Shearer or Rooney

[Pagnell]

Rooney beats Shearer all ends up, scores more, plays more and wins more !

I neither like or dislike Rooney any more or less than Shearer, but keep trying.

Scores more? You haven't looked as the stats I take it, or don't understand them perhaps. With Shearer's division one Southampton stats removed, so Premiership top flight only in both cases:-

Shearer -- 336 goals in 576 domestic games or a goal every 1.7 games.
Rooney -- 233 goals in 485 domestic games or a goal every 2.1 games.

Internationally they're identical with 2.1 games played for every goal scored.

Check the facts before making claims would be my advice, it equates to looking less foolish. Perhaps being a non-armchair (so you claim anyway) doesn't equal more football knowledge after all.

 

[JimJams]

They've both only ever had 1 good tournament for England. Shearer '96 and Rooney 2004. Rooney has been a big disappointment since his promising opener where his injury basically took all hopes with it. Euro '96 was a great tournament for England fans and Sheringham and Shearer were an excellent partnership. Unfortunately Shearer didn't look the same player at WC98 which was probably down to not having Teddy there to link up with. But really neither of them did anything after their first shots at major tournaments, with Shearer starting later in his career than Rooney who has had more go's on them than a red light district hooker.

 

[johnnytodd]

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I neither like or dislike Rooney any more or less than Shearer, but keep trying.

Scores more? You haven't looked as the stats I take it, or don't understand them perhaps. With Shearer's division one Southampton stats removed, so Premiership top flight only in both cases:-

Shearer -- 336 goals in 576 domestic games or a goal every 1.7 games.
Rooney -- 233 goals in 485 domestic games or a goal every 2.1 games.

Internationally they're identical with 2.1 games played for every goal scored.

Check the facts before making claims would be my advice, it equates to looking less foolish. Perhaps being a non-armchair (so you claim anyway) doesn't equal more football knowledge after all.

Here is the un doctored stats that show everything, you can't remove stats to suit your argument, plus Rooney didnt even play as a striker all the time.

International Career
Average goals per year:

Rooney 4
Shearer 3

Club record
Average goals per year

Rooney 19
Shearer 19

Rooney Honours

• Premier League 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
• Football League Cup 2005–06, 2009–10
• FA Community Shield 2007, 2010, 2011
• UEFA Champions League 2007–08
• FIFA Club World Cup 2008

Shearer Honours

• Premier League winner: 1994–95

 

[mnb089mnb]

Before Euro 96 Shearer was slated by English fans and press. He went a dozen goals without scoring for England before the tournament. Imagine Rooney doing that now. It should also be remembered that Shearer was part of the England squad (admittedly injured for a lot of it) who failed to qualify for World Cup 94. Not exactly something anyone wants on their CV.

One of the issues here is that people (quite rightly) hate Manchester United. Not only that, but Wayne Rooney isn't a particularly likeabe player. He's a snarling rat of a footballer.

Shearer played for Newcastle United. Most football fans (quite rightly) see Newcastle as a laughing stock so it's always going to be hard to dislike them, and subsequently Shearer, too much.

I think people remember footballers with rose tinted specs a little. They appear to remember all of Shearer's goals and not the way he elbowed Carlos Roa in the 98 World Cup quarter final. Sol Campbell may have scored the winner if he hadn't. Though, in retrospect, maybe it's for the best he didn't.

 

[johnnytodd]

Before Euro 96 Shearer was slated by English fans and press. He went a dozen goals without scoring for England before the tournament. Imagine Rooney doing that now. It should also be remembered that Shearer was part of the England squad (admittedly injured for a lot of it) who failed to qualify for World Cup 94. Not exactly something anyone wants on their CV.

One of the issues here is that people (quite rightly) hate Manchester United. Not only that, but Wayne Rooney isn't a particularly likeabe player. He's a snarling rat of a footballer.

Shearer played for Newcastle United. Most football fans (quite rightly) see Newcastle as a laughing stock so it's always going to be hard to dislike them, and subsequently Shearer, too much.

I think people remember footballers with rose tinted specs a little. They appear to remember all of Shearer's goals and not the way he elbowed Carlos Roa in the 98 World Cup quarter final. Sol Campbell may have scored the winner if he hadn't. Though, in retrospect, maybe it's for the best he didn't.

Exactly the people saying Shearer was better than Rooney is laughable and i can only put that down to poor football knowledge in general.

 

[Pagnell]

Rooney beats Shearer all ends up, scores more, plays more and wins more !

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Here is the un doctored stats that show everything, you can't remove stats to suit your argument, plus Rooney didnt even play as a striker all the time.

