The Boxing Thread

[Master D]

I could watch that knockout all day long. Right in front of Hearn too. Take that.

Bellew won the first 3 rounds while Usyk was warming up. Broke him down and Bellew gassed out.

 

[shane]

I could watch that knockout all day long. Right in front of Hearn too. Take that.

Bellew won the first 3 rounds while Usyk was warming up. Broke him down and Bellew gassed out.

I wasn’t a TB lover before the fight but massive respect to him against what was very clearly a fighter in a completely different league.

Unbelievable KO.

 

[Master D]

I wasn’t a TB lover before the fight but massive respect to him against what was very clearly a fighter in a completely different league.

Unbelievable KO.

He did well until Usyk made the adjustments I thought. There was no way he could beat the man over 12 rounds as Usyk is the younger and fitter man, Bellew has been in one too many wars.

That's about the 6th time Usyk has gone into someone's hostile backyard and come out with the win. Bellew has been conclusively knocked out twice and they've both been to southpaws. He was also floored by Makubu who was a southpaw. He's had a good career though.

 

[shane]

He did well until Usyk made the adjustments I thought. There was no way he could beat the man over 12 rounds as Usyk is the younger and fitter man, Bellew has been in one too many wars.

That's about the 6th time Usyk has gone into someone's hostile backyard and come out with the win. Bellew has been conclusively knocked out twice and they've both been to southpaws. He was also floored by Makubu who was a southpaw. He's had a good career though.

I was hugely impressed by the opening rounds but once Usyk wobbled him at the bell, the writing was on the wall.

Usyk will presumably make the move to HW in 2019 but not sure he’s big enough for the likes of AJ or Fury. He’s definitely smarter and more skillled than AJ but not sure he can get anywhere near his power. Could probably say the same for Wilder but in terms of ring smarts, Wiler is basically a toddler with a massive swing. Further, as ever, is a difficult to predict. Ursyk Fury could be the fight to hope for.

 

[Master D]

I was hugely impressed by the opening rounds but once Usyk wobbled him at the bell, the writing was on the wall.

Usyk will presumably make the move to HW in 2019 but not sure he’s big enough for the likes of AJ or Fury. He’s definitely smarter and more skillled than AJ but not sure he can get anywhere near his power. Could probably say the same for Wilder but in terms of ring smarts, Wiler is basically a toddler with a massive swing. Further, as ever, is a difficult to predict. Ursyk Fury could be the fight to hope for.

I don't think there's any way Usyk could deal with AJ, just not happening. He is just far too big and powerful to cope with.

I'd back Usyk to maybe beat someone shorter like Parker. If he's going to HW then he needs very selective matchmaking as despite that KO I don't believe Usyk has great power to take up there. If they can base Usyk in the UK from now I can see him being built very nicely at HW. But as I say, with very selective matchmaking.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

The big heavies like AJ would probably walk through Usyk and break him eventually, Bellew was clipping him with some heavy right hands, AJ or a Wilder clips him with that and it's lights out. He can definitely win a belt at Heavy but they need to match him carefully and hope AJ has to vacate one. Fair play Bellew though has massively overachieved in his career and is a multi millionaire.

How bad was the undercard last night btw, glad I used an illegal stream. Dave Allen needs to go and sign with Frank Warren, has Hearn ever given this guy a proper training camp? He's 26 and seems punch drunk already.

 

[Big Bird]

I disagree with Usyk struggling at heavyweight. I could easily see him potshotting for the early rounds and taking over as the fight progresses. He'd give the big guys nightmares from 7 onwards. I think he cleans out the division.

 

[spireite]

With Usyk, if you're a Deontay Wilder, or an Anthony Joshua or even a Dillian Whyte, you just rush Usyk pretty early. Throw big hellacious heavyweight hooks and straight rights with power. See what happens when one lands on Usyk with genuine heavyweight power. I don't think any of the heavyweights could outbox him, but he's not a true heavyweight at the end of the day. Usyk isn't going to KO you with one shot power, so just see how he responds to you landing a couple of bombs.

What about Fury vs Wilder fight then? I can see Fury dominating the score cards until the middle rounds/second half the fight, then get caught by one leaning away, or against the ropes. Fury is better boxer, no doubt, but you tend to think Wilder will connect at some point and it's how Fury reacts. Wilder and Joshua are the types of heavyweight with that type of power that even if you catch it on your guard, or try to ride the punch, it still messes you up. I'd love Fury to win and if I was forced to put money in it I'd probably go for a Fury decision, but I can't get away from this thought that Wilder will catch him at some point while Fury is trying to lean away from one, which will probably be good night.

