The Vegan Thread

[Abertawe]

Yeast is neither animal nor animal product.

Vegan selectism.

 

[Veggie Legs]

Vegan selectism.

Or, you know, biology. Yeasts are fungi.

 

[Abertawe]

They're living things you evil bastards.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

As, technically, are plants and vegetables. Not to mention the many millions of insects brutally murdered during the collection of harvests.

 

[lordofthepies]

Plants and fungi are living but they are not sentient.

 

[Abertawe]

I'm only messing. Eat some eggs though, please.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Plants and fungi are living but they are not sentient.

Much evidence is actually beginning to point to the opposite.

Here
Here
Here
And here

Also, you didn't address the millions (if not billions) of insects killed during harvest.

Face it, in order to live on this planet we absorb other living being's life force. It is an unfortunate fact of life, but death is a massive part of it! Though it is anyone's choice as to what they choose to consume.

 

[Craig]

Don't forget all the rabbits and squirrels and that getting chopped to pieces by the combine harvesters....

 

[lordofthepies]

I'm only messing. Eat some eggs though, please.

No.

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

 

[Renegade]

Much evidence is actually beginning to point to the opposite.

Here
Here
Here
And here

Also, you didn't address the millions (if not billions) of insects killed during harvest.

Face it, in order to live on this planet we absorb other living being's life force. It is an unfortunate fact of life, but death is a massive part of it! Though it is anyone's choice as to what they choose to consume.

Vegans aren't perfect (sorry LOTP), but do you not see the difference between eating plants/plant products - that are barely sentient, have very simple nervous systems (at most) and do not feel pain - and animals who feel the pain of the products we extract from them, care for their young and have complex emotions?

Yes, the plant food industry destroys land, pushes animals out of their habitats and causes death to animals. The net animal death and crop usage from the meat industry (30% of the land on earth is used to feed livestock, up to 91% of deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is due to animal argicuture) still far surpasses what the veggie/vegan industry ever could. It's pretty much impossible to be a human without having some blood on your hands, but it is farcical to suggest that the two lifestyles are comparable in terms of net harm inflicted.

The argument against eating plants is completely flawed because meats eaters eat almost as many plants as vegetarians and vegans do anyway. You are free to eat what you like, but don't spread these weak arguments to excuse your own morality and make people who are trying to inflict less harm on other highly sentient creatures feel worse about a clearly more ethical life choice.

 

[JaseTheVillain]

Vegans aren't perfect (sorry LOTP), but do you not see the difference between eating plants/plant products - that are barely sentient, have very simple nervous systems (at most) and do not feel pain - and animals who feel the pain of the products we extract from them, care for their young and have complex emotions?

Yes, the plant food industry destroys land, pushes animals out of their habitats and causes death to animals. The net animal death and crop usage from the meat industry (30% of the land on earth is used to feed livestock, up to 91% of deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is due to animal argicuture) still far surpasses what the veggie/vegan industry ever could. It's pretty much impossible to be a human without having some blood on your hands, but it is farcical to suggest that the two lifestyles are comparable in terms of net harm inflicted.

The argument against eating plants is completely flawed because meats eaters eat almost as many plants as vegetarians and vegans do anyway. You are free to eat what you like, but don't spread these weak arguments to excuse your meat eating and make people who are trying to inflict less harm on other highly sentient creatures feel worse about a clearly more ethical life choice.

At no point have I made arguments to excuse my meat eating. If I cared that much, I wouldn't eat it. I was just making the point that many animals are killed in the production/harvest of vegetables, and that plants do have sentience. I'm purely pointing out the hypocracy. You are talking to someone who, quite honestly, would try dog meat just to see what it tasted like. If I can eat a cow, pig, lamb, chicken, duck, etc, then why the hell not?

 

[Renegade]

Sorry, I got the wrong idea when you came into a vegan thread and said this:

Face it, in order to live on this planet we absorb other living being's life force.

It really read as though it doesn't matter what that life force is taken from.

I don't really see the hypocrisy either - OK, some vegans may not have the latest scientific research on the nervous systems of plants, but they are still doing something that is less harmful to the planet than contributing to the meat industry. Most vegans are completely aware of the habitats destroyed and the animals killed by a lot of the products they consume.

