The Mansfield, Notts County, Lincoln and East Midlands mega thread

[CFC91]

I didn't even know Chesterfield and Mansfield were rivals!

Educate yourself my lad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-visits-Chesterfield-v-Mansfield-rivalry.html

A decent tenuously linked article - https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...chester-united-co-were-fuelled-britains-mines

 

[Vanni]

I was a FourFourTwo subscriber for about five or six years starting from 2007. They used to run this series about the world's biggest (and most dangerous) derbies and they covered the Chesterfield Mansfield rivalry in one issue of the mag. It was a monthly affair, and you'd get to read up on all sorts of derbies, mostly well known ones like Roma -Lazio, Boca - River Plate, Real -Athletico and Celtic -Rangers, but I used to find the other 'not-so-well known' ones a much better read.

I don't think they covered other lower division rivalries, so the Chesterfield/Mansfield one is most certainly a big one if they took the time to run a feature on it. IIRC, they said this game wasn't such a big deal before the whole Scargil/Maggie affair, and things only got bitter after the miners strike.

 

[Son of Cod]

Of course Grimsby v Lincoln is bigger, it's got the Cowleys.

 

[Flaxman's Alibi]

I'd suggest that Onedecentlester and WH Stag have their own thread, but I'm not certain that they aren't the same person.

 

[AdamStag]

I was a FourFourTwo subscriber for about five or six years starting from 2007. They used to run this series about the world's biggest (and most dangerous) derbies and they covered the Chesterfield Mansfield rivalry in one issue of the mag. It was a monthly affair, and you'd get to read up on all sorts of derbies, mostly well known ones like Roma -Lazio, Boca - River Plate, Real -Athletico and Celtic -Rangers, but I used to find the other 'not-so-well known' ones a much better read.

I don't think they covered other lower division rivalries, so the Chesterfield/Mansfield one is most certainly a big one if they took the time to run a feature on it. IIRC, they said this game wasn't such a big deal before the whole Scargil/Maggie affair, and things only got bitter after the miners strike.

Very true, but one of the articles is correct in the sense that things soothe over a period of time, and this is also the case, 33 tomorrow, I was born in 84 when it happened so whereas I'm well aware of the history, it lessens as time progresses. I wouldn't risk my job (or do it anyway) to smack someone as they follow Chesterfield, that would be madness. I also don't have the hatred I had for them when I was 18 and football meant everything.

If we beat Chesterfield then bloody fantastic, do everything we can during the games to beat them, but if it doesn't work out, well, there's bigger things to worry about than football.

 

[Stringy]

I don't think that the miners' strike factors into the rivalry at all any more really given that it was 30+ years ago. Maybe it did in the early 00s but you would need to pretty much be a pit pensioner for it to still be significant to you now. And if you've got your pit pension then you're probably laughing because you're a pit pensioner and you're a baby boomer.

I feel that any animosity in the rivalry is just the folly of adolescence or a bit of senseless knuckledragging. We have barely played in the same division in recent years. Besides, Chesterfield the town is nice.

 

[Youpies]

24 years ago Chesterfield was the first away ground I went to. At 6 I was treated to a chorus of 'id rather be a p*ki than a scab'

Pretty much the most overt racism I've ever seen chanted in England

 

[Impish]

Not much between the clubs, both done a lot of business this summer. Some astute signings, some not so wise.

O'Grady's on more than Morecambe's budget but very good player. Angol should deliver goals so both strong going forward.
But if I had to choose, and it's a tough decision...I'd say Chesterfield will go bust first

 

[GTFCfish]

24 years ago Chesterfield was the first away ground I went to. At 6 I was treated to a chorus of 'id rather be a p*ki than a scab'

Pretty much the most overt racism I've ever seen chanted in England

My first away ground too when I was a kid, May 1990 getting spat at by the Chesterfield fans through the segregation fence, lovely times.
I remember a couple of our fans were struggling to see the action so for a better view they climbed to the top of the floodlights....

