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lolYou are a moron.
lolYou are a moron.
No, that says "Open or Die" not any German stuff....
Just to be a dour bastard, as is my wont, I thought Oliver made a good case for bringing in more refugees...by pointing out they were undergoing extensive vetting, unlike on mainland Europe. I think there are probably three broad arguments (obviously there will be variations therein):
and you're an obnoxious gobshite.You are a moron.
and you're an obnoxious gobshite.
I know full well that die means "the" in German. But it is nothing to do with what is being said there despite what Herts implied.Fuck sake.
Ian is one of the best posters on here. You might not agree with his views but he can back up his Marxist position. To call him a moron, fuckwit( on a another thread) and to "fucking do one " is fucking shite tbh."Borders are violence" is a stupid statement. How can a border itself be violent? He condones violence used to get to his political goals where he says that the use of threats by these refugees is an acceptable thing to force people to change their minds. He stated that the sign saying "Open or Die" is acceptable yet tells us that these people are peaceful the next moment? Someone who is peaceful does not hold up a sign saying give me what I want or I will kill you.
Ian Wrexham is one of those nutters who bangs on about cisgender privilege, and white male privilege. Don't believe me, just look at his previous posts. I bet the recent news that white men are most likely not to go to university is one he conveniently ignores.
I know full well that die means "the" in German. But it is nothing to do with what is being said there despite what Herts implied.
Ian is one of the best posters on here. You might not agree with his views but he can back up his Marxist position. To call him a moron, fuckwit( on a another thread) and to "fucking do one " is fucking shite tbh.
white men do have it pretty hard
first point is solved with feminism. patriarchy hurts men as well as women with its foolish conceptions of strength and masculinity. hiding emotions with bravado and machismo etc
edit: oh wait i get ya nowThat doesn't make sense. Predominantly white countries are probably the least patriarchal in the world. If anything, then, it's the most feminism-influenced men that are suffering the most.
i read this a couple times still makes no sense to me
oh i get ya. way i heard it argued in america as to why white men were second largest suicide risks (after (i think) native americans) was to do with survival tactics. african americans were used to having to fight for what they needed was the basic argument. more used to the struggle in a way. their parents had fought for their rights, they had first hand experience with systemic racism and they were (per capita) far poorer than white men on average. white man goes through hard times there's less of a community in many ways, and (generally speaking of course) not so much experience with fighting and working the system. the argument for why men kill themselves more than women is well documented but the minority suicide argument makes some sense in the american context. i imagine it plays somewhat into ours, although the uk has always been more of a classist than an overtly racist society though so it's a bit different here. i'd also be interested in religion amongst non-whites in the uk. i'd assume (willing to be proven wrong here) that on average ethnic minorities are more religious, and religious people kill themselves a lot less than those without a faith (or those with cultural religion)
it's an interesting topic though
Men undeniably have a voice though. I certainly wouldn't seek to deny that it's an issue worthy of attention but surely gender norms are a big part of the problem? The idea that men are expected to be the breadwinners, protectors and providers remains very prevalent - when they struggle to fulfill that role they lack self-worth, feel emasculated. And this is essentially the problem so far as I can see - the stats show that females are even more likely to experience suicidal thoughts. The fact that they're less likely to act upon them may be down to better support networks but it may also reflect the fact that men are deeply reluctant to seek help and support as a result of their conditioning, where crying or displaying any kind of emotional openness is very much discouraged.
no but u were oddly yet characteristically quick to dismiss the feminist theory behind the high suicide rate, without offering anything really as a rebuttal
that's a false equivalency. men are more likely to kill themselves than women, by and large, due to societal pressures associated with being a man. [...]
it's 4.30 am gimme a breakHow do you know that? And I'm guessing you meant false dichotomy. That's fair I suppose. It's still some weight against the radfem explanation, with none yet for it as far as I can see.
Men undeniably have a voice though. I certainly wouldn't seek to deny that it's an issue worthy of attention but surely gender norms are a big part of the problem? The idea that men are expected to be the breadwinners, protectors and providers remains very prevalent - when they struggle to fulfill that role they lack self-worth, feel emasculated. And this is essentially the problem so far as I can see - the stats show that females are even more likely to experience suicidal thoughts. The fact that they're less likely to act upon them may be down to better support networks but it may also reflect the fact that men are deeply reluctant to seek help and support as a result of their conditioning, where crying or displaying any kind of emotional openness is very much discouraged.
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