Sunderlands new gaffer and prospects?

[JimJams]

So it looks like Fat Sam has got the Englund jobbie. So where does that leave Sunderland? After constantly flirting with relegation it looked like they might have got their shit together a bit with them having a good January window and keeping themselves up.
Can they get in someone better than Samuel? Will they be able to get the best out of this group, or do Sunderland now need to fork out a poopload of cash on signings for a new man?

 

[T.A]

David Moyes has to be the early favourite. Once again tho it looks like they'll be playing catchup.

 

[Hank]

If the rumours are to be believed then it should be sorted out pretty quickly. It's hard to look past anyone other than Moyes and I would be happy with that.

 

[Super_horns]

Well least the new manager won't be coming into a relegation battle...well straight away.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Is this the relegation thread?

 

[Pagnell]

The bug-eyed Scot has to be favourite. He's perfect for them. Limited budget and little ambitions at the moment bar staying in the top flight. Moyesesque.

 

[Blitzballer]

Would be pretty fucked off if I was a Sunderland supporter . Just hope the you get massive compo. Fuck the FA fucking clueless pricks

 

[Blitzballer]

And just to put salt into the wound's you got Moyes LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Skinner]

And just to put salt into the wound's you got Moyes LOLOLOLOLOL

You don't turn in to a bad manager overnight, Sunderland would have jumped at the chance to have Moyes a couple of seasons ago.

One bad stint at the very top doesn't make him a poor top flight manager. It's amazing how managers' stock rise and fall.

 

[PDS]

They never start playing until March really anyway.

On paper they should go down but they'll find a way out; as always. Allardyce is a big, big loss for a bottom half team

 

[Hank]

Moyes confirmed. We're not fucking about for a change.

 

[Super_horns]

Probably do a decent job there - maybe you will sign Fellaini!

 

[mistermagic]

Sunderland are getting a better manager that they probably wouldn't have gotten without the FA...

 

[Renegade]

An upgrade on Allardyce, it seems a lot of people have forgotten what Moyes did at Everton, there is a reason he was given a chance to manage Manchester United. He routinely had Everton challenging for the European spots with an inferior budget to Sunderland's. He won't just be staving off relegation - by his past record (don't know what other people are judging him on) he'll finish comfortably mid-table or higher once he gets a chance to bed in. The first season might just be a case of survival, but long term this should vastly improve Sunderland's fortunes.

Everton under Moyes: 7th, 17th, 4th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th.

Hugely underrated manager that knows this league inside out.

 

[yellow]

Agree entirely with Renegade. If he is given time he'll do a good job there.

 

[Pagnell]

An upgrade on Allardyce, it seems a lot of people have forgotten what Moyes did at Everton, there is a reason he was given a chance to manage Manchester United. He routinely had Everton challenging for the European spots with an inferior budget to Sunderland's. He won't just be staving off relegation - by his past record (don't know what other people are judging him on) he'll finish comfortably mid-table or higher once he gets a chance to bed in. The first season might just be a case of survival, but long term this should vastly improve Sunderland's fortunes.

Everton under Moyes: 7th, 17th, 4th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th.

Hugely underrated manager that knows this league inside out.

Indeed, he's called Alex Ferguson. Moyes was never suitable for the job, as was shown in the end and was obvious before he was ever given it. A team that hadn't gone more than two seasons without winning a major trophy in two decades replacing one of the best managers in the history of football with someone who hadn't won a bean or didn't even appear to have a winning mentality. Madness. I've no doubt United regret having gone for Moyes instead of Mourinho when Ferguson first left, and that is because they have realised that the long term plan they hoped to come to fruition under Moyes was unrealistic, especially with a manager of his quality. What happened under his tenure is the reason for that realisation. They brought LVG in because of his experience in the hope they could get United back on track, and it worked partly, Mourinho is now here to finish the job.

I also disagree that Moyes is hugely underrated. He is exactly what most people view him as being; a limited manager who does well under a specific set of circumstances, the primary one being little expectation. He can then shrug his shoulders and claim they weren't expected to win certain fixtures anyway (something he regularly did with Everton after failing to win every away fixture in over a decade against the then big four of United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea). But fortunately for Sunderland, limited expectation is exactly what he's walking into with them so I expect him to do well under that remit. He is again back in his comfort zone.

Mid table next season is my prediction, and no one at Sunderland will complain about that.