 

[Richard Cranium]

I was a FourFourTwo subscriber for about five or six years starting from 2007. They used to run this series about the world's biggest (and most dangerous) derbies and they covered the Chesterfield Mansfield rivalry in one issue of the mag. It was a monthly affair, and you'd get to read up on all sorts of derbies, mostly well known ones like Roma -Lazio, Boca - River Plate, Real -Athletico and Celtic -Rangers, but I used to find the other 'not-so-well known' ones a much better read.

I don't think they covered other lower division rivalries, so the Chesterfield/Mansfield one is most certainly a big one if they took the time to run a feature on it. IIRC, they said this game wasn't such a big deal before the whole Scargil/Maggie affair, and things only got bitter after the miners strike.

That was the first edition of FourFourTwo I ever read and I had no idea it had a feature about us in it when I bought it. Love that magazine.

 

[CFC91]

That was the first edition of FourFourTwo I ever read and I had no idea it had a feature about us in it when I bought it. Love that magazine.

I tried to find that article but doesn't seem to be available online anymore

 

[CFC91]

My first away ground too when I was a kid, May 1990 getting spat at by the Chesterfield fans through the segregation fence, lovely times.
I remember a couple of our fans were struggling to see the action so for a better view they climbed to the top of the floodlights....

There is a great thread on our board about previous ding dongs with Grimsby and prediction of all hell breaking loose on the opening day of the season, that day gets a mention

 

[Luke Imp]

Surely Grimsby v Lincoln is on a par with chesterfield v mansfield would people not agree?

I don't think there's any real historical 'real life' rivalry between us and the Cods. It's only due to location but attendance wise it's probably bigger.

 

[IanPVFC]

Mustn't know much about football then haha

To be fair we've barely played you since I started going the Vale regularly in 91 so it's never been something on my radar!

Educate yourself my lad

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-visits-Chesterfield-v-Mansfield-rivalry.html

A decent tenuously linked article - https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...chester-united-co-were-fuelled-britains-mines

Consider myself a bit more enlightened

 

[Son of Cod]

That was the first edition of FourFourTwo I ever read and I had no idea it had a feature about us in it when I bought it. Love that magazine.

Wait, that was a real post from Vanni? I just read all those big derbies and thought he was parodying.

 

[Vanni]

Wait, that was a real post from Vanni? I just read all those big derbies and thought he was parodying.

Haha no it's true. But I was wrong when I said 442 didn't feature other lower league derbies as one of my mates has just reminded me they also covered the Essex derby. Thing was that 442 had to be at the upcoming match between the two clubs they were running a feature on, so they couldn't feature us vs the pish for instance as we weren't in the same division at the time. And still aren't Not that they could ever find enough content to fill 5 full pages mind you except to say that we hate each other. And I suspect the same goes for a lot of derbies.

 

[AdamStag]

I don't think there's any real historical 'real life' rivalry between us and the Cods. It's only due to location but attendance wise it's probably bigger.

Don't really Go down the route of cockwaving over attendances but was 10500 last time we played them at the 2bet or whatever it's called.

 

[Son of Cod]

Don't really Go down the route of cockwaving over attendances but was 10500 last time we played them at the 2bet or whatever it's called.

Well, Lincoln have sold that many season tickets so you can put your little tiddler away mate.

 

[Luke Imp]

Don't really Go down the route of cockwaving over attendances but was 10500 last time we played them at the 2bet or whatever it's called.

Which presumably was close to a sell-out, which is the same as when it's Grimsby vs Lincoln.

Mansfield vs Chesterfield isn't as highly attended, much like Lincoln vs Grimsby (until this season, I imagine where it'll probably exceed Grimsby/Lincoln).

 

[OneDecentLester]

I don't think there's any real historical 'real life' rivalry between us and the Cods. It's only due to location but attendance wise it's probably bigger.

I'd just like to point out that our average attendance last season was higher than Lincoln's, Mansfield's and Grimsby's even though it was one of our worst seasons in the clubs history...

Therefore I'd be confident in saying the attendance in our Derby will more than likely be higher than yours... That's if the Mansfield fans actually turn up when we play them at Field Mill this time as I seem to remember A LOT of empty seats in the home end the last time we played over there! Could have just gave us 3 sides again and not lost out on income?

 

[Luke Imp]

You had the luxury of fans in the away end. That's a novelty where we were.

