Saturday 3rd October

[Loyal Dale]

Danny... before you became a Crewe supporter, you didn't follow Bury by any chance did you?

 

[dannyc5]

Yes. I was a vocal Steve Dale fan.

 

[JJ1532]

So, let's reanalyse using the information we now have. Artell travelled and wanted to play last Friday and Saturday, even with 4 more members of his side positive. Now, he and they didn't know that sure, but if he had 1 iota of sense, he would have known that the chance of infection was sky high given every single member of the club that goes to the training ground and into the dressing room on game days was a close contact of Wintle.

Thank god Beckles took a test, because this would have been a lot worse had he not done and had we fielded 3 positive players on Saturday, thereby further exposing more people to the virus.

I cannot believe Artell is so tone deaf that he doesn't seem to even grasp that what he did was wrong, it honestly blows my mind. To hear him praise the clubs protocols, when 4 people have been infected from the first point of origin, including the clubs doctor is insane. People can say I'm talking nonsense(without offering any counter argument interestingly) or be flippant and down play this. But the government advice is crystal clear and has been for months.

If he is honestly consulting the EFL's protocols before the governments, then he needs to have his head examined. They should not have travelled, they should have all booked in for tests on Thursday and then immediately self isolated as per government advice, the moment they knew of Wintle's illness. Their decision to do what they did on Friday and Saturday was stupid and reckless, it's as simple as that. That's the only logical conclusion you can make.

And now, they are carrying on as if everything is normal. Have they learned nothing about the virus to know that you can test negative and still have it? If I was Wigan, I would ask for the Alex to all go for another round of tests on Thursday and see what the results say on Saturday before even agreeing to travel.

Look at how Nantwich handled it. Players ill on the Sunday, everyone tested straight away and the game the next day cancelled. Exactly what the Alex should have done. How can a tier 7 semi-pro team handle this better that a 3rd tier team? Baffling.

 

[dannyc5]

So, let's reanalyse using the information we now have. Artell travelled and wanted to play last Friday and Saturday, even with 4 more members of his side positive. Now, he and they didn't know that sure, but if he had 1 iota of sense, he would have known that the chance of infection was sky high given every single member of the club that goes to the training ground and into the dressing room on game days was a close contact of Wintle.

Thank god Beckles took a test, because this would have been a lot worse had he not done and had we fielded 3 positive players on Saturday, thereby further exposing more people to the virus.

I cannot believe Artell is so tone deaf that he doesn't seem to even grasp that what he did was wrong, it honestly blows my mind. To hear him praise the clubs protocols, when 4 people have been infected from the first point of origin, including the clubs doctor is insane. People can say I'm talking nonsense(without offering any counter argument interestingly) or be flippant and down play this. But the government advice is crystal clear and has been for months.

If he is honestly consulting the EFL's protocols before the governments, then he needs to have his head examined. They should not have travelled, they should have all booked in for tests on Thursday and then immediately self isolated as per government advice, the moment they knew of Wintle's illness. Their decision to do what they did on Friday and Saturday was stupid and reckless, it's as simple as that. That's the only logical conclusion you can make.

And now, they are carrying on as if everything is normal. Have they learned nothing about the virus to know that you can test negative and still have it? If I was Wigan, I would ask for the Alex to all go for another round of tests on Thursday and see what the results say on Saturday before even agreeing to travel.

Look at how Nantwich handled it. Players ill on the Sunday, everyone tested straight away and the game the next day cancelled. Exactly what the Alex should have done. How can a tier 7 semi-pro team handle this better that a 3rd tier team? Baffling.

Offer you a counter argument? I’ve made about 6million posts on this thread countering pretty much everything you have said. Why would I bother doing that again? All you need to do is read back.

But to offer one counter, and because you live in Vietnam you probably don’t know our official advice, but the club did follow government protocol. I listed all reasons for self isolation on this thread, go back and have a read. Essentially, unless track and trace get in touch, you don’t have an obligation to self isolate.

Now I thought I would be able to keep this going for months, however I am now bored of this now. Surprisingly, because I am very stubborn and don’t bore easily. So I will leave you all with this.

Oxford P-P Crewe. The game never happened. It was called off. All is good. Chill out. Covid isn’t going to kill us all, no matter how much people on here seem desperate to die because of it.

 

[dannyc5]

So, let's reanalyse using the information we now have. Artell travelled and wanted to play last Friday and Saturday, even with 4 more members of his side positive. Now, he and they didn't know that sure, but if he had 1 iota of sense, he would have known that the chance of infection was sky high given every single member of the club that goes to the training ground and into the dressing room on game days was a close contact of Wintle.