 

[Abertawe]

Sorry, I got the wrong idea when you came into a vegan thread and said this:



It really read as though it doesn't matter what that life force is taken from.

I don't really see the hypocrisy either - OK, some vegans may not have the latest scientific research on the nervous systems of plants, but they are still doing something that is less harmful to the planet than contributing to the meat industry. Most vegans are completely aware of the habitats destroyed and the animals killed by a lot of the products they consume.

What about all the wildlife that get massacred in order to pillage the countryside to grow crops? Vegans by way of eating more fruit & veg are every bit as complicit in that genocide.

 

[Renegade]

What about all the wildlife that get massacred in order to pillage the countryside to grow crops? Vegans by way of eating more fruit & veg are every bit as complicit in that genocide.

Vegans aren't perfect (sorry LOTP), but do you not see the difference between eating plants/plant products - that are barely sentient, have very simple nervous systems (at most) and do not feel pain - and animals who feel the pain of the products we extract from them, care for their young and have complex emotions?

Yes, the plant food industry destroys land, pushes animals out of their habitats and causes death to animals. The net animal death and crop usage from the meat industry (30% of the land on earth is used to feed livestock, up to 91% of deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is due to animal argicuture) still far surpasses what the veggie/vegan industry ever could. It's pretty much impossible to be a human without having some blood on your hands, but it is farcical to suggest that the two lifestyles are comparable in terms of net harm inflicted.

The argument against eating plants is completely flawed because meats eaters eat almost as many plants as vegetarians and vegans do anyway. You are free to eat what you like, but don't spread these weak arguments to excuse your own morality and make people who are trying to inflict less harm on other highly sentient creatures feel worse about a clearly more ethical life choice.

 

[Abertawe]

Get a grip. There is nothing wrong eating bred to be slaughtered animals. So long as they're allowed to live as free as feasibly possible and given good feed it's cool. Being gimps man. Plus Vegan will lead to premature death, ain't healthy to be totally vegan.

 

[RavenBish]

The main argument (and by far the strongest) is nothing to do with animals dying or supposed health benefits but purely environmental, and you'd have to be a fucking moron to dispute that.

I've had a bacon sandwich and chicken rogan josh today btw.

 

[mnb089mnb]

The main argument (and by far the strongest) is nothing to do with animals dying or supposed health benefits but purely environmental, and you'd have to be a fucking moron to dispute that..

One will be here in a minute, don't worry.

 

[lordofthepies]

Plus Vegan will lead to premature death, ain't healthy to be totally vegan.

That is just simply not true, as long as you do it properly.

 

[smat]

You know Abertawe's lost faith in his convictions when he starts using contractions like 'ain't', he does the same when talking about the hopeless Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[blade1889]

Would any vegans ever consider eating insects? (May have been covered earlier on so apologies if so).

 

[Techno Natch]

Would any vegans ever consider eating insects? (May have been covered earlier on so apologies if so).

No they wouldn't. Or I wouldn't at least.

 

[Abertawe]

You know Abertawe's lost faith in his convictions when he starts using contractions like 'ain't', he does the same when talking about the hopeless Jeremy Corbyn.

Your stint as a vegan has really addled your brain.

 

[Martino Knockavelli]

Question for smat, lordofthepies, and any other vegans who may want to chime in:

Suppose for a moment that the fellow below was real. Would you eat him?

Thanks.

 

[smat]

I see my stalker is still following me around.

It would be funny if it wasn't so fucking sad.

 

[Techno Natch]

This is pretty sad to.https://www.theguardian.com/environ...es-animal-welfare-laws-uk-abattoirs-two-years

 

[Abertawe]

I am now majority vegan.

 

[Richard Cranium]

Cool

 

[TubularBells]

This has come to my attention because Smat suggests my dog would appreciate me becoming Vegan. Well that's one interpretation anyway.
Whether the nay sayers, or do gooders like it or not. Humans are Omniverous.
Not that I have anything against veggie's. My Mum is total veggie. Probably why she is so tiny. But each to their own. I hope the Opening Poster has seen the error of their ways and dug into a bloody red steak by now.

 

[JaseTheVillain]