 

[Master D]

I'll believe it when it happens. It's nowhere near a sellout.

I see Fury spoiling again, making it awful and just pitter-patter nicking early rounds but I just can't see Wilder not landing something huge at some point. Plus Wilder will know Fury hasn't got the power to stop him so is likely to throw even more caution to the wind than usual.

 

[quickeyg]

I'll believe it when it happens. It's nowhere near a sellout.

I see Fury spoiling again, making it awful and just pitter-patter nicking early rounds but I just can't see Wilder not landing something huge at some point. Plus Wilder will know Fury hasn't got the power to stop him so is likely to throw even more caution to the wind than usual.

I'm pushing towards Deontay Wilder & Tyson Fury being a 49/51 fight. Wilder has never ever fought an elite fighter until now & Tyson Fury isn't 100%. I will be setting my alarm for about 2:50am. I've been reading the Americans can watch the fight at their local cinema (Lucky them) Also there are some interesting fighters on the undercard, Joe Joyce, Luis Ortiz, Anthony Yarde, Jarret Hurd.

 

[Liam_SWFC]

I'm pushing towards Deontay Wilder & Tyson Fury being a 49/51 fight. Wilder has never ever fought an elite fighter until now & Tyson Fury isn't 100%. I will be setting my alarm for about 2:50am. I've been reading the Americans can watch the fight at their local cinema (Lucky them) Also there are some interesting fighters on the undercard, Joe Joyce, Luis Ortiz, Anthony Yarde, Jarret Hurd.

Far better undercard than the tripe Eddie Hearn served up last week.

 

[quickeyg]

Far better undercard than the tripe Eddie Hearn served up last week.

Hoping BT Sport Box Office show the Chavez Jr fight which isn't on the card & the Adonis Stevenson fight aswell - now that would be a bonus. I'm happy with the undercard though.
Oh and by the way if you haven't seen the Wilder Fury RoundTable Chat, check it out - you might want to grab some food and drink, I found it enjoyable.

 

[Gilly?]

It's an interesting one this, whilst Fury hadn't looked great in previous fights, he's only ever really done enough to get the win rather than look good. I don't see it being any different against Wilder. I'd fully expect this to be quite cagey, Fury will sit behind a jab and do uninspiring work and smother the human windmill to either a dull points decision.

 

[LeylandWhite]

I'm pushing towards Deontay Wilder & Tyson Fury being a 49/51 fight. Wilder has never ever fought an elite fighter until now & Tyson Fury isn't 100%. I will be setting my alarm for about 2:50am. I've been reading the Americans can watch the fight at their local cinema (Lucky them) Also there are some interesting fighters on the undercard, Joe Joyce, Luis Ortiz, Anthony Yarde, Jarret Hurd.

The fighters might be interesting but the fights they're in aren't.

Yarde v TBA - TBA's got a punchers chance I suppose. I can't get excited about a fighter who's just not being given any kind of a serious step up. Yarde and his team should stop claiming they're beyond British level and prove it if they want to be taken seriously.

Joyce v Hanks - an easy nights work for Joyce, Hanks has got a winning record on paper but has fought nobody.

Ortiz v Kauffman - another easy nights work, Kauffman is nowhere near Ortiz's level.

Hurd v Welborn - Welborn's been brought in to be cannon fodder after a bit of a lay off for Hurd, another one sided fight.

I'll just be getting up for the main event and catching up with the undercard in the morning I reckon.

 

[Master D]

Amazing performance from Fury. I have never seen anything like the way he got up in that last round.

I had it 114-113 to Fury. He's still the lineal champion. Definitely rematch. 115-111 for Wilder is a joke scorecard.

 

[Chief Rocka]

115-111, even with the two 10-8 rounds is borderline mental.

The Mexican judge had Wilder winning rounds 1-4

 

[spireite]

How do you give 7 of the 12 rounds to Wilder? Something needs to be done about this in boxing

 

[Super_horns]

Seems to happen after every draw - brown envelopes involved or just bad officiating?

 

[Master D]

2 of them gave Wilder round 7. I’m sorry but that is corruption. I remember it clearly being Fury’s best round of the fight. It was literally all Fury. They should be made to watch it back and explain what they are seeing to score it that way.

I didn’t agree with it being a complete Fury shutout from rounds 1-5 but Wilder certainly didn’t win 4 of them like the Mexican judge reckoned. Those early rounds were subjective and you could have made a case either way on most of them. Fury took over the middle rounds and although the knockdown in the 9th he still came back to conclusively win the next 2 rounds.

