The Euro 2016 qualifiers thread

[denizgelir]

Oguzhan Ozyakup is a really special player.Today , he was very important part of Turkey.We saw that.He started to prove himself this year with our new coach.I think we'll see him in bigger teams in the coming years

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

Cyprus v Belgium still 0-0... you just know Belgium will score 87th minute to make us wait a bit longer

Almost. 86th.

 

[Master D]

That was a really frustrating game and probably would have been a very easy win had we taken the one and only glorious chance in the opening 10-15 mins.

Cyprus v Belgium still 0-0... you just know Belgium will score 87th minute to make us wait a bit longer

Standard. Cock tease us for 86 mins and then leave Hazard free in the box.

 

[Libertadores FC]

Was purely talking about Intercontinental Cups, as I don't feel that's particularly relevant, no idea why you've decided my opinion for me in the last few lines.

Because you were agreeing with G-Dragon, and the Intercontinental Cup IS relevant as it was made specifically to determine which continent has the best team in the World. South America has kept more consistent with it, and even if Europeans DON'T care about it, there is no excuse to get beat so badly like Flamengo did to Liverpool and Penarol did to Benfica if the Europeans are much better. Yes, Europe is miles ahead of South America now (at least in club football) but the modern day doesn't affect the past. By that logic, Liverpool was never the best in the world because they don't do well these days.

Santos, Independiente, Boca, River, Atletico Nacional, Racing, Penarol, Universitario, Colo-Colo, Flamengo, and Sao Paulo have all been World Class. When Steau Bucharest wins the fucking Champions League, it shows how much better South American football was. And before you argue against that, look at all these Paraguayan teams that are getting to the finals of Continental competitions? Prior to 2014, the only Paraguayan team to have reached the final was Olimpia, and their NT still can't get itself together.

I could name so many World Class players who have played for South American teams the majority of their careers. From Pele, to Juan Roman Riquelme.

I would argue even that Club World Cup is relevant despite all the teams except the Europeans being shit. Yes its relevant and the Europeans have gotten emotional over it before. I have video proof.

You English always bash the Americans for not knowing much about football, but the English have problems too. They don't support their national team and think South American football at their lowest points (which is probably now) is the equivalent of non-league football which is embarrassing seeing as South Americans have won every here and there. 1 example CORINTHIANS.IN.2012.AGAINST.CHELSEA, and I'm not stupid enough to say Corinthians were better than Chelsea.

 

[Modernist]

Enough of this fighting, let's all have sexy time together.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

Looks like Italy are going to bore their way into the finals. 11 goals scored in 8 games in a group containing Malta and Azerbaijan? Christ.

Well done to the Czechs for qualifying but huge congratulations must go to Iceland. I'm surprised it's not been more widely remarked upon. For a country of little over 300,000 people to qualify for a major tournament with a couple of games to spare is a remarkable achievement.

 

[Benji]

I know it's just Kazakhstan, but I've been quite impressed with how Iceland have knocked the ball about. Doesn't look like a fluke they're at the top.

It's no fluke. About 10-15 years ago, they invested in high quality indoor football facilities. Weather conditions used to mean they could only train in the summer months, whereas now they can play all year round. This is the first Icelandic generation to have grown up playing football all year round.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I wonder if Czech Republic and Iceland will have 'off' days against Turkey and make sure The Netherlands stay at home...

 

[Super_horns]

Wonder what odds you would have got with an Iceland/Czech top 2?

Wales are all but there really despite not winning today.

 

[Nath]

They've gone to shit?

They were shit since the World Cup. After the Spain game they were bang average. Its cringeworthy how many people say they were good while those same people say Argentina was shit. If they get outplayed by fucking Mexico then they are nothing more than bang average.

The European centric people are one reason I find European football overrated entertainment wise.

That's what I meant, ever since the World Cup they seem to be getting worse. At least they qualified for the World Cup and still got third place. Now they offer nothing.

Getting beat by Iceland and hammered by Turkey won't go down well.

 

[G-Dragon]

Of course that means something. Yes, the Europeans don't take it AS seriously, but its a cup made to determine the best team in the World. If you can't win it, can you call yourself the best in the world?

Nowadays, the prestige has been taken out of it with the Club World Cup, and if a South American team wins it, I wouldn't call them the best team in the world, but if the European doesn't win it, then that European ISN'T the best team in the world.