Thank god Beckles took a test, because this would have been a lot worse had he not done and had we fielded 3 positive players on Saturday, thereby further exposing more people to the virus.

I cannot believe Artell is so tone deaf that he doesn't seem to even grasp that what he did was wrong, it honestly blows my mind. To hear him praise the clubs protocols, when 4 people have been infected from the first point of origin, including the clubs doctor is insane. People can say I'm talking nonsense(without offering any counter argument interestingly) or be flippant and down play this. But the government advice is crystal clear and has been for months.

If he is honestly consulting the EFL's protocols before the governments, then he needs to have his head examined. They should not have travelled, they should have all booked in for tests on Thursday and then immediately self isolated as per government advice, the moment they knew of Wintle's illness. Their decision to do what they did on Friday and Saturday was stupid and reckless, it's as simple as that. That's the only logical conclusion you can make.

And now, they are carrying on as if everything is normal. Have they learned nothing about the virus to know that you can test negative and still have it? If I was Wigan, I would ask for the Alex to all go for another round of tests on Thursday and see what the results say on Saturday before even agreeing to travel.

Look at how Nantwich handled it. Players ill on the Sunday, everyone tested straight away and the game the next day cancelled. Exactly what the Alex should have done. How can a tier 7 semi-pro team handle this better that a 3rd tier team? Baffling.

Ps. Only the ill Nantwich players were tested.

 

[TimeyWimey]

So, let's reanalyse using the information we now have.

...

I’m out.

 

[Claret Forever]

How has Bolger been getting on? From the highlights I've seen, he's looked quite ropey.

He's had a tough time, but the defense as whole is unsettled. Horsfall is injured, and Racic doesn't look like he's used to playing grown up football yet. Made some sloppy mistakes, but been good in the air. I think I'l wait on judging him for another 5 games in or so, as haven't a whole new back line from last year is going to require some settling in time anyway.

 

[NorthwestOx]

OK Crewe fans, what is it this time?

 

[dannyc5]

I assume coronavirus? The club must have listened to your whingey fans on twitter and took note.

 

[Agombar stool]

Bit confused. How can Crewe fulfil their fixture on Saturday and not this evening’s game?

And I know there are some touchy Crewe fans on here so I’m not having a go, but it does seem odd personally.

 

[NorthwestOx]

I assume coronavirus? The club must have listened to your whingey fans on twitter and took note.

Does everyone in the squad have it?
Including the youth team?

 

[dannyc5]

Probs not. Do you think we should have sent a team?

 

[NorthwestOx]

Probs not. Do you think we should have sent a team?

Tranmere managed to.

 

[Robie]

Well played

 

[dannyc5]

I agree. U18s if we had to. Although a lot of them train with our first team.

I am however confused, as you didn’t want us anywhere near your ground 10 days ago.

 

[NorthwestOx]

I am however confused, as you didn’t want us anywhere near your ground 10 days ago.

I'm really not explaining that one again.

 

[TimeyWimey]

OK Crewe fans, what is it this time?

Dunno mate. What do you lot want to be ABSOLUTELY FUCKING SEETHING with this week? We can be flexible.

 

[dannyc5]

There are 2 possibilities;

1. More positive tests (so you wouldn’t want us anywhere near your ground as outlined in this thread).
2. Test and trace have got in touch belatedly in regards to Beckles.

 

[GeneralLee]

I agree. U18s if we had to. Although a lot of them train with our first team.

I am however confused, as you didn’t want us anywhere near your ground 10 days ago.

Whilst I think we all acknowledge you are on the wind-up and most are biting, they are doing so because the world presently is a place where a game of football temporarily alleviates people's stresses and allows them to focus on something they are passionate about for 90 minutes albeit from the comfort of their home. I don't think any of us want to see something we look forward to postponed for a second time under arguably dubious circumstances.

That being said, perhaps it is coincidental. However none of this appears to add up and frankly I was looking forward to putting the wrongs of Saturday right. Nonetheless twice in a matter of days with a fixture fulfilled in the middle? I'm sure you can see people's angst? Questions most definitely need to be answered.

 

[dannyc5]

Although I would play the kids personally. That I agree with.

 

[TimeyWimey]

Whilst I think we all acknowledge you are on the wind-up and most are biting, they are doing so because the world presently is a place where a game of football temporarily alleviates people's stresses and allows them to focus on something they are passionate about for 90 minutes albeit from the comfort of their home. I don't think any of us want to see something we look forward to postponed for a second time under arguably dubious circumstances.

