The National League resolution vote

[Stocky]

I'd null and void too, just not been a proper season at all.

From a selfish point of view, I'd take a PPG scenario if they assured that the play offs would be played in good time. A mini cup comp is worth it to try and get out of this league.

The whole football pyramid needs to be on its toes for next August. Get fans back in and get proper football back. Nothing should get in the way of that.

 

[BornUnderTheElmslie]

I'd be staggered if the NL season was curtailed. The potential consequences with the EFL are too great for the majority of clubs so we'll soldier on regardless. And despite all the negativity so many like to peddle at the moment, there is light at the end of the tunnel. I think we'll see fans back in grounds in April given the vaccination numbers and the rapid decline in cases (down by nearly 33% last week). And that gives clubs nearly a quarter of the season in front of spectators.

 

[John Still]

Cancel it we have a chance of being relegated this is how it works right? Seriously though finish it as I want to see McMahon sacked he eventually will be given our February fixture list.

 

[Gladders]

If the north and south finish but the national carries on, how would that work for relegation?

Surely you can't carry on with no relegation, brings the integrity of the competition into dispute with teams near the bottom not bothering, or what's to stop them Flatly refusing to play to save money if there is nothing to play for? And if forced to play, just playing weakened teams etc.

 

[jacobncfc]

If the north and south finish but the national carries on, how would that work for relegation?

Surely you can't carry on with no relegation, brings the integrity of the competition into dispute with teams near the bottom not bothering, or what's to stop them Flatly refusing to play to save money if there is nothing to play for? And if forced to play, just playing weakened teams etc.

Think I said this in the other thread, but bring back the north and south to finish a 23 game season in the late spring and early summer so you can keep relegation and promotion.

Probably even be crowds in some form by then. Put me in charge.

 

[Blue Lion]

If the north and south finish but the national carries on, how would that work for relegation?

Surely you can't carry on with no relegation, brings the integrity of the competition into dispute with teams near the bottom not bothering, or what's to stop them Flatly refusing to play to save money if there is nothing to play for? And if forced to play, just playing weakened teams etc.

I mean that's the most likely scenario as it stands in the North and South divisions if the leagues below them are curtailed. Or if the National League does stop then it'll be like that in League 2. Got to draw the line somewhere.

 

[Shrimper92]

Reckon NL will continue, NLN/S cancelled.

Could they not combine last season with this for PPG to keep NLN/S Relegation etc?

 

[Shrimpurh]

Chief Sports Writer at The Times reporting all three leagues likely to be terminated as early as this week potentially.

 

[John Still]

Given how tight the league is for play offs surely most clubs will want to continue, be surprised if it doesn’t continue despite what the times chief sports writer says, sure he actually knows sod all about this division.

 

[jacobncfc]

Given how tight the league is for play offs surely most clubs will want to continue, be surprised if it doesn’t continue despite what the times chief sports writer says, sure he actually knows sod all about this division.

It’s come from one of your directors who is also on the NL board. Interestingly timed on the same day as the petition, which Dagenham also seem pretty big on. Feels more like a pressure tactic.

Most NL clubs certainly aren’t behaving like they expect the season to be ending imminently, considering the number of signings the last couple of days.

 

[Gladders]

I mean that's the most likely scenario as it stands in the North and South divisions if the leagues below them are curtailed. Or if the National League does stop then it'll be like that in League 2. Got to draw the line somewhere.

Aye but the national League and league 2 are run by two different organisations so probably best to draw the line there if it has to be drawn at all, not within a competition by the same organiser.

 

[Jerry]

Copied this suggestion for how to finish the season from one of our forums:

I would say our level continues. If one or two (Dover? King's Lynn?) don't want to, they can stop now and take relegation. Wipe their games from the table and complete the season. If two did drop out, you would only need to relegate one more. At the second level, wipe the tables out but have fresh promotion play-off leagues starting ASAP for those who want to compete. If say ten teams in North and ten in South fancy it, have an 18 game season - two up from each. You'd have to adjust the format depending on number of teams and possibly adjust or remove the North / South divide. No relegation for those who opt out.