Of course it does. Everyone with a decent football knowledge would agree Barcelona was the best team in the world last season, it does not matter if they win the Club World Cup or not. They didn't win Super Copa last season, does that NOT make them the best team in the world?

And it does not matter what Club World Cup is supposed to be, winning the Champions League is much much bigger to any player in the world.I would put Club World Cup in the same bracket as these friendly cups we seem to have every summer nowadays. Playing teams like TP Mezembe and Raja Casablanca in the final must be a great entertainment.

 

[Libertadores FC]

Of course it does. Everyone with a decent football knowledge would agree Barcelona was the best team in the world last season, it does not matter if they win the Club World Cup or not. They didn't win Super Copa last season, does that NOT make them the best team in the world?

And it does not matter what Club World Cup is supposed to be, winning the Champions League is much much bigger to any player in the world.I would put Club World Cup in the same bracket as these friendly cups we seem to have every summer nowadays. Playing teams like TP Mezembe and Raja Casablanca in the final must be a great entertainment.

Did I say that? No, I said the intercontinental cup was more important because that was during an era where South America and Europe were extremely close in terms of level. I clearly said that the Club World Cup is important, but the prestige has been taken out of it now that Europe is miles ahead of everyone.

And you're missing the point, South American football WAS better until about 2002 however you bring up the Club World Cup which is important (putting it in the same bracket as the friendly cups is idiotic, and I have video proof) and when you compare it to the Intercontinental cup, the Club World Cup is Europe, Europe Europe where as the Intercontinental cup was SA, Europe, SA, Europe and I don't mean that as part of the fact as they are the only teams participating in it, I meant South America showed consistency and on several occasions, they humiliated the Europeans. If South America showed consistency as the Club World Cup, they would be the best in the world, but that isn't the case and never will be the case ever again given that businessmen have ruined football with their money. I do follow European football but at times I try to avoid it because its not that much fun to watch as South American football and constant wanking over competitions like the Premier League and the UCL drag me away as its extremely annoying.

Keep gloryhunting. I've been to Anfield more times than you.

 

[G-Dragon]

Did I say that? No, I said the intercontinental cup was more important because that was during an era where South America and Europe were extremely close in terms of level. I clearly said that the Club World Cup is important, but the prestige has been taken out of it now that Europe is miles ahead of everyone.

And you're missing the point, South American football WAS better until about 2002 however you bring up the Club World Cup which is important (putting it in the same bracket as the friendly cups is idiotic, and I have video proof) and when you compare it to the Intercontinental cup, the Club World Cup is Europe, Europe Europe where as the Intercontinental cup was SA, Europe, SA, Europe and I don't mean that as part of the fact as they are the only teams participating in it, I meant South America showed consistency and on several occasions, they humiliated the Europeans. If South America showed consistency as the Club World Cup, they would be the best in the world, but that isn't the case and never will be the case ever again given that businessmen have ruined football with their money. I do follow European football but at times I try to avoid it because its not that much fun to watch as South American football and constant wanking over competitions like the Premier League and the UCL drag me away as its extremely annoying.

Keep gloryhunting. I've been to Anfield more times than you.

Yes you did, see what I quoted.

Also, no need to act self pretentious. Look at the money in Brazilian League compared to some of the other leagues in South America.
The only thing that is getting annoying is you trying to point how much you don't like European football every single thread.

About going to Anfield, I doubt it considering your hatred towards European football and their dominance. You can keep lying to yourself.

 

[Libertadores FC]

Yes you did, see what I quoted.

Also, no need to act self pretentious. Look at the money in Brazilian League compared to some of the other leagues in South America.
The only thing that is getting annoying is you trying to point how much you don't like European football every single thread.

About going to Anfield, I doubt it considering your hatred towards European football and their dominance. You can keep lying to yourself.

Please name other threads where I hate on European football. I have done it before, but I don't do it in every thread. I will kindly admit that I'm wrong if I am.

And I have been to Anfield before, I was there for the 2-2 vs Arsenal. I have photo proof.

 

[Libertadores FC]

And yes, there is money in Brazil as well as in Mexico, but piss poor management brings it down. Argentina has a much better league than both.