International Career
Average goals per year:

Rooney 4
Shearer 3

Club record
Average goals per year

Rooney 19
Shearer 19

Rooney Honours

• Premier League 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
• Football League Cup 2005–06, 2009–10
• FA Community Shield 2007, 2010, 2011
• UEFA Champions League 2007–08
• FIFA Club World Cup 2008

Shearer Honours

• Premier League winner: 1994–95

I'm not doctoring anything to suit my argument. You talk of 'doctored stats' and then come up with average goals per year, which is less relevant than goals per appearance, and then you start on about Rooney not being used as a striker? Make your mind up.

Career total for Shearer (including Southampton) -- 734 games and 379 goals = a goal every 1.9 games.
Career total for Rooney -- 485 games and 233 goals = a goal every 2.1 games.

So even without the so called 'doctored facts' Shearer is still the better bet. And again, the same old bullshit honours argument. I guess you think Louis Saha is a better striker than Shearer too on that logic?

 

[Pagnell]

It should also be remembered that Shearer was part of the England squad (admittedly injured for a lot of it) who failed to qualify for World Cup 94.

Not that much different than Rooney and Euro 2008 then.

Exactly the people saying Shearer was better than Rooney is laughable and i can only put that down to poor football knowledge in general.

Yeah, the 92% of people who participated in the poll know nothing, unlike you.

 

[HarvSFC]

We are aware that the division Shearer played in for Southampton was the highest level in English football before the Premier League formed?

 

[johnnytodd]

I'm not doctoring anything to suit my argument, I removed the division one statistics because it's another division so therefore skewing the statistics, but we can include them if you like (see below). And you talk of 'doctored stats' and then come up with average goals per year, which is less relevant than goals per appearance, and then you start on about Rooney not being used as a striker? Make your mind up.

Career total for Shearer (including Southampton) -- 734 games and 379 goals = a goal every 1.9 games.
Career total for Rooney -- 485 games and 233 goals = a goal every 2.1 games.

So even without the so called 'doctored facts' Shearer is still the better bet. And again, the same old bullshit honours argument. I guess you think Louis Saha is a better striker than Shearer too on that logic?

Pagnell logic:

P Stroud 1968-69 season
played 1 game scored 1 goal ( career ended through injury)

he averaged 1 goal every game and therefor the best player to walk the earth


nice one Pagnell !

 

[Pagnell]

Except that isn't the case here, is it? You know, with one player playing nearly 500 so far and the other playing over 700? Use your common sense Toddy.

 

[johnnytodd]

 

[Pagnell]

lose debate and post a gif, you'll be mentioning hitler next.

 

[ArmchairDiehard]

I'm a huge fan of Rooney, but Shearer is the best English striker I've seen in my lifetime.

 

[Pagnell]

Still waiting for confirmation that Louis Saha is a better striker than Shearer. After all, he has double the Premiership medals and has won the Champions League so surely he must be?

 

[allouso]

I prefer Rooney, from what i remember of Shearer anyway.

Rooney's great, it's just that sometimes he barely resembles a footballer, don't think i've ever seen a footballer with some much gap between his best and worst.

 

[mnb089mnb]

They've both only ever had 1 good tournament for England. Shearer '96 and Rooney 2004. Rooney has been a big disappointment since his promising opener where his injury basically took all hopes with it. Euro '96 was a great tournament for England fans and Sheringham and Shearer were an excellent partnership. Unfortunately Shearer didn't look the same player at WC98 which was probably down to not having Teddy there to link up with. But really neither of them did anything after their first shots at major tournaments, with Shearer starting later in his career than Rooney who has had more go's on them than a red light district hooker.

Shearer was carrying an injury going into World Cup 98. And Rooney was seemingly carrying an injury at every international tournament he's been in -> and he was suspended from the first couple of games of Euro 2012. I think he needs to be ten years retired (like Shearer) for fans to start rating him.

 

[Pagnell]

I think he needs to be ten years retired (like Shearer) for fans to start rating him.

It's not a case of people not rating him, more that people rate Shearer higher. Why does there have to be an underlying reason outside of a simple footballing preference?

 

[AFCB_Mark]

With Shearer, you knew what you were getting. His strike rate was quite consistent throughout his career for both club and country. He was a proper centre forward, in a certain 'English' style that everyone likes. His England career outshines Rooney to date IMO because Shearer contributed more to the major tournaments.

Rooney will be England's all time scorer, but has done so through qualification competitions where let's be honest, the opposition is at times rather questionable. The memories of Rooney's major tournaments will be of frustration and unfulfilled potential.

I think Shearer's consistency compared with Rooney's wild inconsistency and wild variation between his best and worst (as already suggested in this thread) does bring about a fondness for Shearer.

