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It's gone very quiet on that issue. When the lib dems were stronger proportional representation was certainly on the table for discussion. I can't see it happening currently.

Yeah can't see it coming back on the agenda until a third party can force the issue. A second house though not perfect does have its' functions and place in the current system.
 

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Yeah can't see it coming back on the agenda until a third party can force the issue. A second house though not perfect does have its' functions and place in the current system.
I can't support a system in which legislation is checked and held to account by a undemocratic body. It doesn't help that the current second chamber is such a homage to state corruption and unchallenged privelage.
 

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I can't support a system in which legislation is checked and held to account by a undemocratic body. It doesn't help that the current second chamber is such a homage to state corruption and unchallenged privelage.

Do agree with your general sentiment, though I'd find it more acceptable if it were to be populated with experts of various fields and industries at the very least.
 
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we were given a referendum on a different electoral system, were we not?
 

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Keep the HoC the way it is and have a PR HoL
 

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We were given a referendum as it goes :lol:

I was probably too busy getting high at the time, so shame on the rest of you. Boooooo
 

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Would the Scottish nationalists support voting reform? I'd definitely be in favour of it just as long as UKIP didn't profit from it.
 

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If you make the system more representative then UKIP will always profit from it, and so they should in fairness, no matter what you think of them. A system where the SNP gets 4.7% of the vote and 56 seats while UKIP get 12.6% of the vote and 1 seat is patently barmy.
 

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Yeah, it's ridiculous the amount of seats UKIP got despite how many votes they received.
 

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From memory at the time, when you lumped in the votes for UKIP, Lib Dem and Green, something like 25% of the national vote has about 1.4% representation in Parliament.
 

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From faceache about Tyson Fury...


I see you, Tyson Fury.

I see your giant Game of Thrones torso and your gurning face, like a simple Viking or the doorman of a Bosnian brothel. I see you wrapping your hands and jabbing the air, your idiot beard making you look like a **** Zangief from Street Fighter. I see you bursting into the press conference in your crap Batman outfit, Tyson Fury, and I wonder if you've ever seen a Batman movie.

You look more like The Tick, Tyson Fury, and this bull**** is so embarrassingly cringeworthy that I wonder how you ever persuaded anyone it was a good idea. It's obvious that you want to be Conor McGregor, Tyson Fury, but you're more like the moron uncle at a wedding. Early on in the day you're dressing up for the kids and acting like a mongwomble and by dinner time you've had too much to drink and you're ranting about the gays. I know you think you're the life of the party, Tyson Fury, but the reality is that Auntie Susan's avoiding you and your wife is rolling her eyes by the canapés.

There are only three things that need to happen for the devil to come home, aren't there, Tyson Fury? I'm not sure who made you the authority on Judgment Day or which bit of your My First Picture Bible you pulled that particular nugget from, but I'm sure you're right. How can I not trust your opinion on the gays, when you dress up in tiny shorts and fist other men for a living?

After all, The Bible says something about it somewhere. And The Bible's right about all that stuff, which is why you never eat cheeseburgers or shellfish or plant more than one type of seed in a field or wear fabrics woven from more than one material or cut the hair on the sides of your head or clip your beard or fail to properly restrain a vicious bull or be a stubborn, rebellious, profligate or drunken son. You follow it all religiously, after all, and it's definitely not that you've just picked one sentence from a 2,000 year old book that provides the confirmation bias you needed to justify your own ****ty prejudices.

I see you laughing as you're nominated for Sports Personality of the Year, Tyson Fury, knowing full well you can bump up your earnings by being as controversial as possible. Because you're not actually that thick, are you, Tyson Fury? You've seen Tropic Thunder, after all. You generate all the box office buzz you like, but you never quite go full retard.

I see the Internet explode, Tyson Fury. You can't be Sports Personality of the Year when you're a gigantic dickwaffle, surely? It's got 'Personality' in the title, after all. Then I remember that Andy Murray won it one year and I realise that personality probably doesn't come into it that much.

