the Migrant Crisis

[Aber gas]

I didn't say that. But I'll take the bait.

1. White men are more likely to commit suicide than any other ethnic group in western countries.
2. White men in Britain are least likely to go to university and are themselves becoming a "disadvantaged group". Access to education is a key element of judging whether groups are fairly represented by society-http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10195336/UCAS-white-teenagers-less-likely-to-apply-to-university.html

Ian and his ilk act like white people have the world on a string, life is easy as fuck and everything just falls onto a plate for them. That attitude is genuinely harmful and helps reinforce the negative attitudes men have towards seeking assistance for mental health problems.

I disagree. Anyone who suggests that white people cannot be victims of racism because of the colour of their skin (an ironic little bit of racism itself) is a moron and a fuckwit, and I assert my right to say so.

Ethnic minority representation in management and senior supervisory roles is falling. The House of Commons is still predominately white male dominated, the lib dems don't have a single dark face amongst them I believe( hav'nt checked).Black kids are still more likely to be the victims of crime, stopped by police and discriminated against in the workplace.
Whitey got it real hard.

 

[smat]

Fucking white men nerding around with gender role squabbles at 4am on Friday nights. No wonder you want to kill yourselves.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Dunno really. Maybe it's biological, maybe the extra outward aggression that testosterone gives us can also be turned inwards. It would perhaps explain why male suicide attempts are more aggressive also.

An interesting associated fact is that although men kill themselves at higher rates than women, women attempt to kill themselves at higher rates.

 

[smat]

Maybe that's why we're paid so much more? Because we get the job done.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

I disagree. Anyone who suggests that white people cannot be victims of racism because of the colour of their skin (an ironic little bit of racism itself) is a moron and a fuckwit, and I assert my right to say so.

There's two possible reasons I'd say that. Either the dictionary definition of racism is, well, definitive and I am a massive anti-white racist, a moron and a fuckwit and you have every right to call me such.

Or people's understanding of what racism is and how it acts has moved on beyond what the dictionary says and my understanding of that is slightly more sophisticated than yours. Spoiler warning, but it is actually the second one.

Here's a physics example:
Me: light can be a particle
You: how can light be a particle when it's a wave. You're a moron and a fuckwit and I assert my right to say so.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

Maybe that's why we're paid so much more? Because we get the job done.

Yeah, and in ways more likely to endanger others. Pretty much white men's motto that.

 

[HertsWolf]

No, that says "Open or Die" not any German stuff....

Oh classic! I think others have responded to you better than I can. But yes, it was based on Sideshow Bob's defence.

Can I suggest that just sometimes you just let us imagine you are a fool than post here and confirm it beyond all doubt?

 

[HertsWolf]

That's an odd thing to say. I didn't even drawn any conclusions, let alone convenient ones.

Yet.

 

[HertsWolf]

https://vine.co/v/OprQ6hnYwEj

Thanks, although I really didn't think anyone needed to actually have to explain the absurdity

I missed a trick. Should have written it says "Open or. Die Katze wird es" but my German is very rusty and I don't know if that make sense.

 

[HertsWolf]

<looks at the title of thread> "the Migrant Crisis".
<wonders how ownership of a white penis became the main thrust of our debate>

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

There's two possible reasons I'd say that. Either the dictionary definition of racism is, well, definitive and I am a massive anti-white racist, a moron and a fuckwit and you have every right to call me such.

Or people's understanding of what racism is and how it acts has moved on beyond what the dictionary says and my understanding of that is slightly more sophisticated than yours. Spoiler warning, but it is actually the second one.

I wouldn't word it the way you have, but if it's either, it's the first one. What people overwhelmingly understand racism to mean is discrimination against others based on their race or ethnicity. What you're doing is trying to appropriate the word racism in order to maintain the illusion that your position is a pro-equality one, instead of what it really is, which is pro-minority one. If all you and the ethnic studies lecturers posing as serious academics wanted to do was better communicate your ideas, then you wouldn't muddy the water by talking about racism using a definition that most people aren't familiar with (and then chastise them for disagreeing with), you'd simply talk about the White Power Structure™, which is what you're really referring to anyway.

I suppose it's easy though for a white Westerner to imagine that anti-white racism doesn't really exist at all when you haven't had your friends or family raped and murdered for being the wrong colour farmer in the wrong part of the world...

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Do you still think this is the case? I'm not sure. My missus makes more money than I do, and I do most of the cooking in our house. I don't feel emasculated

do u represent the entirety of the male world

 

[HertsWolf]

If all you and the ethnic studies lecturers posing as serious academics wanted to do was better communicate your ideas, then ...

This is where a lot of your arguments fail, tbh. Your first sentences make for interesting debate on their merits alone, but then you add a very subjective construct and - vavoom - interest lost in the rest.