On natural talent, Rooney probably wins. On which I'd prefer up front in my mythical team - it's Shearer without a doubt.

 

[johnnytodd]

Please list all Shearer voters so i can block them for lack of football knowledge

 

[SALTIRE]

You're only favouring Rooney as he played a bit for Neverton before getting the fuck out of there as quick as possible.

 

[johnnytodd]

If Saltire posts in this thread he was first on the list.

 

[SALTIRE]

If Saltire posts in this thread he was first on the list.

If you'd read my post in it earlier you'd see ya daftie

 

[JoshBCFC]

One player can be the difference between finishing 2nd and 1st, and looking at this thread you'd think Shearer was 100x the player Rooney (a PL great in his own right) ever was, if that was the case I would've expected him to be the difference for Newcastle winning something and finishing 2nd. I've never really taken much notice of individual awards in team sports, but interestingly I just saw that Rooney and Shearer both won the same amount of Premier League Player of the Season awards.

Fair enough. Doesn't make much of a difference to be fair. Shearer isn't 100x the player Rooney was, I have no idea why you have made that point, it makes no sense what so ever. Nobody here is worshiping Shearer. You say that one player could be the difference between finishing 2nd and first, yet clearly it was the other players as he scored 25+ goals most seasons, sorry, you can not simply blame Shearer when he does that well.

International Career
Average goals per year:

Rooney 4
Shearer 3

Club record
Average goals per year

Rooney 19
Shearer 19

Rooney Honours

• Premier League 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2012–13
• Football League Cup 2005–06, 2009–10
• FA Community Shield 2007, 2010, 2011
• UEFA Champions League 2007–08
• FIFA Club World Cup 2008

Shearer Honours

• Premier League winner: 1994–95

Really? Only listing team awards. When you talk about INDIVIDUALS it really does make sense to talk about INDIVIDUAL awards. The only reason Rooney has more team awards is because he played for a better club than Shearer.

 

[johnnytodd]

Fair enough. Doesn't make much of a difference to be fair. Shearer isn't 100x the player Rooney was, I have no idea why you have made that point, it makes no sense what so ever. Nobody here is worshiping Shearer. You say that one player could be the difference between finishing 2nd and first, yet clearly it was the other players as he scored 25+ goals most seasons, sorry, you can not simply blame Shearer when he does that well.


Really? Only listing team awards. When you talk about INDIVIDUALS it really does make sense to talk about INDIVIDUAL awards. The only reason Rooney has more team awards is because he played for a better club than Shearer.

Your suggesting because he scored goals in an average team he is the better player.
I'm saying Rooney is better because he's scored more goals per season both at club level and international plus in a team full of quality and never as a main striker....plus he won trophies in the process.
They ,or you will be saying Steve Bull is better next.

 

[Pagnell]

Your suggesting because he scored goals in an average team he is the better player.
I'm saying Rooney is better because he's scored more goals per season both at club level and international....

Yeah, one problem with that though. He didn't.

 

[JoshBCFC]

Your suggesting because he scored goals in an average team he is the better player.
I'm saying Rooney is better because he's scored more goals per season both at club level and international plus in a team full of quality and never as a main striker....plus he won trophies in the process.
They ,or you will be saying Steve Bull is better next.

Well if we put Rooney in an average team, would he still score as many goals as he did? The answer, for me, is no. Rooney hasn't scored more goals then him at club level, even your post proves my point. And plus, Rooney won't get as many goals as Shearer, that's for sure. Because he's in a team full of quality makes it easier to score goals because you get better service. Fair enough he hasn't played as a main striker, but to he honest it looks like he might actually perform worse in that position. He won trophies because he is in a team full of class. Shearer wasn't.

 

[johnnytodd]

If Shearer was so much better than Rooney why didn't he score more goals than him per season both at club level and nationally even as the main striker.
Answer is because he was not as good.

 

[johnnytodd]

Just checked the assists stats and boy does that not look good either for one trick pony
shearer.

 

[JoshBCFC]

If Shearer was so much better than Rooney why didn't he score more goals than him per season both at club level and nationally even as the main striker.
Answer is because he was not as good.

So the one who scored 260 goals in the BPL alone is not as good as a player who has scored 185? Rooney needs to score 86 more goals to get the record, and with him losing pace and getting older, i can guarantee he won't do. If we look at the end of Rooney's career and see what it looks like then, the stats WILL be different, and in Shearer's favor. Trust me.

 

[Pagnell]

If Shearer was so much better than Rooney why didn't he score more goals than him per season...

He did. 20 goals per season average Shearer, 19 goals per average Rooney. Your stats of 19 goals per season each were wrong.