

Oh btw, I thought you weren't one for this proper club bullshit Soup. That's the impression I got reading some of your posts in the NL forum

I’m just generally angry with life at the minute and £Alford aren’t helping

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

It’s nice to follow the results of a non league side, give them some support from a higher echelon.

In fact it wasn’t long ago that I did the same with Mansfield Town FC for a few seasons during their Blue Square phase

 

[Chris FGR]

It’s nice to follow the results of a non league side, give them some support from a higher echelon.

In fact it wasn’t long ago that I did the same with Mansfield Town FC for a few seasons during their Blue Square phase

Will you be doing the same with Chesterfield?

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

My only main worry about Salford is I have a feeling it is Man Utd trying to get a B team into the FL and it is why they ain’t bothered with the checks crap.

Keep eye out when they get into FL for dodgy looking transfers or loans between both....of so they need expelled or other may follow

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Will you be doing the same with Chesterfield?

Quite possibly as I like to keep an eye on local East Midlands non league outfits, it’s either them or sticking with Torquay following their further relegation

 

[Gladders]

Quite possibly as I like to keep an eye on local East Midlands non league outfits, it’s either them or sticking with Torquay following their further relegation

FYI Torquay isn't in the East Midlands

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

FYI Torquay isn't in the East Midlands

I know it’s in Devon, I’ve been*

See it’s not just awe inspiring worldwide bucket list travel. I do a little of the UK too


* - for football reasons naturally

 

[Fuzzyvalefan]

Three words spring to mind: Rushden and Diamonds. Without a long established committed fan base to back it up these vanity projects can go tits up very quickly once the money dries up.

 

[hellogregory]

Salford is a huge place. You’d think it’s more sustainable than Rushden & Diamonds. I know there are huge clubs around, but still, they should be able to attract enough to sustain a league club.

Still sickening though that they are probably going to buy their place in the league while we go the other way.

 

[Abertawe]

Three words spring to mind: Rushden and Diamonds. Without a long established committed fan base to back it up these vanity projects can go tits up very quickly once the money dries up.

Port Vale was a vanity project and my guess is it won't be long until Salford average more than Vale.

 

[Conker]

Population of Salford is around 240,000. That s plenty of people to support a football club.
Derby has 250,000, Ipswich 144,000.
With a chairman who's a multi billionaire it looks a matter of time before they become a league team.

It doesn’t really work like that though, does it?

Crawley were probably not far behind that in terms of spending cash to be fair, they chucked around six figure fees for fun that summer.

It usually works if you have a good manager along with the money which to be fair Salford do.

 

[Super_horns]

Three words spring to mind: Rushden and Diamonds. Without a long established committed fan base to back it up these vanity projects can go tits up very quickly once the money dries up.

I doubt the "Man U 5" (well its probably only Gary Neville taking the bulk of the interest and investment) will go anywhere fast - that might be the difference.

Their ego and local pride would be such that they'd love to take a team up and build on such success - if that happens.

Not sure why GNev claimed the Accrington chairman wanted a franchise league when Accrington themselves upset the odds to get promoted and achieve what they have.

 

[Dan_Macclad]

I like Neville. But he's being a tool with all these twitter spats.

 

[Dan_Macclad]

Regarding attendances. Salford Reds struggle to get 2,000 in super league so I'd be interested what the football team get over time.

 

[RLC]

So what we have an established order and no other club should dare unsettle it? What a pile of nonsense - do you know how PL some of you sound?

Clubs come and go - like all things it's a cycle. Many present league clubs are only where they are because of wealthy backers from back in the day anyway which makes the ignorance and hypocrisy ever the more astounding - there plenty of clubs established before these present ones that were overtaken because they couldn't compete or didn't rub the right backs - that is life.

Long Eaton Rangers
Bootle
Darwen
Birmingham St Georges
Bradford Park Avenue
Merthyr
Nelson
Mexborough
Loughborough

Loads of other examples too.

There is no historical precedent for the levels of money being spent in non league football by clubs like Salford though. The amount of money in the game at higher levels has completely changed the context.

The majority of established league clubs did not materialise overnight because of chairmen throwing cash at a club over three or four seasons. We were a cricket club originally, then a football club in one of the game's heartlands and became one of the most successful teams in the Combination / Central League over a couple of decades, organically growing a support base over that time. The story of most clubs in the late nineteenth, early twentieth centuries will be similar.

Every lower league supporter accepts that some cubs have more money than others at different periods in their history, and to a great extent that determines success. But what is happening at Salford is completely different. It is much more similar to the US franchise model of sports, where clubs are empty shells that are bought and sold and don't have any real grounding in their communities, and the current club has no relation to the history of the former club. All that matters is the wealth of the owner.

 

[Abertawe]

There is no historical precedent for the levels of money being spent in non league football by clubs like Salford though. The amount of money in the game at higher levels has completely changed the context.

The majority of established league clubs did not materialise overnight because of chairmen throwing cash at a club over three or four seasons. We were a cricket club originally, then a football club in one of the game's heartlands and became one of the most successful teams in the Combination / Central League over a couple of decades, organically growing a support base over that time. The story of most clubs in the late nineteenth, early twentieth centuries will be similar.

Every lower league supporter accepts that some cubs have more money than others at different periods in their history, and to a great extent that determines success. But what is happening at Salford is completely different. It is much more similar to the US franchise model of sports, where clubs are empty shells that are bought and sold and don't have any real grounding in their communities, and the current club has no relation to the history of the former club. All that matters is the wealth of the owner.