 

[Gilly?]

I only gave Wilder the rounds he knocked Fury down in. Joke of a decision but what do you expect when someone travels to the US for a scrap.

 

[Stagat]

Fury won.

Weirdly I reckon that amazing Undertaker style recovery in round 12 is gonna be a bigger part of his eventual legacy than a points win after an uneventful last round would have been.

 

[PaulHaddock]

Fury schooled Wilder for most of that fight. The knockdowns saved Wilder from embarrassment. 12th round was pure entertainment and like most people, I was amazed when Fury got up from that. Great comeback from the lad.

 

[spireite]

Seems to happen after every draw - brown envelopes involved or just bad officiating?

The more you find out about judging in boxing, the more you can't believe it's allowed to happen in professional sport. I believe the home promoter chooses the judges, pays them, pays their expenses and sorts their accomodation etc etc. There's articles and shit online about it

 

[Master D]

DeGale v Eubank confirmed.

Eubank wins this IMO, way too relentless and DeGale won't be able to deal with his constant pressure every second of every round. DeGale used to take rounds off in his prime nevermind now when he's been in too many wars. Cash-out fight for DeGale and then retirement.

 

[Robert Molenaar]

And there will be people out there that will actually pay for the PPV....

 

[LeylandWhite]

Doesn't interest me one bit. Eubank will be too much for Degale at this stage of their careers I reckon, Eubank by stoppage for me.

 

[spireite]

I actually disagree. James DeGale should win comfortably IMO. DeGale is good defensively, he's awkward, you know he switches stance like a LOT and it's pretty unique. Eubank can't box and will be totally discombobulated. I don't get the pressure argument when DeGale fights so well off his back foot. Shit, he out boxed Badou Jack on his back foot 11 rounds. Pretty easy points win for DeGale or even KO. Shocked to see Eubank as favourite. He's only 32, he's not shot.

 

[Hurrikeen]

I actually disagree. James DeGale should win comfortably IMO. DeGale is good defensively, he's awkward, you know he switches stance like a LOT and it's pretty unique. Eubank can't box and will be totally discombobulated. I don't get the pressure argument when DeGale fights so well off his back foot. Shit, he out boxed Badou Jack on his back foot 11 rounds. Pretty easy points win for DeGale or even KO. Shocked to see Eubank as favourite. He's only 32, he's not shot.

He's shot IMO. Even in his better days he coasted for too many rounds, sat on the ropes, and that's bread and butter for a pressure fighter like Eubank, whether you have better skills or not. I just don't think Degale has the fitness or drive in him any more and is just chasing money fights now. Giving up his belt because he knew Uzcategui would have smoked him says everything.

On a separate note, I see Beefy Smith has moved over to Hearn. Think that means we will likely see Smith v Brook at some point this year. A decent fight that, though it better not be PPV.

 

[quickeyg]

Can't wait for the 23rd February they got some cracking fights lined up for us that day/night.
James DeGale vs Chris Eubank Jr & Joe Joyce vs Bermane Stiverne and Lee Selby vs Omar Douglas. I think Degale wins by schooling Eubank Jr and Joe Joyce KO's Stiverne COLD. Selby should win. It's pay per view on itv but well worth it, 20 quid ain't much plus you get the American card later on and Anthony Dirrell vs Avni Yildirim stands out for me.
The Face To Face Round Table chat was good this evening - does Eubank Jr think he can
really beat Degale?

 

[LeylandWhite]

Can't wait for the 23rd February they got some cracking fights lined up for us that day/night.
James DeGale vs Chris Eubank Jr & Joe Joyce vs Bermane Stiverne and Lee Selby vs Omar Douglas. I think Degale wins by schooling Eubank Jr and Joe Joyce KO's Stiverne COLD. Selby should win. It's pay per view on itv but well worth it, 20 quid ain't much plus you get the American card later on and Anthony Dirrell vs Avni Yildirim stands out for me.
The Face To Face Round Table chat was good this evening - does Eubank Jr think he can
really beat Degale?

Why wouldn't he? He's not facing the Degale of 3/4 years ago, he's facing the Degale that got beat by Caleb Truax. Eubank isn't very good but he's relentless and Degale likes to take breathers in fights, he won't be given the oppurtunity against Eubank. It smells of a cash out fight for Degale to me. Having said all that if Degale has managed to get over the injuries and is anywhere near his best then it's a different fight to the one I'm expecting.

Joyce v Stiverne, I can't see anything other than a one sided beat down that ends very quickly in Joyces favour.

Will be interesting to see how Selby looks moving up in weight, looking forward to that fight.