Salford City

[Chris FGR]

Yeah, Carl Winchester only signed up because he wants to be a big part of the FGR journey, nothing at all whatsoever to do with money.

I've heard from a very reliable sauce that he's actually taken a pay cut to come here.

 

[RLC]

Well if we're playing the black is white & white is black game then we are stuck. McGaul was a member of the gentry and practically owned Birkenhead - bog standard my arse

Er, I think you will find that most club owners are wealthy and middle class, whatever ownership model they have. McGaul was and our current owners are. It does not mean they are bankrolling the club with ludicrous sums like Salford.

As it happens, McGaul's major financial contribution to us in our formative years was to buy us two sets of goalposts and some footballs. Clearly hideous bankrolling by any standard.

 

[GTFCfish]

Attention seeking posters tend to go away if ignored.

That is all.

Gutter white trash with lowered IQ's from a lifetime of eating an artificial processed diet will make irrelevant comments because they're incapable of processing more than a paragraph at any one time. Your artificially lowered IQ and your dying neural plasticity should stick to twitter as it handles your enthrallment deficiencies better.

That is all.

How did you know I was talking about you?

 

[Si Robin]

I've heard from a very reliable sauce that he's actually taken a pay cut to come here.

I won't pretend I know what he's on, but from what I've heard, it wasn't so much the wage that was the big factor, more the "astronomical" signing on fee he received.

Has he actually been interviewed since you signed him?

I should make my position clear on this - I do not for a second begrudge him going, especially for the money - it's a job and he has to do what's best for him and his family. I just wish clubs and players were up front about things - even Bob Hunt said he's gone for the money on Radio Glos.

 

[Chris FGR]

I won't pretend I know what he's on, but from what I've heard, it wasn't so much the wage that was the big factor, more the "astronomical" signing on fee he received.

Has he actually been interviewed since you signed him?

Might be a way of getting around FFP?

He has been interviewed, said the standard stuff, attracted by the club's ambition/style of play/manager etc.

 

[Abertawe]

Er, I think you will find that most club owners are wealthy and middle class, whatever ownership model they have. McGaul was and our current owners are. It does not mean they are bankrolling the club with ludicrous sums like Salford.

As it happens, McGaul's major financial contribution to us in our formative years was to buy us two sets of goalposts and some footballs. Clearly hideous bankrolling by any standard.

I can only suggest you read up on your history a bit more. McGaul did a whole load more than buying goalposts and some footballs. Stop down playing it - what a way to disrespect the man that made your club. He was the boss of Birkenhead - he was levels above wealthy/middle class.

 

[shoddycollins]

Salford is a suburb of Manchester in all but name, using the population of Salford to support an argument that they could build a proper fan-base is like wondering how the small town of Stretford has managed to support a top Premiership club. It's all technically not Manchester, but in essence, it's all just Manchester. Case in point Salford's new stadium isn't even in Salford, it's just about within the boundaries of the City of Salford, but on the wrong side of the Irwell so not Salford really. Man City meanwhile, practically in Droylsden.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Until they reach L2, they don’t register with me. Non non-league story

 

[Abertawe]

Salford is a suburb of Manchester in all but name, using the population of Salford to support an argument that they could build a proper fan-base is like wondering how the small town of Stretford has managed to support a top Premiership club. It's all technically not Manchester, but in essence, it's all just Manchester. Case in point Salford's new stadium isn't even in Salford, it's just about within the boundaries of the City of Salford, but on the wrong side of the Irwell so not Salford really. Man City meanwhile, practically in Droylsden.

There isn't a team serving the west of the area though. South you've got Stockport, east there's Oldham, north has a choice of Bury & Rochdale and then north west there's Bolton.

If you look at the map draw a slightly north curved line from Prestwich to Westhoughton, then down to Leigh, head back west to Eccles and then connect up with Prestwich again. That can be their area. Having lived in Salford there is a distinctive identity that comes with the people who call it home - most will correct you if you refer to them as Mancunians. They don't hate Manchester or anything like that but there's a subtle difference.

If they do the right work then there is no reason they can't average the 5,100 capacity of their stadium in League 2. Based on last season that would make them the 7th most supported team in the division. For comparison Bury & Rochdale in League 1, averaged 3,900 & 3,500.