I see you laughing, Tyson Fury, loving life and your shiny belts and your enormous piles of money. You're untouchable, aren't you? And now you're king of the mountain you're free to shout all the insulting ******** you like, because you've punched your way to your opinions being important.
But I hear the thundering of hooves, Tyson Fury, and I hear the disco music. In the distance I see the rising clouds of dust, and I see the rainbows forming in the evening sky. I see you turn to face the horizon, your brow furrowing in confusion.

I hear the whinnying, Tyson Fury. I hear the whinnying and I see the unicorns.
A hundred unicorns, Tyson Fury. A hundred unicorns with handlebar moustaches, wearing leather chaps and racing along as a hellish chorus of Beegees classics screams around them. A hundred unicorns with disco balls for testicles, Tyson Fury, the sunlight scattering off them and filling the sky with whirling twinkles of fabulous light. A hundred unicorns who I'm pretty sure I'm now bordering on offensively stereotyping, but they're unicorns and definitely fictional so it's fine.

I see you put up a fighting stance, Tyson Fury, because you never back down from a challenge. A unicorn's best place is on its back, after all, and you've got the Bible on your side.

I see the unicorns leap into the air, the rainbow shafts of light carrying them forwards. I see them lowering their gilded horns, their disco-ball testicles thrumming with supernatural power.

I see you throw a punch and I see it glide harmlessly down the first unicorn's flank as its horn punches through the centre of your chest. I see you go down in a flurry of hooves, the clouds of dust now red with the mist of your blood.
That shut you up, didn't it, Tyson Fury? And now *your* best place is on your back, gurgling through mangled lungs and looking up at a pair of shiny disco-ball unicorn ********.

I see you, Tyson Fury. I ****ing see you.
 

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If you make the system more representative then UKIP will always profit from it, and so they should in fairness, no matter what you think of them. A system where the SNP gets 4.7% of the vote and 56 seats while UKIP get 12.6% of the vote and 1 seat is patently barmy.

Bit presumptuous. They've only been a reasonably big player for about 3-4 years. Would hardly be surprising to see them crash and burn a few years from now, especially with a referendum on Britain's EU membership looming.
 

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The referendum should really see them killed off completely, regardless of the result.

If it's 'out' then they have got what they were campaigning for, and would have to move further to the right more into BNP territory.

If it's 'in' then they don't have a leg to stand on. The people have spoken.
 
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The referendum should really see them killed off completely, regardless of the result.

If it's 'out' then they have got what they were campaigning for, and would have to move further to the right more into BNP territory.

If it's 'in' then they don't have a leg to stand on. The people have spoken.
No.

The SNP couldn't even get devolution passed in 1979. What prospects were there for independence then? None. It was fantasy stuff. But did they disappear? No, they didn't. They kept the flame alive and managed to get devolution implemented 20 years later, followed by securing an independence referendum 15 years after that.

And now look at them...lost a "once in a generation" referendum, but went on to storm the Westminster elections.

You can't kill a political idea with an election or referendum result. That's a ridiculous assumption to make.

If we were to leave the EU UKIP would lose some members, supporters and impetus as some people would see it as 'job done'. But that certainly wouldn't apply to all. There are two halves to the Eurosceptic equation and while some people are principally concerned with who governs Britain, there are quite a lot of them who care just as much about how Britain is governed.
 

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Bit presumptuous. They've only been a reasonably big player for about 3-4 years. Would hardly be surprising to see them crash and burn a few years from now, especially with a referendum on Britain's EU membership looming.

What would that have to do with the voting system?
 

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The referendum should really see them killed off completely, regardless of the result.

If it's 'out' then they have got what they were campaigning for, and would have to move further to the right more into BNP territory.

