The Labour Thread

[Aber gas]

Tbh we could do with a decent purge of the plp. The Tory apologists that have been allowed to flourish in recent times need rooting out. I thought they might do the decent thing and piss off to the lib dems but alas no. That would have taken a bit of backbone I suppose.

 

[Hooped Wizard]

Front bench rebellion months into party leadership.

The scruffy fucker is puddled.

I'll be honest you're by far the best posters on this forum.

I didn't think I liked you either but when your not dick waving you're sound.

 

[Hooped Wizard]

There's only 2 parties that have a chance in Wells mate and that's Tory or Lib Dem,Labour have never got anywhere near winning here so i vote to keep the Tories out. Before moving here i had voted Labour since i could first vote in Slough in 1978.

With the new boundary changes your seat which will be called Burnham and Glastonbury by 2018 will be a very safe Tory seat sadly.

 

[Hooped Wizard]

Tbh we could do with a decent purge of the plp. The Tory apologists that have been allowed to flourish in recent times need rooting out. I thought they might do the decent thing and piss off to the lib dems but alas no. That would have taken a bit of backbone I suppose.

Don't agree with Corbyn = Tory apologist

 

[Aber gas]

Don't agree with Corbyn = Tory apologist

Not automatically, but there are labour MPs who are actively working against the party. They have never shared our core values and need to be put against a wall ( metaphorically of course).

 

[Gashead]

When the PLP can't even be arsed to watch the two interviews Corbyn gave yesterday, it makes you wonder if they would support the man regardless of his opinions. What he actually said (with context included ) no sane person would particularly disagree with. Benn was bringing up points that Corbyn had already covered yesterday, but not in the BBC's 30 second clip.

So, are his comments this evening about doing what is necessary a big scary U-turn? Or is he merely repeating what he said yesterday, in that he'd like a political settlement to take precedent before people are killed?

Does it not worry people that the PLP are carrying the same level of information as the tabloids? What does that tell you about their priorities? Think about what the tabloid press advocate in their articles and think if we want that reflected in the way the Labour party operates.

 

[TheArtfulDodger]

Shoot to kill sounds like a shit James Bond rip off (as if you can get worse than the real thing). The absolute priority in a situation is to prevent further deaths and injuries, if that involves killing the terrorist then it is absolutely necessary. Second priority would be to arrest the suspect and put them through the normal legal process, with hopefully a chance to extract information from the person. If there is a threat to life that can be prevented only by killing the terrorist then of course they should be killed, Corbyn hasn't disagreed with that.

 

[Dave-Vale]

This whole media lynching of Corbyn is really, really starting to piss me off.

 

[JJ1532]

This whole media lynching of Corbyn is really, really starting to piss me off.

Get used to it. It's going to be like this until the day he leaves office. If this annoys you, I'd hate to see what mood you'll be in should he still be Labour leader come the next generals.

 

[Christian Slater]

This whole media lynching of Corbyn is really, really starting to piss me off.

The ferocity of the attacks show they're scared of him. I can't remember the media going all out on a candidate like this before.

 

[Freakyteeth]

I'll be honest you're by far the best posters on this forum.

I didn't think I liked you either but when your not dick waving you're sound.

<3

Any L1 forum posts are usually just trying to get a reaction tbh

 

[Aber gas]

I can vaguely remember kinnock getting a going over by the press in the late eighties and dear Michael foot was roundly ridiculed by the gutter press before that. Your right though these attacks are completely over the top. I'm most dissapointed by the likes of Toynbee and other nominally Labour journalists who seem to have taken the rejection of their pet candidates personally. The rest of the self serving "free press" I didn't expect any better from tbh.

 

[Dave-Vale]

The 'Jihadi Jez' headline that Sky ran on an article last week was absolutely disgusting. As was the disgraceful front page The Sun gave him for not bowing low enough.

The right wing gutter press in this country are fucking villainous and have far too much pull on how people think.

I'm unsure as to why people are having a go at him for being a pacifist.

 

[Aber gas]

The 'Jihadi Jez' headline that Sky ran on an article last week was absolutely disgusting. As was the disgraceful front page The Sun gave him for not bowing low enough.

