The National League resolution vote

[Chief Rocka]

Wrexham are going abstain from the vote aren't they, so that's still only 22 clubs who could potentially vote for res 1, would basket case clubs like Dover and Barnet really just go with the flow when they're deep in the sticky?

 

[jacobncfc]

Wrexham are going abstain from the vote aren't they, so that's still only 22 clubs who could potentially vote for res 1.

Wasn’t that to do with whether we should take the loans, as they weren’t included? Assume they have a view on whether the league should stop or not.

 

[MrGloverLover]

Our Chairman has written an open letter to our fans with his thoughts on the situation

STATEMENT | Scott Priestnall issues an open letter to supporters

Yeovil Town chairman Scott Priestnall has issued an open letter to supporters. Dear Glovers Fans, As you may be aware there is a resolution being sent to all clubs to vote on the whether to end the season or not.

www.ytfc.net

 

[jacobncfc]

Okay, looking at some of the stuff the Gloucester chairman and a couple of York people are saying has me more worried about resolution one. They seem to think that their best chance of keeping step two going is to torpedo the resolution splitting the leagues and then get a straight majority of all 60 odd clubs.

Which might be right, but definitely presents a real danger of step two accidentally taking out the step one season against its wishes.

 

[CFC91]

Wasn’t that to do with whether we should take the loans, as they weren’t included? Assume they have a view on whether the league should stop or not.

They’ve got monk on and are abstaining from the lot I think.
This league is a joke - that statement is incredible and they’re inept to the highest degree

 

[#Beebot]

Okay, looking at some of the stuff the Gloucester chairman and a couple of York people are saying has me more worried about resolution one. They seem to think that their best chance of keeping step two going is to torpedo the resolution splitting the leagues and then get a straight majority of all 60 odd clubs.

Which might be right, but definitely presents a real danger of step two accidentally taking out the step one season against its wishes.

I'm unconvinced there is a majority for playing on across the 3 leagues. Very risky game.

 

[Stoney Ground]

They’ve got monk on and are abstaining from the lot I think.
This league is a joke - that statement is incredible and they’re inept to the highest degree

Is the bloke who holds the vote at Chesterfield on furlough?

 

[jacobncfc]

I'm unconvinced there is a majority for playing on across the 3 leagues. Very risky game.

Me too. Be chaos if that happens and it’s all scrapped with a significant majority in step one wanting to play on.

 

[Chief Rocka]

I'm unconvinced there is a majority for playing on across the 3 leagues. Very risky game.

North seems pretty resounding, South not so.

 

[#Beebot]

Wasn’t that to do with whether we should take the loans, as they weren’t included? Assume they have a view on whether the league should stop or not.

Yeah I supported them abstaining initially, but the vote has been structured in such a way that it doesn't really have anything to do with funding anymore. They have to vote.

 

[jacobncfc]

Enjoying the random Welling United outlier there.

Feels like there’s a handful of mostly mid-table step one clubs that are going to be key to setting the direction of this, of those that haven’t yet declared publicly. I would say Halifax, Bromley, Boreham Wood, Eastleigh, Aldershot, Woking, Dagenham and Yeovil. Plus Wrexham if they vote. If a majority of those are in favour of carrying on, it’ll be a clear result at this level at least.

I would assume that Barnet, Weymouth, King’s Lynn and Wealdstone will be against, but maybe that’s lazy.

 

[Optipez]

I can see this season being cancelled through the ineptitude or malicious callousness ( take your pick which one applies ) of the resolutions as they've been set out out.
The NL is very close to wiping out a season at the point where the country begins to open up and doom itself to a dead end for years to come.

 

[CFC91]

Is the bloke who holds the vote at Chesterfield on furlough?

Unfortunately he is as we are owned by a charity who are busy doing things out in the community so he is busy elsewhere. Maybe we’ll have to abstain too

 

[Jerry]

Seems to me that the obvious move by any clubs wanting to carry on is to do nothing yet, if you're allowed 28 days to vote then just wait for now. Things may have changed totally in a months time.

 

[Stoney Ground]

The way I see it

Resolution 1 is is a total of 31 Votes (23 NL 4N 4S) 75% is 23.25 so 24 needed to pass to Resolution 2&3.

Resolution 2 then needs 12 votes to N&V

Resolution 3 then needs 22 votes to N&V

Resolution 4 would need 16 to N&V Voting rights as per Resolution 1

So if North and South N&V then the following league rule would apply

12.5 If no Clubs are eligible or wish promotion, the number of Clubs to be relegated will be reduced.

I suspect all divisions will proceed, resolution 1 needs 7 National League clubs to vote against 6 if Wrexham abstain.

If resolution 4 gets voted on even if North and South vote for it you still need 8 more to vote N&V.

 

[Optipez]

Fair play to Welling.
A lot can happen in twenty eight days, could really do with the government setting out a timetable so clubs that want to stop due to finances may be given a reason to reconsider.

 

[jacobncfc]

I'm unconvinced there is a majority for playing on across the 3 leagues. Very risky game.

Ha, I hadn’t even realised that resolution four is on the normal voting lines of one per club in the National League and four per division in the other two. And a straight fifty fifty.

I don’t think there’s a majority across all 66 clubs to continue, but there might be under those circumstances. Assuming all eight step two votes went for null and void (and the south looks close there), it would need 16 of the 23 step one clubs to vote in favour of continuing. Which I reckon would be bloody close.

If resolution one is voted down for whatever reason, there’s a very real chance of either step two being forced to continue against the majority’s wishes, or step two being forced to stop against the majority’s wishes. Which is a mess.