 

[JimJams]

I just don't see where you get 2002 from. Your examples like Penarol and Flamengo are from the 61 and 81 as well as others. You also go on to say that Corinthians beat Chelsea but that doesn't mean you think they're better than Chelsea, yet your whole argument rests on these one off meetings to establish who is better. You can't have it both ways. Either these games are the determining factor in who is better or they're not. As you've already stated that in the Cor V Che game it does not because you don't believe Corinthians were the better team, you haven't got much of an argument.
I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily but I'm going to take some convincing that it stretches up to 2002.
You also use World cups as a factor in your favour by mentioning the Brazil sides who consisted of players all playing in Brazil, but again this half a century ago. If you want to talk about World cups let's take a look at the winners from the 20 years preceding and including the 2002 world cup, as I think you've used the last world cup won by a South American side as your marker for when this supposed dominance ended.
20 years is also a good period to look at as the winner jumps from each continent one to the next.
So:
1982 Italy
1986 Argentina
1990 West Germany
1994 Brazil
1998 France
2002 Brazil
Ok, so I'm going to start by looking at the players in the respective South American sides and see who and how many were plying their trade in SA.
From the 86 Argentine side the majority played their football in Argentina with a few moving to Europe in the years after their WC triumph, however in the starting line up for the final all 3 of Argentinas attacking players, including the GOAT played in Europe. Maradona with Napoli, Valdano with Real Madrid and Burruchaga with Nantes.
From the 94 Brazil side Branco (1 season at Gremio) Mazinho and Zinho at Palmeiras are the only players that played in South America. All the others played in Europe.
From the 2002 Brazil side only Marcos the goalkeeper, Gilberto who later went on to Arsenal and Kleberson, Man Utds favourite son, played in South America. Probably worth noting too that the latter pair both immediately signed for European clubs once they were world cup winners.
So of the 3 South American world cup winners the majority (the vast majority of Brazilians) all played in Europe. The best Argentinians also played in Europe. So from this it's pretty reasonable to say that the best South American players were plying their trade in European football.
Now lets take a look at the European winners...
Well that didn't take long, they all played in Europe. So the best South American players played in Europe, the best Europeans played in Europe, yet South American football, something lacking in the best players, was somehow superior? And it's only a Eurocentric view that says otherwise? It seems to me the arguments you use to validate your points completely nullify them.

 

[Libertadores FC]

Think about this though: Which European would actually want to live in South America.

I love my continent, but Europe is mostly first world while South America is third world.

And I got 2002 because that is the last time a SA team won the World Cup and also in the 90's and early 2000's, South America still won a fair amount of intercontinental cups. Velez, Sao Paulo twice in a row, Boca Juniors all won it, and Once Caldas came close to beating Porto.

And I see it as a Eurocentric view not because of their opinion, but because of how much I hear this shite. To say European football was better historically, ok fair enough. Even if I didn't say that earlier. However, some people were laughing my opinion off and that is what I view eurocentric. Calling the intercontinental cup irrelevant is idiotic. Do the South Americans have no way to prove themselves? Europe isn't better just because they are better.

Think it would be good to end it there to be honest. In my opinion, South American football has been historically the better continent until 2002 of course, but I do think its a very, very close debate and anyone who says IN THEIR OPINION that Europe is better, I respect that.

 

[HarvSFC]

We all remember when Lib tried to say that a goalkeeper playing in South America was much better than David De Gea on TFF, right?

 

[Libertadores FC]

We all remember when Lib tried to say that a goalkeeper playing in South America was much better than David De Gea on TFF, right?

Fuck off

 

[voltage]

Belgium vs Cyprus was a very truss match. Belgium has a great squad that enable high quality performances, still in wait for that.

 

[SALTIRE]

Wish us luck for tonight. We're gonna get Mullered. ..

 

[Stevencc]

http://streamable.com/g97x

Four absolutely brilliant crosses from Depay. All four should have been put away.

 

[smat]

the last two

 

[Stevencc]

They actually look like they are trying to prevent a goal on those two. Great defending.

 

[Christian Slater]

http://streamable.com/g97x

Four absolutely brilliant crosses from Depay. All four should have been put away.

Depay:

 

[JimJams]

Holy shit that's tragic stuff.

 

[Nath]

We're seriously struggling against Georgia. Embarrassing.

 

[G-Dragon]

What a game Scotland vs Germany, and they said European football isn't entertaining...

 

[Libertadores FC]

What a game Scotland vs Germany, and they said European football isn't entertaining...

Hahahahaha what a fucking ****. I never said the matches weren't entertaining (except in the Premier League)

 

[SALTIRE]

Yeah we are giving them a game. It'll all end in failure though but we are going down fighting at least.