The Boxing Thread

[4froale]

A strange end to that if I'm honest. Hasn't done much for GGG that fight. Brook was landing flush power shots but the guy just walked through them as we knew he would. Well done Brook for having the balls to take it.

Hasn't done ggg any damage either. He was in control right through the fight. Im with golovkin in thinking that none of brooks shots hurt him. They just seemed to annoy him. Brook showed heart but at no point in that fight did I think ggg was in trouble.

In an ideal world I would like to see ggg step up to fight ward and brook to fight the winner of canelo/smith, but both are going after billie Jo Saunders.

 

[Master D]

Hasn't done ggg any damage either. He was in control right through the fight. Im with golovkin in thinking that none of brooks shots hurt him. They just seemed to annoy him. Brook showed heart but at no point in that fight did I think ggg was in trouble.

In an ideal world I would like to see ggg step up to fight ward and brook to fight the winner of canelo/smith, but both are going after billie Jo Saunders.

Ward is now at 175lb so that fight will never happen now. Brook v Canelo at 154lb would be a great fight and I give Kell a live chance in that, he was never going to be able to live with GGG though.

 

[Gilly?]

I actually had Brook a round up until they threw the towel in. Valiant effort but he was never making it out the full 12.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

He's my dads cousin some don't know what that makes him to me. He's passionate about his boxing though.

Second cousin?

 

[Abertawe]

Fractured eye socket so for his career it was ultimately the right decision. I'd be gutted if I was Brook though, having your corner pull you out of the biggest fight of your life which you were winning must be immensely frustrating. I don't care what anyone says, Kell was pinging him at will unti the eye gave way.

 

[spireite]

When Brook got caught badly in the opening minute or so I was like 'oh fucking hell' cos he went all jelly legged and was hanging on for dear life. But I thought he collected himself brilliantly and made GGG look a bit one-dimensional for a bit, at least for a round or two. He was landing some big big uppercuts and getting round the sides of Golovkins guard for fun. His eye did look bad, but the fact is he needed KO as he was never going to last the distance fighting that high energy style and eating big middleweight shots.

Obviously GGG is a monster, but it's obvious to me you stick him with a true slickster, he can be beat in a decision. There's nobody like that around his weights though unless he steps up a weight and gets his ears boxed off by Andre Ward for 12 rounds. I think GGG beats Alvarez because it willl just be a power war, and GGG wins that for me. Can't the fight being made though

 

[GodsGift]

Fractured eye socket so for his career it was ultimately the right decision. I'd be gutted if I was Brook though, having your corner pull you out of the biggest fight of your life which you were winning must be immensely frustrating. I don't care what anyone says, Kell was pinging him at will unti the eye gave way.

Agree with this. It's a shame it couldn't go on but ultimately it was the right decision from Ingle.

This will do wonders for Brook. What next though? Have one or two fairly routine fights at light-middle then call out Canelo/beat Liam Smith?

 

[Master D]

When Brook got caught badly in the opening minute or so I was like 'oh fucking hell' cos he went all jelly legged and was hanging on for dear life. But I thought he collected himself brilliantly and made GGG look a bit one-dimensional for a bit, at least for a round or two. He was landing some big big uppercuts and getting round the sides of Golovkins guard for fun. His eye did look bad, but the fact is he needed KO as he was never going to last the distance fighting that high energy style and eating big middleweight shots.

Obviously GGG is a monster, but it's obvious to me you stick him with a true slickster, he can be beat in a decision. There's nobody like that around his weights though unless he steps up a weight and gets his ears boxed off by Andre Ward for 12 rounds. I think GGG beats Alvarez because it willl just be a power war, and GGG wins that for me. Can't the fight being made though

He needed a KO, which was actually more unlikely than him lasting the distance. There's a blueprint there to beat GGG and it is everything Andre Ward is, the size, skill and boxing brain to beat him. Lara is probably the nearest guy, he has the skills and brain but not the size.

Saunders v GGG would be a good fight, he has a chin but I can't see him having the stamina to reach the final bell. I watched the HBO version and they sensibly said Brook only won round 2 but that GGG looked as vulnerable as he has done for a long, long time. GGG said he wanted a boxing match but after the second round it wasn't working so he went out to destroy. He definitely struggled with Brook's speed and was countered a lot. It's just constant pressure from GGG though, it must be hard to deal with as you don't have a second to think in there because he's right on you all the time trying to walk you down.

 

[spireite]

He needed a KO, which was actually more unlikely than him lasting the distance. There's a blueprint there to beat GGG and it is everything Andre Ward is, the size, skill and boxing brain to beat him. Lara is probably the nearest guy, he has the skills and brain but not the size.

Saunders v GGG would be a good fight, he has a chin but I can't see him having the stamina to reach the final bell. I watched the HBO version and they sensibly said Brook only won round 2 but that GGG looked as vulnerable as he has done for a long, long time. GGG said he wanted a boxing match but after the second round it wasn't working so he went out to destroy. He definitely struggled with Brook's speed and was countered a lot. It's just constant pressure from GGG though, it must be hard to deal with as you don't have a second to think in there because he's right on you all the time trying to walk you down.

