Season Over?

[Reginald Fodstain]

Palios has made our position clearer - we want promotions but no unwarranted relegations. Which I don't see the problem with in our case - the season isn't over in March so how can we justifiably be relegated from our position, but also clubs with an excellent season deserve their promotion. The issue's more with Bolton and Southend, who baring a minor miracle would both have certainly gone down, so justifying saving them is a lot harder to do.

 

[Davidimp]

At halfway which was 22 games because of Bury being chucked out we had 27 points, which is more or less what we'd get on either of the PPG. We're probably the team least affected by any proposal suggested that I've seen not, PPG, weighted PPG or even doubling up points at halfway.
Sure some of you will have had massive changes since halfway?

 

[WhiteRussian]

At halfway which was 22 games because of Bury being chucked out we had 27 points, which is more or less what we'd get on either of the PPG. We're probably the team least affected by any proposal suggested that I've seen not, PPG, weighted PPG or even doubling up points at halfway.
Sure some of you will have had massive changes since halfway?

We had a dire first half to the season and would certainly be relegated if it was done over the first 23 games. Obviously we wouldn't like it but Wycombe would, they would win the league!!!!

 

[Luke Imp]

Another L1 meeting today ahead of a vote at the end of the week apparently?

 

[Luke Imp]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1263140896926728192

 

[RLC]

I am pretty sure we are able to play on, although the chances of getting a majority for that must be slim. However, a lot of the teams in the top half might be minded to continue now.

 

[TrinidadsNumberOne]

Genuinely reckon it'll be 13-10 or 12-11 in favour of ending the season. It's going to be incredibly tight...

 

[Luke Imp]

Yeah it's going to be tight. Interesting to see what Wycombe do because they can guarantee themselves a PO place with a vote for PPG. I'm not sure what their run-in was like but given the size and/or strength of the teams around them, you wonder whether they'll vote that way instead of going for autos and missing out altogether.

Coventry, Rotherham, Bolton, Southend, Accrington, Shrewsbury, Burton, Blackpool, Bristol Rovers, Rochdale, AFCW and Lincoln will probably go PPG.

Oxford, Sunderland, Posh, Fleetwood, Ipswich, Sunderland, Tranmere to play on.

MK have said they'll just go with a majority, Doncaster have been quiet but have games in hand, Evans seemed to indicate his stance was to play on but whether that's Gillingham's we'll see and then there's Wycombe as above.

The power lies with the middle third really.

 

[AdamStag]

Yeah it's going to be tight. Interesting to see what Wycombe do because they can guarantee themselves a PO place with a vote for PPG. I'm not sure what their run-in was like but given the size and/or strength of the teams around them, you wonder whether they'll vote that way instead of going for autos and missing out altogether.

Coventry, Rotherham, Bolton, Southend, Accrington, Shrewsbury, Burton, Blackpool, Bristol Rovers, Rochdale, AFCW and Lincoln will probably go PPG.

Oxford, Sunderland, Posh, Fleetwood, Ipswich, Sunderland, Tranmere to play on.

MK have said they'll just go with a majority, Doncaster have been quiet but have games in hand, Evans seemed to indicate his stance was to play on but whether that's Gillingham's we'll see and then there's Wycombe as above.

The power lies with the middle third really.

So if you’ve voted for relegation from league 1 how does that work with league voting not to relegate (something I don’t agree with)

Presumably league 2 would be under pressure to follow suit, though in theory barrow would still come up to complete the numbers

 

[Bee sting]

Yeah it's going to be tight. Interesting to see what Wycombe do because they can guarantee themselves a PO place with a vote for PPG. I'm not sure what their run-in was like but given the size and/or strength of the teams around them, you wonder whether they'll vote that way instead of going for autos and missing out altogether.

Coventry, Rotherham, Bolton, Southend, Accrington, Shrewsbury, Burton, Blackpool, Bristol Rovers, Rochdale, AFCW and Lincoln will probably go PPG.

Oxford, Sunderland, Posh, Fleetwood, Ipswich, Sunderland, Tranmere to play on.

MK have said they'll just go with a majority, Doncaster have been quiet but have games in hand, Evans seemed to indicate his stance was to play on but whether that's Gillingham's we'll see and then there's Wycombe as above.

The power lies with the middle third really.

The PL have their own private testing facility, so have L1 clubs got the same. Can ALL clubs afford all the testing costs. Can ALL clubs afford to continue without any income from fans. Have all teams got pitches that are playable, or are most being re-laid.

 

[Luke Imp]

The PL have their own private testing facility, so have L1 clubs got the same. Can ALL clubs afford all the testing costs. Can ALL clubs afford to continue without any income from fans. Have all teams got pitches that are playable, or are most being re-laid.

At £140k for testing, most probably can't or will find it difficult to take another financial hit.