 

[Posh Harry]

Salford is a suburb of Manchester in all but name, using the population of Salford to support an argument that they could build a proper fan-base is like wondering how the small town of Stretford has managed to support a top Premiership club. It's all technically not Manchester, but in essence, it's all just Manchester. Case in point Salford's new stadium isn't even in Salford, it's just about within the boundaries of the City of Salford, but on the wrong side of the Irwell so not Salford really. Man City meanwhile, practically in Droylsden.

All the best teams play in a different location to their name don’t they

 

[T.A]

There isn't a team serving the west of the area though. South you've got Stockport, east there's Oldham, north has a choice of Bury & Rochdale and then north west there's Bolton.

If you look at the map draw a slightly north curved line from Prestwich to Westhoughton, then down to Leigh, head back west to Eccles and then connect up with Prestwich again. That can be their area. Having lived in Salford there is a distinctive identity that comes with the people who call it home - most will correct you if you refer to them as Mancunians. They don't hate Manchester or anything like that but there's a subtle difference.

If they do the right work then there is no reason they can't average the 5,100 capacity of their stadium in League 2. Based on last season that would make them the 7th most supported team in the division. For comparison Bury & Rochdale in League 1, averaged 3,900 & 3,500.

They aren’t going to jump up from 1600 to 5000 in any short amount of time.

 

[Abertawe]

They aren’t going to jump up from 1600 to 5000 in any short amount of time.

Aye they will - it might take quid for kids but if they handle the marketing and do everything right they should achieve it.

 

[T.A]

Aye they will - it might take quid for kids but if they handle the marketing and do everything right they should achieve it.

Oh wow a one off game which any league club could probably achieve. They will not average 5,000

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

This a golden stuff I tells ya, golden.

Once they arrive in the football league, then we’ll discuss properly. Until then, ur just non league

 

[shoddycollins]

There isn't a team serving the west of the area though. South you've got Stockport, east there's Oldham, north has a choice of Bury & Rochdale and then north west there's Bolton.

If you look at the map draw a slightly north curved line from Prestwich to Westhoughton, then down to Leigh, head back west to Eccles and then connect up with Prestwich again. That can be their area. Having lived in Salford there is a distinctive identity that comes with the people who call it home - most will correct you if you refer to them as Mancunians. They don't hate Manchester or anything like that but there's a subtle difference.

If they do the right work then there is no reason they can't average the 5,100 capacity of their stadium in League 2. Based on last season that would make them the 7th most supported team in the division. For comparison Bury & Rochdale in League 1, averaged 3,900 & 3,500.

They may insist on Salford's own unique identity but I can't see them abandoning ManU and Man City just because Salford now has its own professional football club, and a lot of those places you suggest on the outer edge of Greater Manchester are thoroughly Rugby League territory, football? In Leigh? Are you mad?

The only way they'd get 5,000 would be through outrageous offers which would make it even more of a cash-drain for Peter Lim, and none of those would be proper fans, just Man U fans who will abandon them the minute they have a mediocre season.

 

[Abertawe]

They may insist on Salford's own unique identity but I can't see them abandoning ManU and Man City just because Salford now has its own professional football club, and a lot of those places you suggest on the outer edge of Greater Manchester are thoroughly Rugby League territory, football? In Leigh? Are you mad?

The only way they'd get 5,000 would be through outrageous offers which would make it even more of a cash-drain for Peter Lim, and none of those would be proper fans, just Man U fans who will abandon them the minute they have a mediocre season.

What percentage of citeh/united fans in Salford's catchment go games? They have the numbers to do it.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

Why do you care so much? Are you from Salford originally? Lived there for a considerable time ?

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

While I can appreciate abertawe points, it won’t happen regular for them due to the location of ground, train and tram are a good 15-20 min walk from ground and while bus is ok it’s not ideal and car parking is restricted.

And too many places show Man Utd or Man City in pubs if either play sat at 3pm which is the killer.

Curzon have been offering cheap deals for two seasons to try attracting people as they rose up leagues and it just only does for a choice game...........granted for Curzon they have Man City about 6 team stops away.

Plus just walking around their Prestwich area on the 3 times visited..........it simply does not feel a football area, all big large houses, Limited working class.

 

[Casey]

Nearly every team buys the league. Exceptions to the rule of course but the teams at the top tend to be the ones with the biggest wage budget. The argument that some clubs are bigger and therefore are "allowed" to spend more is neither here nor there. It's still buying the league.