 

[Stringy]

I'd just like to point out that our average attendance last season was higher than Lincoln's, Mansfield's and Grimsby's even though it was one of our worst seasons in the clubs history...

Therefore I'd be confident in saying the attendance in our Derby will more than likely be higher than yours... That's if the Mansfield fans actually turn up when we play them at Field Mill this time as I seem to remember A LOT of empty seats in the home end the last time we played over there! Could have just gave us 3 sides again and not lost out on income?

I've just looked into this purely out of interest. You averaged 5,929 which is pretty good given the season that you had. It is down 11.2 per cent on the season before.

Our average gate was 3,774 which is an increase of 9.7 per cent.

Edit: I've edited this a number of times and finally deleted part of this post as I'm chatting bollocks

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveeng.htm

 

[spireite]

I've just looked into this purely out of interest. You averaged 5,929 which is pretty good given the season that you had. It is down 11.2 per cent on the season before.

Our average gate was 3,774 which is an increase of 9.7 per cent.

Edit: I've edited this a number of times and finally deleted part of this post as I'm chatting bollocks

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveeng.htm

That's a fucking high quality website right there!

 

[Stringy]

Yes, fills you with confidence doesn't it

 

[OneDecentLester]

I've just looked into this purely out of interest. You averaged 5,929 which is pretty good given the season that you had. It is down 11.2 per cent on the season before.

Our average gate was 3,774 which is an increase of 9.7 per cent.

Edit: I've edited this a number of times and finally deleted part of this post as I'm chatting bollocks

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/aveeng.htm

So basically all you've done there is repeat what I said, that our average attendance was higher than yours?

 

[Spanishstag]

Im 60 now dont let these derbyshire fookwits tell you its all about the miners ive hated them since the 60s , went to saltergate in the 70s and we gave them shit they are basically the dregs of society

 

[OneDecentLester]

Im 60 now dont let these derbyshire fookwits tell you its all about the miners ive hated them since the 60s , went to saltergate in the 70s and we gave them shit they are basically the dregs of society

Someone's a little salty

 

[spireite]

Im 60 now dont let these derbyshire fookwits tell you its all about the miners ive hated them since the 60s , went to saltergate in the 70s and we gave them shit they are basically the dregs of society

Errrr... I'll have you know...
http://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/ne...-as-one-of-uk-s-top-summer-hotspots-1-8643085

No need to apologise, you probably didn't know

 

[Stringy]

So basically all you've done there is repeat what I said, that our average attendance was higher than yours?

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you. Your attendances are good. Football is better supported by your lot and that's probably reflective of not only the success you've had in recent years but also the relative affluence of Chesterfield compared to Mansfield. I punched median incomes into Google and the median income for Chesterfield (2011) was £20,000 while the median for Mansfield was £17,000. The figures are obviously a few years older now but I imagine they are still indicative of our towns.

Increasing attendances will be tough in the background of increasing ticket prices at the Mill. However, we added close to 1,000 to the gate over the course of last season and I think that is good news. In the Conference we were sometimes struggling to get 2,000, so I'm not grumbling at gates of 4,000.

 

[spireite]

Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you. Your attendances are good. Football is better supported by your lot and that's probably reflective of not only the success you've had in recent years but also the relative affluence of Chesterfield compared to Mansfield. I punched median incomes into Google and the median income for Chesterfield (2011) was £20,000 while the median for Mansfield was £17,000. The figures are obviously a few years older now but I imagine they are still indicative of our towns.

Increasing attendances will be tough in the background of increasing ticket prices at the Mill. However, we added close to 1,000 to the gate over the course of last season and I think that is good news. In the Conference we were sometimes struggling to get 2,000, so I'm not grumbling at gates of 4,000.

I think Chesterfield can be a bit of a commuter belt for Sheffield, Derby, Nottingham areas as well because of good motorway links. You've just got an easily accessible bypass and you're on the M1. Mansfield, whilst being small and reasonably close to the motorway as the crow flies, has bad motorway links and the main roads in general are awkward to drive and busy. That might skew the salary median a bit.

I know this only because my missus works in the regeneration sector I hasten to add