Accrington reckon it'll cost them about £650k to finish the season because of testing and having to bring everyone off furlough with no income.

Pitch wise, I think most did work on their pitch because there was a chance of a quick turnaround to the next seasons. Ours is ready in about 3 weeks, so we'll be fine and I think most others would be.

 

[Luke Imp]

So if you’ve voted for relegation from league 1 how does that work with league voting not to relegate (something I don’t agree with)

Presumably league 2 would be under pressure to follow suit, though in theory barrow would still come up to complete the numbers

There hasn't been a vote, it's the EFL who've given the two options to vote on next week so they've taken no relegation off the table by the looks of it.

 

[AdamStag]

There hasn't been a vote, it's the EFL who've given the two options to vote on next week so they've taken no relegation off the table by the looks of it.

Good.

 

[Luke Imp]

Promotion, PO's and relegation all retained via playing on or PPG.

https://www.efl.com/news/2020/may/efl-statement-coronavirus-update2

 

[Huntsman94]

Well worth 10 minutes of your time. An insight into how we're coping as a club and what the League One decision will mean:

Can't be thankful enough that we have Mark and Nicola Palios running the Club.

 

[RLC]

So four League Two clubs that voted to end the season get the chance to take the place (I thought they were unable to play ?) of a club that can afford to play on (Tranmere) but is given no chance to play for its survival.

Explain the logic of that to me.

 

[RLC]

If you voted to end the season, you should not be able to participate in the play offs.

 

[Luke Imp]

So four League Two clubs that voted to end the season get the chance to take the place (I thought they were unable to play ?) of a club that can afford to play on (Tranmere) but is given no chance to play for its survival.

Explain the logic of that to me.

You'd be being replaced by 3rd place Plymouth, not a PO side.

EDIT - And that's providing L1 don't play on, it's going to be a close vote IMO so I don't think all is lost just yet.

 

[RLC]

You'd be being replaced by 3rd place Plymouth, not a PO side.

EDIT - And that's providing L1 don't play on, it's going to be a close vote IMO so I don't think all is lost just yet.

You'd be being replaced by 3rd place Plymouth, not a PO side.

EDIT - And that's providing L1 don't play on, it's going to be a close vote IMO so I don't think all is lost just yet.

We are being replaced by the play off side. Without the play offs taking place, we would not be relegated.

I am sure you realise you are being pedantic.

 

[Luke Imp]

The bottom three in L1 are replaced by automatically promoted L1 sides as they always have done. This season, there is no 24th placed side, therefore 1st replace 23rd, 2nd replace 22nd, 3rd replace 21st.

Under normal circumstances, you're correct, 21st are usually replaced by a PO side but you're bottom three this season because of the Bury situation and therefore the PO side will be balancing the numbers up. It's top of L2, bottom of L1 and works it's way backwards.

There's nothing to suggest that if the L2 PO's didn't happen you'd survive that I've seen. They would likely, as mooted, promote 4th place because they need the numbers back up in L1 and would rather reward success than failure (failure isn't the word I'm looking for with Tranmere so I don't quite mean it like that).

That's not to say I don't have sympathy for Tranmere in this situation, by the way. You, Peterborough and Sunderland (I think) are going to feel the most hard done by out of everyone.

It'll probably end up being a good time to have a crack at coming back up first time as most normally struggle in the first season back down but as I say, I don't think the vote is going as cut and dried anyway so all is not lost.

 

[RLC]

The bottom three in L1 are replaced by automatically promoted L1 sides as they always have done. This season, there is no 24th placed side, therefore 1st replace 23rd, 2nd replace 22nd, 3rd replace 21st.

Under normal circumstances, you're correct, 21st are usually replaced by a PO side but you're bottom three this season because of the Bury situation and therefore the PO side will be balancing the numbers up. It's top of L2, bottom of L1 and works it's way backwards.

There's nothing to suggest that if the L2 PO's didn't happen you'd survive that I've seen. They would likely, as mooted, promote 4th place because they need the numbers back up in L1 and would rather reward success than failure (failure isn't the word I'm looking for with Tranmere so I don't quite mean it like that).

That's not to say I don't have sympathy for Tranmere in this situation, by the way. You, Peterborough and Sunderland (I think) are going to feel the most hard done by out of everyone.

It'll probably end up being a good time to have a crack at coming back up first time as most normally struggle in the first season back down but as I say, I don't think the vote is going as cut and dried anyway so all is not lost.

It is yet to be determined what will happen if the play offs don't go ahead, so it is not certain that the 4th placed team would be promoted. De facto, we are being replaced by a team given an opportunity to play on and win promotion, despite stating they would not play on. There is an obvious inconsistency there. The Bury situation is irrelevant.

We are being treated far more harshly and seriously than Sunderland or Peterborough, despite all of their mouthing off.