That being said, perhaps it is coincidental. However none of this appears to add up and frankly I was looking forward to putting the wrongs of Saturday right. Nonetheless twice in a matter of days with a fixture fulfilled in the middle? I'm sure you can see people's angst? Questions most definitely need to be answered.

“Angst”. Lol.

It was a game of football you were never going to attend and the biggest inconvenience it’s caused you is you have 5 hours to find something else to watch on the tele. Global pandemics are that brutal mate I’m afraid.

 

[dannyc5]

Whilst I think we all acknowledge you are on the wind-up and most are biting, they are doing so because the world presently is a place where a game of football temporarily alleviates people's stresses and allows them to focus on something they are passionate about for 90 minutes albeit from the comfort of their home. I don't think any of us want to see something we look forward to postponed for a second time under arguably dubious circumstances.

That being said, perhaps it is coincidental. However none of this appears to add up and frankly I was looking forward to putting the wrongs of Saturday right. Nonetheless twice in a matter of days with a fixture fulfilled in the middle? I'm sure you can see people's angst? Questions most definitely need to be answered.

No I am not on a wind up. I agree with the sentiment in regards to being desperate to watch a football match btw. That’s exactly how I feel and I am gutted it’s off. Like I said, I would prefer we field our exceptional u18s.

I think Oxford fans are on a wind up, personally. Going off what you all said in this VERY THREAD, surely you should be applauding the decision not to bring players to your ground that are potentially Covid positive? I’m confused how you can criticise Crewe for turning up one week, and then criticise Crewe for doing EXACTLY what you asked the next?

 

[JJ1532]

I'm not getting into the same cat fight as I did last week. But what I will say is, this club remains abysmally bad at PR as they ever have done. Even with a newer fresher look to the board, they are still awful at it. No announcement of the original positive test, no detailed explanation as to the decision making process on the Saturday of the original game in the days that followed.

No formal announcement of the 3 extra positive tests, now no actual explanation of what has caused this latest postponement, bar some vague statement which explains nothing and will simply allow rumours and bullshit to fly around the web. Piss poor.

 

[dannyc5]

I’ve been told that what has happened is my point 2. as seen above. No more tests. Nobody with symptoms. Just that PHE took 9 days to get in touch with regards to Beckles.

 

[GeneralLee]

“Angst”. Lol.

It was a game of football you were never going to attend and the biggest inconvenience it’s caused you is you have 5 hours to find something else to watch on the tele. Global pandemics are that brutal mate I’m afraid.

Football means more to people than killing a couple of hours (ironically as we sit here discussing the issue on a Football Forum). Incidentally that was perhaps a point that wasn't an area of controversy!

 

[TimeyWimey]

Football means more to people than killing a couple of hours (ironically as we sit here discussing the issue on a Football Forum). Incidentally that was perhaps a point that wasn't an area of controversy!

Oh I’m sure it does and I’m sure it’s not that controversial. I’m just saying, like in the nicest possible way I can muster, get a grip.

I know I’m kinda on my own on here with failing to see Armageddon in all this but treating it all like the biggest tragedy / scandal this century is plain bizarre. Sport in general is fucked right now, take it on the chin.

 

[GeneralLee]

Oh I’m sure it does and I’m sure it’s not that controversial. I’m just saying, like in the nicest possible way I can muster, get a grip.

I know I’m kinda on my own on here with failing to see Armageddon in all this but treating it all like the biggest tragedy / scandal this century is plain bizarre. Sport in general is fucked right now, take it on the chin.

I don't think a football supporter pointing out their understandable frustration that a team that they support who have had a second postponement within the confines of a couple of weeks is something highly disputable. That feels... Balanced to me?

Any suggestion of a tragedy/the biggest scandal this century has come from you, not me which is perhaps more bizarre, no? If a game of football is postponed, twice. Fully expect it to be posted on a football forum with skepticism from opposite sides.

 

[NorthwestOx]

I’ve been told that what has happened is my point 2. as seen above. No more tests. Nobody with symptoms. Just that PHE took 9 days to get in touch with regards to Beckles.

Who could have known that Beckles had been around the first team...

 

[dannyc5]

Seemingly not PHE for 10 days.

 

[Indian Dan]

As much as I would hate Oxford to be given 3 points on a plate, that is what should happen.

Fuck around once - pain in the arse
Fuck around again - do one, 3-0 defeat