No - you're chatting shit.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

The weird thing about Salford currently is more 'why' they are going this route.

the actual beginning of their 'project' was not too bad an idea, local big name footballers who wanted to boost the academy and grassroot development in the area and then push Salford into a decent position so these local players can develop at a good level.

but all that stuff takes a hell of alot of time, and all the investment goes elsewhere.......suddenly it all changed into the complete opposite, just throwing money at it, trying to latch onto any big local teams they can for profile and absolutely nothing of it now looks long-term........something changed in their ideas from what they took it over for to now, its why i worry this is going to be a b team (but hope wrong on that)

They should be careful because their money man is not the players (who won't jump ship) its just a billionaire doing a favour for his friend Neville who could easily ditch it all at a whim

 

[RLC]

No - you're chatting shit.

Thanks for that detailed demolition of my argument.

 

[UTS]

Regarding attendances. Salford Reds struggle to get 2,000 in super league so I'd be interested what the football team get over time.

Bury born and bred Neville is showing himself to be a grade A twat. He’s got a club on his doorstep in Bury and decides to pump money in Salford instead.

Not saying this just because I’m a Bury fan either... he could be from Rochdale/Bolton and I’d still feel the same.

What is it with Man U fans and their spin off clubs?

 

[Stringy]

This situation makes me sick. Our owner is only worth 80m, and they are throwing around whatever they want!

 

[Abertawe]

Thanks for that detailed demolition of my argument.

I'm sorry. There was no need to be disrespectful. Please see below your words in blue with my replies in the default colour.

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The majority of established league clubs did not materialise overnight because of chairmen throwing cash at a club over three or four seasons.

But a lot did. The freemason who fell out with Everton and so founded Liverpool. Gus Mears who set up Chelsea. John Henry Davies gave Manchester united their name and colours. Tranmere with their wealthy businessman/politician.

There is no historical precedent for the levels of money being spent in non league football by clubs like Salford though. The amount of money in the game at higher levels has completely changed the context.

I don't understand the relevance to this tbh. Other clubs have spent their way through the non-leagues - the fact Salford are following a blueprint with resources not seen before is neither here nor there. To me it's just common sense to achieve your aims asap.

We were a cricket club originally, then a football club in one of the game's heartlands and became one of the most successful teams in the Combination / Central League over a couple of decades, organically growing a support base over that time. The story of most clubs in the late nineteenth, early twentieth centuries will be similar.

By your own admission success allowed for you to "organically grow a support base" so why deny Salford the right to grow from their success?

Every lower league supporter accepts that some cubs have more money than others at different periods in their history, and to a great extent that determines success. But what is happening at Salford is completely different.

Wiki says that since your inception you were funded by a wealthy businessman & politician by the name James McGaul up until 1912 when you took the step of becoming a private limited company - comprising of several money men. Not far from you around the same time Bootle F.C disbanded because they had no monies and couldn't compete with clubs such as Tranmere who did have the monies. Like what the fuck man can you not see?

It is much more similar to the US franchise model of sports, where clubs are empty shells that are bought and sold and don't have any real grounding in their communities, and the current club has no relation to the history of the former club. All that matters is the wealth of the owner.

Your history like many clubs is that of a franchise. You were called Belmont. The original Tranmere Rovers folded. You nicked the name and moved stadium. All of this made possible because of your wealthy owners. Is that really organic?

It's a cycle. If Salford run the course and last 100 years competing in the FL will they be a proper club?

 

[Back in the DHSS]

I'm sorry. There was no need to be disrespectful. Please see below your words in blue with my replies in the default colour.

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The majority of established league clubs did not materialise overnight because of chairmen throwing cash at a club over three or four seasons.

But a lot did. The freemason who fell out with Everton and so founded Liverpool. Gus Mears who set up Chelsea. John Henry Davies gave Manchester united their name and colours. Tranmere with their wealthy businessman/politician.

There is no historical precedent for the levels of money being spent in non league football by clubs like Salford though. The amount of money in the game at higher levels has completely changed the context.

I don't understand the relevance to this tbh. Other clubs have spent their way through the non-leagues - the fact Salford are following a blueprint with resources not seen before is neither here nor there. To me it's just common sense to achieve your aims asap.

We were a cricket club originally, then a football club in one of the game's heartlands and became one of the most successful teams in the Combination / Central League over a couple of decades, organically growing a support base over that time. The story of most clubs in the late nineteenth, early twentieth centuries will be similar.

By your own admission success allowed for you to "organically grow a support base" so why deny Salford the right to grow from their success?

Every lower league supporter accepts that some cubs have more money than others at different periods in their history, and to a great extent that determines success. But what is happening at Salford is completely different.

Wiki says that since your inception you were funded by a wealthy businessman & politician by the name James McGaul up until 1912 when you took the step of becoming a private limited company - comprising of several money men. Not far from you around the same time Bootle F.C disbanded because they had no monies and couldn't compete with clubs such as Tranmere who did have the monies. Like what the fuck man can you not see?

It is much more similar to the US franchise model of sports, where clubs are empty shells that are bought and sold and don't have any real grounding in their communities, and the current club has no relation to the history of the former club. All that matters is the wealth of the owner.

Your history like many clubs is that of a franchise. You were called Belmont. The original Tranmere Rovers folded. You nicked the name and moved stadium. All of this made possible because of your wealthy owners. Is that really organic?

It's a cycle. If Salford run the course and last 100 years competing in the FL will they be a proper club?

What utter tripe!