The Rooney Rule

[Habbinalan]

Yeah you're right I just checked, for some reason I thought it was a lot more than that. At current rates they will become a majority in 2050.

At current rates of what??

 

[Aber gas]

At current rates of what??

At current birth / mortality rates . It's all just educated guess work though . I also believe that the percentage relates to the Hispanic population not African Americans.

 

[iWomble]

Yeah you're right I just checked, for some reason I thought it was a lot more than that. At current rates they will become a majority in 2050.

Where on earth do you get this stuff? Where did you check?

That 2050 estimate was for a non-white majority including Hispanics, Asian, Native american etc, not Black/African American. It's also just been revised because Hispanic birth rates are falling. Here, released yesterday. Facts and things. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_06.pdf

 

[Beee]

It worked in American football because... well, obviously Americans are racist... well maybe not but for it to have worked there must have meant that black coaches in America weren't getting jobs because nobody was offering them interviews.

The proportion of black managers in the league is now almost the same as the proportion of qualified managers who are black, something like 6%, so perhaps the problem is that not enough black coaches are taking their badges. Which I'm sure is probably because they presume they won't be hired, but is guaranteeing them interviews going to change that perception? Keith Curle doesn't think so, he seems to think that it'll just lead to black managers being invited to interviews up and down the country, knowing they're only there to tick a box. It might get the odd one or two a job they normally wouldn't have gotten but will it lead to long term benefits?

It costs a lot of money to go through your badges. I can totally understand why, if you were a recently retired player with some coaching experience thinking of management, and were black, this might put you off, when you're constantly hearing how unlikely it is that anyone will hire you. Perhaps Paul Ince might be prepared to pay the costs of training for some black coaches, help them get their foot on the ladder, and then when they get jobs others might follow.

Perhaps all these super-rich former Premier League footballers, regardless of race should subsidise the training for talented coaches and former lower-league players... regardless of race... just a thought. So many Premier League footballers take their badges when retired only to either turn out to be shit managers and go into punditry, or decide to go into punditry anyway because better money and less stress. Perhaps they could be put to better use subsiding those with actual talent.

This sums up my thoughts on the matter, the reason that there are so few black coaches is that few people gaining coaching qualifications are black. Better to focus on improving access to coaching badges instead.

Also I find it tiresome when people think we should import American ideas about ending racial inequality over here. America's historical relationship with race is very different to ours and racism is far far more deeply ingrained there than it is here.

 

[Aber gas]

This sums up my thoughts on the matter, the reason that there are so few black coaches is that few people gaining coaching qualifications are black. Better to focus on improving access to coaching badges instead.

Also I find it tiresome when people think we should import American ideas about ending racial inequality over here. America's historical relationship with race is very different to ours and racism is far far more deeply ingrained there than it is here.

I don't think it's as simple as saying that racism is more ingrained in the states . They have a black president and several high ranking judges including a Supreme Court judge who are black . Their minority representation at ceo level also puts the uk to shame but there are states and parts of states that are overtly racist which might give the impression of ingrained racism . I do think that in the uk it is harder to have a conversation about racial discrimination without it descending into point scoring where as the states tend to be more open in talking about these issues .

 

[Habbinalan]

This sums up my thoughts on the matter, the reason that there are so few black coaches is that few people gaining coaching qualifications are black. Better to focus on improving access to coaching badges instead.

Also I find it tiresome when people think we should import American ideas about ending racial inequality over here. America's historical relationship with race is very different to ours and racism is far far more deeply ingrained there than it is here.

No need to do it instead. As I understand it, access to coaching opportunities and badges is being addressed as well.

 

[Glasshalffullpools]

Surely Obama is mixed race ...... but that's beside the point,,.... more white kids than black in America end up in higher education, without a college degree your chances in any field ( no pun intended ) become limited

 

[Beee]

No need to do it instead. As I understand it, access to coaching opportunities and badges is being addressed as well.

Ultimately if black players aren't taking coaching badges, they aren't going to become managers. I don't understand why a positive measure aimed at improving access to coaching courses needs to be accompanied by an authoritarian measure telling people who they must interview.

 

[BigDaveCUFC]

As I've said 3-4 times before the best idea would be to use some of the funding to help non-league and L2 clubs to add another coach.....from an ethnic background whether that be black, Asian, what-ever.........these coaches can be former players or just people who have taken all the main coaching courses.

I agree with afew above the problem isn't a lack of black managers, but maybe moreso a lack of black coaches and giving support to get more into the next stages of the game.

A lot of L2 and non-league clubs would absolutely jump at the chance of additional coaches but cannot due to limited budgets and these budgets normally being shoved mostly on player wages......a great example is Carlisle who just lost its Goalkeeping coach as the position is going part-time.

If the FA are serious in wanting more wider ethnic groups into the management ladder it should help fun the smaller clubs to add an extra coach each.............we would all accept it and welcome the move as we all struggle with size of coaching teams here. This would mean an extra 50+ black/ethnic coaches in the game and give it afew years with more experience I think you'll find quite a bigger number of managers.

of course until they give us stats of how many black players/people are applying even for coaching positions and failing we cannot see if this is a genuine problem.

 

[Judge Red]

Just thinking that this could be known as "The Grass Ceiling"