Just for comparisons sake. Ben Smith is the only player from our conference team that published his salary (in his book, great read). He would not have been the highest earner but far from the lowest. From memory he was on £675 a week. A few years ago now but inflation must have rocketed for players to earn 3-4k a week.

The team Salford are assembling should win that league and probably, with some additions, go straight through this one. That's where the problems could start, it did in our case.

From blowing the opposition away with the wages we were suddenly on a level playing field and who would want to chose small no history club over some of the sides in league one?

Would Lim invest more to move up another level and then try to compete in the championship? I know he is a billionaire but that is still an awful lot of cash and when would he start to look for some money back?

How could I honestly resent another team doing what my team did. To their supporters, old and new, I say enjoy the ride. To other supporters I ask. Would you turn it down if it were your club?

Casey

 

[Vanni]

Well said Casey, you raise some very good points there. Only thing I'm not sure about is whether you're claiming that £675 back then is now 3/4k - I think the figure shouldn't be quite as high but apologies if that's not what you meant.

Most people only have a problem with the likes of Salford (plus Crawley, Fleetwood and others in the past) because to them these clubs seemingly spring up from nowhere and try to buy success. Nobody bats an eyelid when it's an ex-league club doing it 'cos they are a 'proper' club, blah blah blah. Since 2005 (the year we went down), all the relegated ex-league clubs I can think of threw money at it to go up asap. The only club I'm unsure on is Stockport (?!?)

Furthermore, some fans are so idiotic that they actually believe what their clubs say regarding playing budget, particularly after going up. Here's some some good advice, free of charge of course - the actual cost of winning promotion is always higher, and in some cases much higher.

 

[The_Viking_Magpie]

But they aren’t a proper club ..... yet

 

[GTFCfish]

Nearly every team buys the league. Exceptions to the rule of course but the teams at the top tend to be the ones with the biggest wage budget. The argument that some clubs are bigger and therefore are "allowed" to spend more is neither here nor there. It's still buying the league.

Just for comparisons sake. Ben Smith is the only player from our conference team that published his salary (in his book, great read). He would not have been the highest earner but far from the lowest. From memory he was on £675 a week. A few years ago now but inflation must have rocketed for players to earn 3-4k a week.

The team Salford are assembling should win that league and probably, with some additions, go straight through this one. That's where the problems could start, it did in our case.

From blowing the opposition away with the wages we were suddenly on a level playing field and who would want to chose small no history club over some of the sides in league one?

Would Lim invest more to move up another level and then try to compete in the championship? I know he is a billionaire but that is still an awful lot of cash and when would he start to look for some money back?

How could I honestly resent another team doing what my team did. To their supporters, old and new, I say enjoy the ride. To other supporters I ask. Would you turn it down if it were your club?

Casey

The 2 very big exceptions last year being Accrington and Macclesfield.

 

[The_Boss]

So what we have all agreed on here is that we should now be able to trademark the hashtag #LastOfTheFootballFairytales.

 

[Casey]

Vanni, no the point I was failing to make is that football inflation is outstripping other inflation.

Tubbs, Torres and Pablo Mills were probably our biggest earners back then and were said to be on just over a grand a week (rumour on rumour) so if Rooney is on 5k it shows just how much extra Salford are chucking at it.

Casey

 

[Spanishstag]

They aren’t going to jump up from 1600 to 5000 in any short amount of time.

Well lincoln did and a bit more

 

[King Kev]

Well lincoln did and a bit more

Slightly different comparing Lincoln City to Salford.

 

[Carver]

Hang on.

Salford City aren't even in this league so why the fuck is there a thread dedicated to them??

 

[Spanishstag]

Slightly different comparing Lincoln City to Salford.

Well thats true one of them are followed by a bunch of yokels who love tractors and the like ,the others have never been in the football league

 

[Conker]

Vanni, no the point I was failing to make is that football inflation is outstripping other inflation.

Tubbs, Torres and Pablo Mills were probably our biggest earners back then and were said to be on just over a grand a week (rumour on rumour) so if Rooney is on 5k it shows just how much extra Salford are chucking at it.

Casey

Crawley did big signing on fees and smaller wages didn’t they?

 

[GTFCfish]

Hang on.

Salford City aren't even in this league so why the fuck is there a thread dedicated to them??

Because unfortunately they are the team that will be taking your place in League 2 next season.