The Religion Thread

[Jockney]

But God is omniscient. He knew man would fall when he created the world, he knew everything that would ever happen. So why did he create the world in which the fall happened?

I think this line of questioning makes God far more appealing, profound and ultimately plausible than supposedly prima facie sciptural evidence, and helps to explain why the Abrahamic tradition endures today. More often than not, both religious and non-religious folk are actually epistemologically aligned when it comes to these questions and the conception of God is a valid, perhaps necessary, expression of that kind of thinking: i.e. that there is a good chance that our universe is not random, not devoid or reason, rhyme or purpose, so is believing in a divine creator really that much of a logical leap?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I think this line of questioning makes God far more appealing, profound and ultimately plausible than supposedly prima facie sciptural evidence, and helps to explain why the Abrahamic tradition endures today. More often than not, both religious and non-religious folk are actually epistemologically aligned when it comes to these questions and the conception of God is a valid, perhaps necessary, expression of that kind of thinking: i.e. that there is a good chance that our universe is not random, not devoid or reason, rhyme or purpose, so is believing in a divine creator really that much of a logical leap?

No, but believing that it could be benevolent is.

 

[Womble98]

Exactly. The only logical position to take if you choose to believe in God is that he is not benevolent

 

[Womble98]

http://5pillarsuk.com/2016/03/08/mohammed-shafiq-mumtaz-qadri-had-no-right-to-kill-salman-taseer/

Muslim who spoke out against the murder of Salman Taseer is confronted by other Muslims for his views. http://www.burytimes.co.uk/news/143...adri_opinion__Why_this_is_getting_ridiculous/

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

The trouble is if you're not a Muslim or hard left, you already have half the countries Islamophobe-o-meter tingling simply by raising the issue.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

in this day and age the most commonly encountered evangelists are the annoying brand of white, middle-class atheists. they are, in general, far more irritating and right-on than the normally placid and friendly religious people u bump into

 

[Womble98]

in this day and age the most commonly encountered evangelists are the annoying brand of white, middle-class atheists. they are, in general, far more irritating and right-on than the normally placid and friendly religious people u bump into

I would agree in that they are more irritating, but they don't want to bring about crazy laws and extremist policies which has to be a positive.

 

[johnnytodd]

God created the flat earth.........and no-one has proven this to be wrong.

 

[blade1889]

in this day and age the most commonly encountered evangelists are the annoying brand of white, middle-class atheists. they are, in general, far more irritating and right-on than the normally placid and friendly religious people u bump into

Depends on your experience of them doesn't it tbf. Am sure I can be an irritating atheist (at least on forums anyway) just as I can be sent into spins by some religious people I meet.

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

The existence of zealous atheists in a decent barometer for how free and enlightened your country is, no matter how annoying you might find them.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

almost makes me wish i was saudi

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

BBC Breaking News ‏@BBCBreaking 24m24 minutes ago
Man accused of Glasgow shopkeeper murder says he carried out killing because he believed victim was not true Muslim

 

[Womble98]

Tanveer Ahmed has admitted the murder of Asad Shah, and said it was because Asad Shah claimed he was a prophet, standing by his actions.

Type in #GhaziTanveer into twitter to see a large number of people praising him.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

well that settles it islam is evil

 

[smat]

Tanveer Ahmed has admitted the murder of Asad Shah, and said it was because Asad Shah claimed he was a prophet, standing by his actions.

Type in #GhaziTanveer into twitter to see a large number of people praising him.

wtf, do you speak arabic? i can't make out shit here

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

wtf, do you speak arabic? i can't make out shit here

oh didn't u know? mordon is going to volunteer in lebanon, one of those rare tidbits of esoteric knowledge one comes across from time to time, like poster lordofthepies being vegan

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

tidbits

what is this american puritanical bullshit

 

[JimJams]

Lotp is actually a virgin. He's just not very good at spelling.

 

[smat]

mordon is going to volunteer in lebanon

do they know he hates them

 

[Womble98]

wtf, do you speak arabic? i can't make out shit here

It is mostly Urdu, and I only know small amounts of Arabic atm.

 

[silkyman]

I think this line of questioning makes God far more appealing, profound and ultimately plausible than supposedly prima facie sciptural evidence, and helps to explain why the Abrahamic tradition endures today. More often than not, both religious and non-religious folk are actually epistemologically aligned when it comes to these questions and the conception of God is a valid, perhaps necessary, expression of that kind of thinking: i.e. that there is a good chance that our universe is not random, not devoid or reason, rhyme or purpose, so is believing in a divine creator really that much of a logical leap?

The logical leap doesn't come from the divine creator in that scenario though. It comes from the idea that there is 'a good chance' that the universe isn't random.

 

[The Paranoid Pineapple]

in this day and age the most commonly encountered evangelists are the annoying brand of white, middle-class atheists. they are, in general, far more irritating and right-on than the normally placid and friendly religious people u bump into

Oh, we're QUITE INTOLERABLE.* Admittedly, we don't seem to have the same penchant for committing acts of violence/attempting to curtail other people's rights as our religious counterparts, but hey, I reckon we can work on that.

*and unbearably smug, obvz

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

The condolence event for the murdered shopkeeper had to be cancelled due to threats of violence. I say 'had to', but sounds like exactly the kind of meek response we don't want.

 

[smat]

Oh, we're QUITE INTOLERABLE.* Admittedly, we don't seem to have the same penchant for committing acts of violence/attempting to curtail other people's rights as our religious counterparts, but hey, I reckon we can work on that.

*and unbearably smug, obvz

Silkyman's atheist ramblings are worse than religiously motivated murders, to be fair.

 

[Dr Mantis Toboggan]

plus no-one has tried to murder me whereas u can't swing a cat in here without bumping into a proselytizing nerd

 

[Womble98]

http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2...-not-terrorism-is-the-real-threat-to-confront

 

[blade1889]

Genuine question...is there a link to the actual questions asked?

 

[silkyman]

Wonder what the percentage of Christians believes the same thing. My fucking MP voted against marriage equality.

 

[Womble98]

Not wanting gay marriage to be legal and not wanting gay acts to be legal is two vastly different points on the scale

 

[silkyman]

But you have to wonder if it wasn't political suicide to admit it, if many of them wouldn't have harsher beliefs behind closed doors.

Why would you be against marriage equality if you didn't have a fundamental issue with homosexuality?