 

[jacobncfc]

Aye but the national League and league 2 are run by two different organisations so probably best to draw the line there if it has to be drawn at all, not within a competition by the same organiser.

That’s one of the difficulties, though - the pyramid has evolved so that the line is probably in the wrong place. Naturally I would say between vast majority full time and vast majority part time leagues is the obvious place, but that falling within the same organisation is problematic.

If it’s a majority vote, so 12 needed with Wrexham abstaining, I can’t see where the numbers are coming from to end the season at this level.

Rough working, but you’ve already got publicly in favour of continuing:

Notts
Hartlepool
Sutton
Maidenhead
Altrincham
Solihull
Chesterfield

I think you could fairly confidently add Torquay, Stockport, Bromley and Boreham Wood to that as well.

 

[John Still]

It’s come from one of your directors who is also on the NL board. Interestingly timed on the same day as the petition, which Dagenham also seem pretty big on. Feels more like a pressure tactic.

Most NL clubs certainly aren’t behaving like they expect the season to be ending imminently, considering the number of signings the last couple of days.

Yep he is our MD (small shareholder) and has overseen our decline as a club over the past decade and signed up 3 terrible managers and refused to sack 2, he is a big figure on the NL board hence why it’s run like a shambles.

 

[jacobncfc]

Yep he is our MD (small shareholder) and has overseen our decline as a club over the past decade and signed up 3 terrible managers and refused to sack 2, he is a big figure on the NL board hence why it’s run like a shambles.

Managed to read the full thing - the headline is extremely misleading, ‘club representatives’ turning out to be, well, just him.

 

[John Still]

Looked like another click bait article from the outset. I don’t trust a word he says, he tried to let Tamplin buy us.

 

[Chief Rocka]

You can write on a postage stamp what the Chief Sports writer at The Times knows about NL, Ollie Bayliss is probably the only person with any sort of credibility reckons clubs still haven't received the resolutions that were meant to arrive today.

 

[Gladders]

That’s one of the difficulties, though - the pyramid has evolved so that the line is probably in the wrong place. Naturally I would say between vast majority full time and vast majority part time leagues is the obvious place, but that falling within the same organisation is problematic.

If it’s a majority vote, so 12 needed with Wrexham abstaining, I can’t see where the numbers are coming from to end the season at this level.

Rough working, but you’ve already got publicly in favour of continuing:

Notts
Hartlepool
Sutton
Maidenhead
Altrincham
Solihull
Chesterfield

I think you could fairly confidently add Torquay, Stockport, Bromley and Boreham Wood to that as well.

I don't think the league should stop at all, however I also don't think people can argue about the integrity of the competition if the north and south do stop.if that happens the integrity is lost because of no relegation, especially with so much of the season still to play.

Those clubs in the national who vote not to carry on and know there is no relegation will probably either stop playing to save money or not try.

 

[DarkSithLord]

Voting papers beginning to arrive according to Concord/Hungerford.

Surprise surprise its not straight forward

 

[doveranddover]

does this mean no decision until March?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1356338888890068993

 

[springerbfc]

Null and void. Or any outcome which avoids relegation from the NL. It’s the fairest way.

 

[doveranddover]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1356339186295570432

 

[Chief Rocka]

Glad to see they kept it simple.

 

[Atavistic]

So, based on how Ollie Bayliss explains it, resolution 1 needs 75% of votes to pass, after which 2 and 3 respectively only need 50% of votes to pass. Alternatively, if resolution 1 doesn't pass, resolution 4 then only needs 50% of votes to pass.

If I'm understanding correctly, doesn't that essentially give the North and South clubs a veto on resolution 1, given that they comprise 2/3 of the National League's member clubs? Only one full division of clubs would need to vote against resolution 1 to veto it in that case, and then it would only take 2/3 of the North and South clubs to vote in favour of resolution 4 to end the season.

In other words, assuming each member club's vote is weighted equally, it's hard to see any scenario other than the full National League structure being null-and-voided, as the North and South clubs can easily outvote the Premier clubs to get the outcome they desire (and that's without even considering the possibility of some Premier Clubs also being in favour of stopping the season).