 

[Plumbob]

Well worth 10 minutes of your time. An insight into how we're coping as a club and what the League One decision will mean:

Can't be thankful enough that we have Mark and Nicola Palios running the Club.

Pretty much the sentiment at Lincoln regarding our guys.

 

[Reremnart]

Theres an easy way to settle this. if Play Offs can take place so can our game in hand which I think is away to Rochdale. We win that we stay up but of course you can bet Rochdale will make some excuse as to why they can’t play, probably a financial one in which case the FL in order to retain “the integrity of the competition” something they are so keen on, should offer to pickup the tab. If , as I am certain will happen knowing the way the EFL operate, we are denied the opportunity to rescue ourselves by playing this fixture IMO we have a great chance of winning any court case against the EFL our owners wish to proceed with.

 

[Reginald Fodstain]

Wonder how much the EFL will bribe, sorry compensate, us to go down quietly without a legal challenge...

 

[T.A]

Theres an easy way to settle this. if Play Offs can take place so can our game in hand which I think is away to Rochdale. We win that we stay up but of course you can bet Rochdale will make some excuse as to why they can’t play, probably a financial one in which case the FL in order to retain “the integrity of the competition” something they are so keen on, should offer to pickup the tab. If , as I am certain will happen knowing the way the EFL operate, we are denied the opportunity to rescue ourselves by playing this fixture IMO we have a great chance of winning any court case against the EFL our owners wish to proceed with.

To be fair to Rochdale, they had to take a loan out with their council. They are a club that really couldnt afford playing on. They barely function with a crowd.

 

[Kenneth E End]

Wonder how much the EFL will bribe, sorry compensate, us to go down quietly without a legal challenge...

Now I’m not a lawyer clearly, but on what grounds can you sue?
The shareholders of the league are the clubs, however terrible that is and thus they vote for the ways the league is run.
These circumstances are so unique, that I’d guess a court would sympathise with the impossible position the EFL is in.

I’m equally miffed by the whole situation because we could be replaced by Wycombe by virtue of playing less games!

 

[THE LAST WALTZ]

Finish the season or void the season.
I said this weeks ago and I have seen nothing to change my mind.
Unfair on Coventry I know but no more so than the shambolic treatment of Tranmere.

 

[Indian Dan]

We are being replaced by the play off side. Without the play offs taking place, we would not be relegated.

I am sure you realise you are being pedantic.

Fuck me, you aren’t still banging this drum. 3 sides go down replaced by the 3 sides going up. Any 4th team promoted is making up the numbers for Bury. It couldn’t be fucking clearer.

I get your general point about getting relegated on ppg, but this palaver about being replaced by a play off side is just plain bollocks.

 

[Luke Imp]

Theres an easy way to settle this. if Play Offs can take place so can our game in hand which I think is away to Rochdale. We win that we stay up but of course you can bet Rochdale will make some excuse as to why they can’t play, probably a financial one in which case the FL in order to retain “the integrity of the competition” something they are so keen on, should offer to pickup the tab. If , as I am certain will happen knowing the way the EFL operate, we are denied the opportunity to rescue ourselves by playing this fixture IMO we have a great chance of winning any court case against the EFL our owners wish to proceed with.

Would you stay up? I assumed if the points are level it does down to GD and yours is inferior to AFCW. You've also scored less and conceded more so unless it's done on head to head (I think you beat AFCW?) then I'm not sure? Unless there's another rule I'm not aware of or have forgotten about!

Now I’m not a lawyer clearly, but on what grounds can you sue?
The shareholders of the league are the clubs, however terrible that is and thus they vote for the ways the league is run.
These circumstances are so unique, that I’d guess a court would sympathise with the impossible position the EFL is in.

I’m equally miffed by the whole situation because we could be replaced by Wycombe by virtue of playing less games!

The Burton Chairman seemed to indicate on Five Live earlier in the week that there are no grounds of legal challenge from anyone as long as the EFL follow the correct procedure and protocols. In this case, the EFL put forward a resolution mid-season and if it's get a majority vote then its legally binding. Or at least that's the way I interpreted what he said.

The Accrington Chairman also said there would be no basis for one under his interpretation of how the resolution would be done. I did wonder whether MacAnthony was bluffing everyone will be so vociferous about the legal challenge just as a scare tactic. We'll fine out in the weeks after the vote if the majority is PPG.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1263173655267328000

 

[RLC]

Fuck me, you aren’t still banging this drum. 3 sides go down replaced by the 3 sides going up. Any 4th team promoted is making up the numbers for Bury. It couldn’t be fucking clearer.

I get your general point about getting relegated on ppg, but this palaver about being replaced by a play off side is just plain bollocks.

If the play offs don't happen we don't go down, unless there is a rule change to promote the team in 4th place. Hence, we are effectively being replaced by the play off winners.

I understand you have a few financial problems. Do you reckon you will ever see League One ?