Outside of wanting to reduce immigration and having a vaguely nationalist approach they're at odds with the BNP on most things. UKIP are small government libertarians, the BNP are far more socially conservative and authoritarian, and economically about as far left as Labour are. That pro-immigration control vote isn't going anywhere, I think their biggest threat would probably come from Labour or the Conservatives making the issue their own, because without it they stand for most of the shit people don't like about the Tories.
 

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No.

The SNP couldn't even get devolution passed in 1979. What prospects were there for independence then? None. It was fantasy stuff. But did they disappear? No, they didn't. They kept the flame alive and managed to get devolution implemented 20 years later, followed by securing an independence referendum 15 years after that.

And now look at them...lost a "once in a generation" referendum, but went on to storm the Westminster elections.

You can't kill a political idea with an election or referendum result. That's a ridiculous assumption to make.

If we were to leave the EU UKIP would lose some members, supporters and impetus as some people would see it as 'job done'. But that certainly wouldn't apply to all. There are two halves to the Eurosceptic equation and while some people are principally concerned with who governs Britain, there are quite a lot of them who care just as much about how Britain is governed.

Agree with much of this. I tend to think how UKIP respond to the EU referendum result will largely determine their fate. Clearly, even if Britain were to vote to remain in the EU, Euroscepticism won't disappear overnight (even though I may personally wish that UKIP would). There's long been a very vocal anti-EU contingent within the Conservative Party, in particular, and I can't really imagine the Bill Cash's of this world being deterred by a Remain vote. I think a lot of the issues Europe is grappling with at the moment - most notably border control - will be key political issues for years to come and I imagine the magnitude of the challenges facing the EU will give number 10 something of a headache should the UK elect to remain a member. I also think UKIP's brand of populism and their ability to attract the disillusioned (most notably the protest votes that would once have gone to the Lib Dems) should stand them in good stead for the foreseeable. But there remain some fairly fundamental questions. How do they respond to the outcome of the referendum? If it's Leave, is that mission accomplished, or do they serve some wider political purpose? If it's Remain then how do they move forward? Admittedly the issue won't entirely go away, but they're not in as favourable a position as the SNP, and it may well be that it will be a generation before the question is put to the voters again (difficult to imagine any potential PM relishing another European referendum). Does Farage have the appetite for more? If not, what does a post-Farage UKIP look like? Because it didn't exactly look up to much last time round... all questions to ponder I guess.
 

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I ilke Farage he puts shite MP's and their sad little voters in their place.
 

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Crossover from the Flat Earth thread.


Genuinely people who don't believe in 'the theory of gravity'.

Like some people don't believe in 'the theory of evolution'
 

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There are always two carol services at our local C of E church this evening. The second at 6 is always rammed but the first at 4 is usually quieter, more peaceful.

Today the service at 4 was packed with people turned away, and more expected at 6, and there is talk of having to run another service.

There was some discussion as to whether this might be indicative of concern post-Paris, post-attacks and wrt DAESH, and some people feeling a greater need to show their cultural affinity with "being English" (not even sure that makes any sense, tbh)
Maybe just a coincidence, maybe just a one-off.
 

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Genuinely some people who watch 'Danish 2nd Division East' football like supporters of Gentofte-Vangede Idrætsforening.
 

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So in a huge escalation in Middle Eastern Shia / Sunni tensions, Saudi and Iran have traded various sanctions and insults at each other since the Saudis executed a major Shia cleric. Apparently on grounds of charges relating to terrorism and sympathies with Iran. Along with 46 other Shias.

Lebanon's Hezbollah, allies of Shia Iran have launched their own abuse at Saudi. Cries of "Death to the Al Saud" chanted at the speech.

Iran vowing divine retribution upon Saudi.

Yeah, Complicated.
 
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i'd much rather buy oil off iran tbh. ofc it's more than just those two countries, it's their structure of alliances
 

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I just saw the video of the poor woman beaten to death in Afghanistan for being accused of burning a Koran.

Religion can go and eat a bag of dicks.
 

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