Extremely short-sighted to jump to null and void if it does happen, in my opinion.

 

[jacobncfc]

So, based on how Ollie Bayliss explains it, resolution 1 needs 75% of votes to pass, after which 2 and 3 respectively only need 50% of votes to pass. Alternatively, if resolution 1 doesn't pass, resolution 4 then only needs 50% of votes to pass.

If I'm understanding correctly, doesn't that essentially give the North and South clubs a veto on resolution 1, given that they comprise 2/3 of the National League's member clubs? Only one full division of clubs would need to vote against resolution 1 to veto it in that case, and then it would only take 2/3 of the North and South clubs to vote in favour of resolution 4 to end the season.

In other words, assuming each member club's vote is weighted equally, it's hard to see any scenario other than the full National League structure being null-and-voided, as the North and South clubs can easily outvote the Premier clubs to get the outcome they desire (and that's without even considering the possibility of some Premier Clubs also being in favour of stopping the season).

Extremely short-sighted to jump to null and void if it does happen, in my opinion.

Resolution 1 and 4 are voted on in the NL’s normal way, which is heavily weighted away from the north and south (four votes per division I think, then one per club in step one).

You would think/hope that resolution is there because clubs have agreed to just vote it through.

Best thing is that clubs have 28 days to respond. We’ve got eight games to play in that time!

 

[#Beebot]

So, based on how Ollie Bayliss explains it, resolution 1 needs 75% of votes to pass, after which 2 and 3 respectively only need 50% of votes to pass. Alternatively, if resolution 1 doesn't pass, resolution 4 then only needs 50% of votes to pass.

If I'm understanding correctly, doesn't that essentially give the North and South clubs a veto on resolution 1, given that they comprise 2/3 of the National League's member clubs? Only one full division of clubs would need to vote against resolution 1 to veto it in that case, and then it would only take 2/3 of the North and South clubs to vote in favour of resolution 4 to end the season.

In other words, assuming each member club's vote is weighted equally, it's hard to see any scenario other than the full National League structure being null-and-voided, as the North and South clubs can easily outvote the Premier clubs to get the outcome they desire (and that's without even considering the possibility of some Premier Clubs also being in favour of stopping the season).

Extremely short-sighted to jump to null and void if it does happen, in my opinion.

A total shitshow that gives step 2 clubs far too much power over an issue that has no effect on them.

 

[Atavistic]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1356348336614367234

So, resolution 1 has a unique voting structure, in which each Premier club gets a single vote while the North and South Divisions get 4 votes each (the maximum 4 being given if 12 clubs in a division vote either for or against).

That still means at least 23 points have to go in favour of resolution 1 to ensure separate votes for each league, so all it takes is even one Premier club to vote against it to probably see the entire season scrapped (assuming that in each North and South 12+ clubs will vote against separate resolutions for them and the Premier).

 

[#Beebot]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1356348336614367234

So, resolution 1 has a unique voting structure, in which each Premier club gets a single vote while the North and South Divisions get 4 votes each (the maximum 4 being given if 12 clubs in a division vote either for or against).

That still means at least 23 points have to go in favour of resolution 1 to ensure separate votes for each league, so all it takes is even one Premier club to vote against it to probably see the entire season scrapped (assuming that in each North and South 12+ clubs will vote against separate resolutions for them and the Premier).

That's how I read it too. This is insane. The NL about to cut its own head off.

Bye bye two up two down. The EFL have every right to tell the NL to fuck off after this.

 

[jacobncfc]

I’m, perhaps naively, confident that resolution one is a legal requirement to allow two and three to happen in that way, but there’s an agreement for it to just to be waved through.

 

[Stocky]

I imagine all 23 clubs at this level would vote for to have their fate in their hands. It would surely make no sense for anybody in this league, even the ones that are scared of getting relegated, to let "Step 2" get involved in their fate. Maybe I'm reading the situation completely wrong though. To me it looks like it is weighted to the point that if all National League Premier clubs vote for res 1, then that is enough.