The right wing gutter press in this country are fucking villainous and have far too much pull on how people think.

I'm unsure as to why people are having a go at him for being a pacifist.

Jezza is a left wing, vegetarian socialist who refuses to compromise his values or comply with the right wing narrative pushed by the gutter press. They were always going to go for him.
Fwiw I reckon they've gone too early and overplayed their hand. Corbyn clearly doesn't give two fucks what they think and neither do I. It's all about social media now innit.

 

[Freakyteeth]

The man would be better suited to running a vegan fairtrade lentil growing commune.

Let's imagine a fantasy world where people are mentally ill and actually vote him into power.

Would you trust Neil from the Young Ones but just grown up, put in charge of the Labour Party and stuffed in a hemp suit sewn by Vietnamese gender fluid disabled children who sexually identify as grapefruit to lead a world superpower, taking decisive strong action on issues like ISIS and Russia in Ukraine when required?

Look what the fucker did to Global Oil in the Dallas episode. Neil Neil orange peel.

 

[rudebwoyben]

The man would be better suited to running a vegan fairtrade lentil growing commune.

Let's imagine a fantasy world where people are mentally ill and actually vote him into power.

Would you trust Neil from the Young Ones but just grown up, put in charge of the Labour Party and stuffed in a hemp suit sewn by Vietnamese gender fluid disabled children who sexually identify as grapefruit to lead a world superpower, taking decisive strong action on issues like ISIS and Russia in Ukraine when required?

Look what the fucker did to Global Oil in the Dallas episode. Neil Neil orange peel.

Yes, our sane moderate leaders who have been in power since 1997 have dealt really well with the big geo-political issues since then, haven't they?

 

[smat]

Jezza is a left wing, vegetarian socialist who refuses to compromise his values or comply with the right wing narrative pushed by the gutter press. They were always going to go for him.
Fwiw I reckon they've gone too early and overplayed their hand. Corbyn clearly doesn't give two fucks what they think and neither do I. It's all about social media now innit.

Lol, no! Where do you think the vast majority of voters gets their news from? Not fucking Owen Jones on Twitter, or OpenDemocracy.net.

 

[Freakyteeth]

Yes, our sane moderate leaders who have been in power since 1997 have dealt really well with the big geo-political issues since then, haven't they?

Check your grapefruit privilege you white cis gendered racist SHITLORD

You have a problem with me because I'm a non gender-binary trans-fat otherkin don't you?

I sexually Identify as an Attack Helicopter. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of soaring over the oilfields dropping hot sticky loads on disgusting foreigners. People say to me that a person being a helicopter is Impossible and I'm fucking retarded but I don't care, I'm beautiful. I'm having a plastic surgeon install rotary blades, 30 mm cannons and AMG-114 Hellfire missiles on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me "Apache" and respect my right to kill from above and kill needlessly. If you can't accept me you're a heliphobe and need to check your vehicle privilege.

If you need me I'll be on my Tumblr blog fighting the patriarchy.

 

[Aber gas]

Lol, no! Where do you think the vast majority of voters gets their news from? Not fucking Owen Jones on Twitter, or OpenDemocracy.net.

I respectfully disagree with you. Corbyn achieved a massive victory in the leadership election by his supporters mobilising using social media. There is no reason why it can't be replicated on a grander scale.

 

[smat]

I respectfully disagree with you. Corbyn achieved a massive victory in the leadership election by his supporters mobilising using social media. There is no reason why it can't be replicated on a grander scale.

This is confusing correlation with causation. Social media was prominent in Labour's leadership election, but by far the biggest actor was the introduction of votes for £3 registered supporters.

Corbyn achieved a massive victory by getting left-wing people to vote for him. That is not a reliable tactic on a national level because there aren't enough of them, and because the vast majority of voters are no more than casual observers of politics, and almost certainly don't follow Another Angry Voice on Facebook. Newspaper circulation has gone down, but the mainstream press still calls the shots as far as the agenda goes. Writing off its influence might be comforting, but in reality it's just complacent, and you're setting yourself up for a massive disappointment at the polls imo.