Especially with a guy with that power. You feel thhe power and think 'fuck, he really can hit' then he's just in front of you constantly not giving you a minute. Incredible pressure

 

[Leewilson]

I thought Brook fought with a fantastic skill and guile. I don't see why he can't step up again. He's faced the man who throws the hardest punches at that weight and stood up to it. Hopefully he gets more big fights in the future as I think he's proved he's more than capable of beating some big names hovering around his weight.

 

[4froale]

So as expected Canelo stops smith. Looks like he has been calling out GGG. I would love to see it happen but can't see past a GGG win by ko.

 

[Master D]

Smith did ok but it was a massive step up from the people he's been in with. Didn't disgrace himself and can come back and showed enough to suggest he can win another title at the weight and him v Brook is on the table for next year I would have thought. I think the interest would be there even without any belts on the line.

Canelo calling GGG out again is a bad joke, everyone knows Golovkin's team would do anything to make that fight happen ASAP. De La Hoya is just waiting for GGG to get old and on the slide before he agrees to sacrifice his main man.

 

[GodsGift]

Yeah Smith did alright. What the fuck has Warren been doing with him before this fight though? His CV is woeful.

 

[Woodworm]

Standard Warren

 

[GodsGift]

Fury v Klitschko is off AGAIN because Tyson has been declared "medically unfit", yet Hennessy won't say what the injury actually is.

The guy's worse than David Haye ffs.

 

[Master D]

He must be close to being stripped of all belts now. Medically unfit, i.e. he is about 25 stone 5 weeks out from a fight. His career goal was basically to beat Klitschko and win a world title and he did that and hasn't seemed arsed about the sport since. Such a shame because a fit and motivated Fury still beats Joshua and any other heavyweight right now. That Fury v Joshua fight would be the biggest UK clash in many years, it would be a Wembley sellout. Funny how these self proclaimed gypsy "fighting men" hardly ever do it isn't it. Saunders is another, hasn't fought this year but is now calling Golovkin out as he's seen the pound signs after realising how popular GGG is over here.

 

[spireite]

Wow, really surprised Fury has canned the fight again.. said noone ever. Guy's wasting everyones time

 

[Abertawe]

It's heavily speculated he's suffering from mental health issues, probably fair to cut him a bit of slack.

 

[JonBCFC]

It's heavily speculated he's suffering from mental health issues, probably fair to cut him a bit of slack.

Why? Did he have mental health issues when he was calling haye all the names under the sun for cancelling a fight twice?

Plus the numerous occasions he's let fly at a number of different people, and generally being a twat. I don't believe a word that comes out of the fury camp, constant mind games and excuses. I'm just of the opinion that he knew he wouldn't win and didn't fancy it.

 

[Destruction]

Is Crolla fighting a bum tonight or is it a proper fight?

TIA.

 

[Master D]

Proper opponent, he needs to go up another level to beat Linares. Barroso turned out to be just a brainless banger who gassed himself out, Linares is a proper boxer. Backing Crolla by stoppage rounds 9-12.

 

[Master D]

For me that is 116-112 to Linares. Showed real class.

 

[Gilly?]

Had Linares well up, Crolla punches like a girl.

 

[4froale]

I backed Linares at 7/4 when the odds came out, couldn't believe the price he was at. I'm good friends with crollas younger brother who said they had spent hours and hours working on moving around Linares counter attacking style but unfortunately it wasn't to be.

Rematch is hard to call as Crolla knows more about Linares now.

 

[Gilly?]

Crolla's biggest mistake for me was everyone he got a little flurry in he came out of it far too early, Linares didn't even look like countering in those exchanges. Could have done much more damage there.

 

[Abertawe]

Same old Joe Gallagher tactics, it isn't enough against top class technical operators. By the time Crolla decided to take the fight to Linares he was just as fatigued and couldn't step on the gas.

 

[Master D]

Gallagher employs the same gameplan for all of his stable, instead of adapting and using each fighters strengths to their advantage. Normally he can be relied on to get his guys super fit for fights but the 'walk forward high guard' just isn't going to cut it against the elite. His strategy seems to be to wait for the opponent to make mistakes or for them to gas out then let superior fitness take over. Against elite fighters it just doesn't seem to happen. Let's hope Callum Smith doesn't become as one-dimensional.

 

[shane]

a fit and motivated Fury still beats Joshua and any other heavyweight right now.

Outrageous claim. I know Joshua hasn't fought anyone but I'd still have him to batter Fury, regardless of how good a condition hes in.

 

[Abertawe]

Outrageous claim. I know Joshua hasn't fought anyone but I'd still have him to batter Fury, regardless of how good a condition hes in.

Compare their movement mate, AJ walks in cement compared to Fury. & his ring IQ is also streets ahead. If you start making AJ miss and confuse him with movement (see Savon in the amateurs) he doesn't have an awful lot. He's still an exceptionally dangerous fight for Fury because of his obvious traits but I have a feeling that fight would end up very one sided, probably summed up by Joshua following Fury around the ring and getting tagged with point scoring shots all night long.

 

[GodsGift]

It's not an outrageous claim at all. Fury would start favourite for that fight and deservedly so.