 

[Jerry]

The way I see it

Resolution 1 is is a total of 31 Votes (23 NL 4N 4S) 75% is 23.25 so 24 needed to pass to Resolution 2&3.

Resolution 2 then needs 12 votes to N&V

Resolution 3 then needs 22 votes to N&V

Resolution 4 would need 16 to N&V Voting rights as per Resolution 1

So if North and South N&V then the following league rule would apply

12.5 If no Clubs are eligible or wish promotion, the number of Clubs to be relegated will be reduced.

I suspect all divisions will proceed, resolution 1 needs 7 National League clubs to vote against 6 if Wrexham abstain.

If resolution 4 gets voted on even if North and South vote for it you still need 8 more to vote N&V.

So basically it's irrelevant what the NL vote for resolution 1, unless one of the regionals vote for it, there's no way it can pass.

 

[jacobncfc]

So basically it's irrelevant what the NL vote for resolution 1, unless one of the regionals vote for it, there's no way it can pass.

Yeah. But they probably both will, assuming there’s a majority in both to end the season.

The only reason you would vote down resolution one is if you think the step you are in would have a majority for the opposite. Which isn’t really in the spirit of things, but we are where we are.

I THINK a more simple way of thinking about it is that, if 16 step one clubs are in favour of the season continuing, it doesn’t matter what route through the resolutions it ends up taking. That’s enough for the step one season to continue - it’s whether it takes step two with it.

 

[Chief Rocka]

It’s late and my heads battered, but if you were a Step 2 club wanting to null and void, wouldn’t it be in your best interest to pass resolution 1 and then vote independently, division by division?

 

[MrGloverLover]

Enjoying the random Welling United outlier there.

Feels like there’s a handful of mostly mid-table step one clubs that are going to be key to setting the direction of this, of those that haven’t yet declared publicly. I would say Halifax, Bromley, Boreham Wood, Eastleigh, Aldershot, Woking, Dagenham and Yeovil. Plus Wrexham if they vote. If a majority of those are in favour of carrying on, it’ll be a clear result at this level at least.

I would assume that Barnet, Weymouth, King’s Lynn and Wealdstone will be against, but maybe that’s lazy.

Our Chairman has made his thoughts clear in the letter to our fans that I posted a link to tonight.

 

[Stoney Ground]

So basically it's irrelevant what the NL vote for resolution 1, unless one of the regionals vote for it, there's no way it can pass.

True, but looks like North want it ended, so the South could end up not playing due to the a majority of North clubs voting to stop.

 

[jacobncfc]

It’s late and my heads battered, but if you were a Step 2 club wanting to null and void, wouldn’t it be in your best interest to pass resolution 1 and then vote independently, division by division?

Depends what you think the numbers are at each level, but more than likely yes.

Just to complicate it some more, does anyone know how the four votes from the two regional levels work? ie do they all go one way on a straight majority, or can they be split?

 

[jacobncfc]

Our Chairman has made his thoughts clear in the letter to our fans that I posted a link to tonight.

I read that as more of another campaign message for grants than a clear statement on which way you’d vote if it came to it.

 

[Atavistic]

Depends what you think the numbers are at each level, but more than likely yes.

Just to complicate it some more, does anyone know how the four votes from the two regional levels work? ie do they all go one way on a straight majority, or can they be split?

From what I saw on Twitter, it was suggested that a straight majority equals all four votes. So that presumably means all 4 votes one way if there's a majority, or 2 votes each way if somehow there's a perfect 50/50 split in the vote.

With resolution 4 also being under the ordinary voting conditions weighted towards the National League, there's some very intriguing and concerning internal politics for clubs to try and navigate here to get their best possible outcome, though I would say that the vote being weighed makes the season continuing seem a little more likely on paper.

I've seen that Dorking in the South at least want to wait before making any decision due to the recent petition/online campaign promoted by the league to get grants rather than loans. Wonder if there will be any other clubs thinking the same, delaying the resolution for a while?

 

[LongEatonPie]

The way I see is IF the NL go null and void they are setting themselves up for massive court cases. Basically it could mean the league imploding.
A club having its season cancelled due to teams a division below wanting to stop will not hold up well. I certainly would sue for wages, advertising, sponsors, loss of stream revenue.
They could end up bankrupting themselves.

 

[Gladders]

The way I see is IF the NL go null and void they are setting themselves up for massive court cases. Basically it could mean the league imploding.
A club having its season cancelled due to teams a division below wanting to stop will not hold up well. I certainly would sue for wages, advertising, sponsors, loss of stream revenue.
They could end up bankrupting themselves.

Pretty sure the whole point of these resolutions and 28 days to vote etc. Is to cover the NL from being sued because it will be the member clubs themselves voting as per the organisations rules to end the season, just like any "stakeholder board meeting"

 

[Gladders]

Yeah I supported them abstaining initially, but the vote has been structured in such a way that it doesn't really have anything to do with funding anymore. They have to vote.

It has everything to do with funding, the whole point of ending the season or not is because of funding or lack of it.

 

[chipmunx]

There's no chance of the Government helping out the way the clubs want...
because...

Boris is a TOWN fan

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/boris-johnson-seen-again-grimsby-4797192

www.thefootballforum.net

Boris Johnson seen again in Grimsby Town hat as EU trade talks go on

The Prime Minister has been spotted wearing his Grimsby Town hat after tense negotiations with the EU over Brexit

www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk

 

[Stoney Ground]

It’s late and my heads battered, but if you were a Step 2 club wanting to null and void, wouldn’t it be in your best interest to pass resolution 1 and then vote independently, division by division?

As I read it, North & South will not be separated from each other the separation is Step 1 or step 2.