Your final paragraph tends to suggest that you have had friends or family raped and murdered for being the wrong colour. In which case, you have my commiserations, that must have been an awful, traumatic experience for you and your family. I am genuinely sorry that that happened.

 

[spireite]

do u represent the entirety of the male world

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[HertsWolf]

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[Womble98]

Ethnic minority representation in management and senior supervisory roles is falling. The House of Commons is still predominately white male dominated, the lib dems don't have a single dark face amongst them I believe( hav'nt checked).Black kids are still more likely to be the victims of crime, stopped by police and discriminated against in the workplace.
Whitey got it real hard.

The country is 81.9% white British. It is therefore proportionate to have a House of Commons dominated by white people. 6.6% of our MP's are ethnic minorities. Obviously if only ethnic minorities could represent ethnic minorities then it should be 20%, but this is something I disagree on.

As for gender, the figures are changing rapidly, about 30% of MP's are female up from 22% the previous term. The number of private educated ones is roughly the same I believe. That is a far more worrying fact. Morgan Freeman makes an interesting argument about race, he speaks in an interview that the day he is no longer referred to as a black actor will be the day racism begins to end.

There's two possible reasons I'd say that. Either the dictionary definition of racism is, well, definitive and I am a massive anti-white racist, a moron and a fuckwit and you have every right to call me such.

Or people's understanding of what racism is and how it acts has moved on beyond what the dictionary says and my understanding of that is slightly more sophisticated than yours. Spoiler warning, but it is actually the second one.

Here's a physics example:
Me: light can be a particle
You: how can light be a particle when it's a wave. You're a moron and a fuckwit and I assert my right to say so.

In other words, you have decided to make up a definition.

 

[Ian_Wrexham]

The country is 81.9% white British. It is therefore proportionate to have a House of Commons dominated by white people. 6.6% of our MP's are ethnic minorities. Obviously if only ethnic minorities could represent ethnic minorities then it should be 20%, but this is something I disagree on.

As for gender, the figures are changing rapidly, about 30% of MP's are female up from 22% the previous term. The number of private educated ones is roughly the same I believe. That is a far more worrying fact. Morgan Freeman makes an interesting argument about race, he speaks in an interview that the day he is no longer referred to as a black actor will be the day racism begins to end.

In other words, you have decided to make up a definition.

Yeah, in exactly the same way that I made up wave-particle duality.

 

[Womble98]

Yeah, in exactly the same way that I made up wave-particle duality.

Afraid I can't comment on that, I know nothing about physics.

Can you explain your understanding of racism then?

 

[TheMinsterman]

it's 4.30 am gimme a break
and i don't know, none of us do it's all a matter of interpretation innit. i'd be interested in why u think men lead women on suicides all over the world

Surely that is part of the problem, has there ever truly been a great effort to research why men kill themselves so much indepth? I'll hold my hands up and admit I am wrong if there has been but even just on a academic level, the research into women/minority rights and issues is significantly higher. Mental health care/understanding in general is a shambles and nowhere near adequate, and that's here in the UK where you'd expect it to be.

 

[TheMinsterman]

<looks at the title of thread> "the Migrant Crisis".
<wonders how ownership of a white penis became the main thrust of our debate>

Quiet Herts, we're mansplaining in here.

 

[silkyman]

Has this really gone into the realms of 'white men can stop moaning because their lives are always perfect'?

Until we deal with sexist air conditioning, you can fuck off with your prostate cancer until you kill yourself because you're not allowed to see your kids anymore.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

that really wasn't what anyone was saying, but thanks for bringing some nuance to an interesting topic

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 35m35 minutes ago

EU agrees to give Turkey 3bn euros to help address migrant crisis, and to revive Turkey's EU accession process

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 35m35 minutes ago

EU agrees to give Turkey 3bn euros to help address migrant crisis, and to revive Turkey's EU accession process

haha ffs. first bit's good, second nah. this current regime is the worst turkish regime in at least a couple decades. we did fuck all to help them join the eu when they were an acceptableish muslim state. now they hold the keys to this migrant crisis we offer up the eu option again. despite many of us being in a fucking proxy war with them. i dunno, the eu is s'posed to be a cultural/economic organisation with the human rights charter and things. this move is due to security issues though, it sounds like realpolitik and i don't like it

 

[SUTSS]

Surely the Turkish can't join whilst they occupy territory in an EU state?

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

Surely the Turkish can't join whilst they occupy territory in an EU state?

both cyprus and turkey are happy with the status quo, the bigger issue is still most of europe not wanting the addition of 80 million muslims

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I don't suppose many people are too keen on effectively sharing a border with Iraq, Iran and Syria either.

 

[HertsWolf]

When you take over there will be a long queue to be first up against the wall.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

 

[Freakyteeth]

It's a very long wall capable of recieving multiple undesirables simultaneously for processing

The Great Wall of Chesterton