 

[Spurfect]

Took a look at Sunderland's squad, was surprised at how small it is and how many gaps there is in the side. Big job ahead of them, whoever takes the job. Think Moyes is a good man to appoint, he's probably ready to settle down again and spend some time at one club after his two previous jobs.

 

[mistermagic]

Reckon the squad is pretty sharp after the Big Sam's Ligue 1 shopping last winter.

 

[Smally]

Moyes will be better than Allardyce long term but could do with a few signings. Expect Sunderland to line up in a 4-4-1-1 formation in every game he's there

 

[Stocky]

Indeed, he's called Alex Ferguson. Moyes was never suitable for the job, as was shown in the end and was obvious before he was ever given it. A team that hadn't gone more than two seasons without winning a major trophy in two decades replacing one of the best managers in the history of football with someone who hadn't won a bean or didn't even appear to have a winning mentality. Madness. I've no doubt United regret having gone for Moyes instead of Mourinho when Ferguson first left, and that is because they have realised that the long term plan they hoped to come to fruition under Moyes was unrealistic, especially with a manager of his quality. What happened under his tenure is the reason for that realisation. They brought LVG in because of his experience in the hope they could get United back on track, and it worked partly, Mourinho is now here to finish the job.

I also disagree that Moyes is hugely underrated. He is exactly what most people view him as being; a limited manager who does well under a specific set of circumstances, the primary one being little expectation. He can then shrug his shoulders and claim they weren't expected to win certain fixtures anyway (something he regularly did with Everton after failing to win every away fixture in over a decade against the then big four of United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea). But fortunately for Sunderland, limited expectation is exactly what he's walking into with them so I expect him to do well under that remit. He is again back in his comfort zone.

Mid table next season is my prediction, and no one at Sunderland will complain about that.

Spot on post that from back to front. Nailed the United bit and I remember you calling it when he was appointed.

I thought he would steady the post Ferguson era for a couple of years, grab a title and then it would dawn in 3-4 years that they needed someone with a better pedigree. I was majorly wrong. He was shambolic both as a man and a manager.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

An upgrade on Allardyce, it seems a lot of people have forgotten what Moyes did at Everton, there is a reason he was given a chance to manage Manchester United. He routinely had Everton challenging for the European spots with an inferior budget to Sunderland's. He won't just be staving off relegation - by his past record (don't know what other people are judging him on) he'll finish comfortably mid-table or higher once he gets a chance to bed in. The first season might just be a case of survival, but long term this should vastly improve Sunderland's fortunes.

Everton under Moyes: 7th, 17th, 4th, 6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, 7th, 7th, 6th.

Hugely underrated manager that knows this league inside out.

Pretty much this, it is a fantastic appointment for Sunderland. He'll have them competing in the top half within 18 months.

 

[Christian Slater]

Gaz Nev might be his assistant.

 

[Mr. Scruff]

Would absolutely love to see Moyes go down.

In reality he'll probably keep them up but I don't think he'll scale anywhere near the 'heights' he scaled with Everton. He did a good job there, not great but very good but I think part of his 'success' was down to sheer longetivity. I also think he was great in the transfer market there.

But at that time Everton were prety much the best of the rest a long with Spurs. They could target players that the top clubs didnt want yet but were out of reach of the rest of the league None of the other clubs in the league would have put up the money for Fellaini for example. Sunderland have always put up money but now likes of Stoke, West Ham, Leicester,Watford, Palace etc all have money to compete.

His time at United and sociedad showed he isn't a great motivator nor a tactician. He wont do much more than big sam did for Sunderland who was lucky that Newcastle were so absymal they went down. I honestly don't think he'll get them above tenth and whilst that might be enough for a few years he isn't going to be proving anybody wrong about where he truly lies in the managerial pecking order.

Edited for the champions.

 

[JimJams]

At least fucking spell us right Scruff. We've earned that much.

 

[Abertawe]

I think people are underestimating the job he's walking into. That Sunderland squad is still shit and is gonna take a good few windows to put right. People predicting mid-table like it's nothing, mid-table would signify a very good season for Sunderland and would be a feather in Moyes' cap.

 

[JimJams]

Well Big Sam did him a favour signing the KKK in January. 3 of their best performers in the run in that made a huge difference. They need to get Defoe some help though. If he got injured they'd be well up shit creek.

 

[Six pints of STELLA]

I hate to say it, but it's MOYSIE.