 

[Aber gas]

This is confusing correlation with causation. Social media was prominent in Labour's leadership election, but by far the biggest actor was the introduction of votes for £3 registered supporters.

Corbyn achieved a massive victory by getting left-wing people to vote for him. That is not a reliable tactic on a national level because there aren't enough of them, and because the vast majority of voters are no more than casual observers of politics, and almost certainly don't follow Another Angry Voice on Facebook. Newspaper circulation has gone down, but the mainstream press still calls the shots as far as the agenda goes. Writing off its influence might be comforting, but in reality it's just complacent, and you're setting yourself up for a massive disappointment at the polls imo.

You are right about all of those things and reading back I have come across as complacent. I'm not, I understand there is a massive challenge and for any chance of victory ,Labour needs to work ten times harder than the Tories.
For me it's about grass roots activism ( including social media) , getting the message across and getting our vote out. Not just at ge time but in every single council election/ by election etc leading up to it.

 

[GodsGift]

It just comes across as very naive. Social media gave the impression that Miliband was doing alright and in with a chance of leading a coalition at this year's election, and look how that one turned out. There's no chance "Middle England" (horrible cliche, I know) will vote for Corbyn.

 

[Aber gas]

It just comes across as very naive. Social media gave the impression that Miliband was doing alright and in with a chance of leading a coalition at this year's election, and look how that one turned out. There's no chance "Middle England" (horrible cliche, I know) will vote for Corbyn.

I don't agree that I'm naive, I've spent years volunteering with groups who deal with poverty and have seen firsthand what the Tory government has done to this country. I've also spent years campaigning for the Labour Party and have never seen grass roots activists so enthused. I know middle England will never vote for corbyn but they're not the be all and end all of an election. Perhaps you're right and I'm naively working towards nothing but that's not how I see it. ( how I can't see it )

 

[mnb089mnb]

I don't agree that I'm naive, I've spent years volunteering with groups who deal with poverty and have seen firsthand what the Tory government has done to this country. I've also spent years campaigning for the Labour Party and have never seen grass roots activists so enthused. I know middle England will never vote for corbyn but they're not the be all and end all of an election. Perhaps you're right and I'm naively working towards nothing but that's not how I see it. ( how I can't see it )

Will local Labour parties have lots of people out knocking on doors now? Who did all that work in the last election for Miliband? Are they really going to be enthused enough to do it for Corbyn?

 

[Christian Slater]

Corbyn has galvanised a student base that's been disillusioned since the Lib Dems decided to set themselves back for decades. Students don't make a huge difference in the polls but they are hard campaigners, although it could be argued that has a detrimental effect.

 

[Aber gas]

Will local Labour parties have lots of people out knocking on doors now? Who did all that work in the last election for Miliband? Are they really going to be enthused enough to do it for Corbyn?

Hopefully mnb because the only way labour will win the next election is with a bottom up campaign. It means knocking on doors, politicising students, winning the argument on a local level, engaging with people on a community basis and myriad other things that I'm probably going to get sneered at for suggesting.

 

[mowgli]

Hopefully mnb because the only way labour will win the next election is with a bottom up campaign. It means knocking on doors, politicising students, winning the argument on a local level, engaging with people on a community basis and myriad other things that I'm probably going to get sneered at for suggesting.

No sneering from me i welcome anyone's views even if i don't agree with them. My views may not go down well with some but i have a right to express them as well as those who disagree with my views, that is the way things should work. Debate is the way things should work for a forthright discussion and nobody should be abused for their point of view if they truly hold their views and not just trolling. Now it's my turn to get abuse or sneered at.

 

[Christian Slater]

Sounds like something a pacifist like Corbyn would say. Terrorist sympathiser.

 

[AFCB_Mark]

Ken Livingstone a paragon of polite, grown up and non abusive debate it turns out today! #NewBrandOfPolitics

TBF I know he's long been a bit of a nutcase and not one to have a long temper, but a shame it took such pressure for him to eventually apologise.

 

[mowgli]

Sounds like something a pacifist like Corbyn would say. Terrorist sympathiser.

Yeah okay mate. I just believe that everyone's views should be heard even if i don't agree with them,we still live in a democracy right?