Things We Hate

[Craig]

Fuck off, pal.

Parasites the lot of them. Unapologetic servants of the demon companies that employ them. Have a bonus peddlers of misery and degradation with a wagering requirement. Dishonest blaggards who feign disgust and abhorrence at their perceived ills of the world while helping to destroy lives with their spineless complicity.

So no 'pal', you fuck off.

 

[Dave-Vale]

Parasites the lot of them. Unapologetic servants of the demon companies that employ them. Have a bonus peddlers of misery and degradation with a wagering requirement. Dishonest blaggards who feign disgust and abhorrence at their perceived ills of the world while helping to destroy lives with their spineless complicity.

So no 'pal', you fuck off.

You're basically saying that every single person who places a bet has a gambling problem which is way off the mark.

I do not destroy lives. If somebody makes a decision to lose their monthly wage instead of paying their bills and feeding their kids then that is not my fault. There are very strict guidelines in place that help to spot problem gambling.

You are also forgetting that the recent boom in the industry is due to large numbers of 18-24's that have a decent amount of disposable income so can afford to lose X amount of money.

You can't hold anybody else accountable for a persons decision.

 

[Abertawe]

The real issue is why a Vale fan helps the Stoke chairman get rich.

In a few years time your kid will turn round and ask why Stoke are so much better than Vale, cuz daddy helped em get rich...

 

[UTS]

People who are over PC for the sake of fitting in, or those who won't listen to controversial opinions or opinions with "buzz" words in even though they sometimes are quite valid.

Nothing worse than someone completely disregarding somebody's comment or statement because it is on a sensitive topic and they want to appear PC, and just rubbish said statement or opinion as insulting/offensive even through they aren't offended at all.

This pet hate of mine has come to light again with the recent Paris attacks. It is quite obvious that terrorists have infiltrated the migrant masses that have got into Europe, and this is due to negligent and lacklustre border control, and again due to fear of not acting PC by refusing migrants entry.

Worse than this, people who dare suggest that the recent Paris attacks were committed by terrorists who came to Europe via the migrant crisis (which is a perfectly plausible opinion) are rubbished, deemed offensive merely because it touches on a sensitive subject.

I've probably explained this really badly, here's a video which sums it up easier:

 

[Abertawe]

Stop being PC, just say you don't like muzzies...

 

[Craig]

You're basically saying that every single person who places a bet has a gambling problem which is way off the mark.

I'm not though am I? feel free to reference a quote of mine where that was implied.

I do not destroy lives. If somebody makes a decision to lose their monthly wage instead of paying their bills and feeding their kids then that is not my fault. There are very strict guidelines in place that help to spot problem gambling.

Again, you are misinterpreting what was said. I suggested anyone who takes a wage from one of these companies contributes in some way, large or small, to problem gambling, and I stand by it. You've also just reinforced my 'unapologetic servant' comment quite nicely, thanks.

On top of this the 'strict guidelines' spiel is a load of bollocks innit Dave? self-exclusions are easily bypassed using alternate addresses, e-mail accounts and payment methods and even harder to enforce in LBO's while token facilities such as deposit limits are pointless, as they are easily removed from an account.

You are also forgetting that the recent boom in the industry is due to large numbers of 18-24's that have a decent amount of disposable income so can afford to lose X amount of money.

This is also a fallacy, is it something they relay to you in training sessions and business meetings?. The recent boom in the betting industry is overwhelmingly down to the relaxed attitudes towards gambling that have crept in over the last couple of decades along with increasing freedom with which this scum are allowed to advertise their products across all media and the way they have been allowed to turn high street LBO's into mini casinos. In the 90's the only bandit in a shop was the odd fruit machine that you'd find in any pub, nowadays someone can go in and lose a month's wages in the space of a few minutes.

You can't hold anybody else accountable for a persons decision.

I agree to an extent, however, we have to factor in that gambling addiction is as strong as any other addiction, and the fact of the matter is that betting companies, as much as they try to claim otherwise, feed on it. Take a look at your clients Dave, who are the most valued? the one's having a weekly football acca and a few quid at Cheltenham, or the one's spending 100's or 1000's a week on your products.

Wake up.

 

[Bobbin']

You're a gambler aren't you Craig?

 

[T.A]

I'm not though am I? feel free to reference a quote of mine where that was implied.



Again, you are misinterpreting what was said. I suggested anyone who takes a wage from one of these companies contributes in some way, large or small, to problem gambling, and I stand by it. You've also just reinforced my 'unapologetic servant' comment quite nicely, thanks.

On top of this the 'strict guidelines' spiel is a load of bollocks innit Dave? self-exclusions are easily bypassed using alternate addresses, e-mail accounts and payment methods and even harder to enforce in LBO's while token facilities such as deposit limits are pointless, as they are easily removed from an account.



This is also a fallacy, is it something they relay to you in training sessions and business meetings?. The recent boom in the betting industry is overwhelmingly down to the relaxed attitudes towards gambling that have crept in over the last couple of decades along with increasing freedom with which this scum are allowed to advertise their products across all media and the way they have been allowed to turn high street LBO's into mini casinos. In the 90's the only bandit in a shop was the odd fruit machine that you'd find in any pub, nowadays someone can go in and lose a month's wages in the space of a few minutes.



I agree to an extent, however, we have to factor in that gambling addiction is as strong as any other addiction, and the fact of the matter is that betting companies, as much as they try to claim otherwise, feed on it. Take a look at your clients Dave, who are the most valued? the one's having a weekly football acca and a few quid at Cheltenham, or the one's spending 100's or 1000's a week on your products.

Wake up.

U ok m8?

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

I thought Creg was just having a bit of a giggle after losing some money.

 

[Stagat]

I'm with Craig. I really disliked seeing the amount of bookies adverts that were on telly the last couple of times I've been back home. Felt a bit uncomfortable about them, really.

It's all FUN, though isn't it? One of them had a bunch of Mexican dudes coming out of nowhere to sing and dance at some bemused bloke in a supermarket. I know they were Mexican because they had moustaches, sombreros and ponchos. Probably maracas too and a toy donkey. Because gambling is FUN!

Free bet! Cash out! Do an accy! With your mates! It's FUN!

When the fun stops, stop though, of course.

You mean when you've got all my money? Cheers, bookie. You're all heart.

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

My motto is: When the fun stops, keep gambling till it starts again.

 

[Stagat]

And what's the most prominent word in that really sympathetic advice of theirs btw?

FUN

 

[JoeJoeJoeJoe]

And what's the most prominent word in that really sympathetic advice of theirs btw?

FUN

because it is fun

 

[Bobbin']

In their defence, it's not their slogan. It's a campaign set up by an independent party of which the bookies are members of.

I think.

 

[sl1k]

But the disclaimers are very cleverly presented though innit, still with marketting in mind.

 

[Martino Knockavelli]

^^^

No. It is their slogan. The Senet Group is a Portman Group for bookies, formed by the big firms to provide a gossamer thin alibi of responsibility and industry oversight and other nice stuff that isn't bilking the mentally ill on FOBTs. William Hill were a founder member. It is their slogan. There is no meaningful distinction.

They also had to redesign that logo to make the "FUN" ~2 pts smaller than the initial version. Lovely people who anyone ought to be proud to work for.

 

[Bobbin']

^^^

No. It is their slogan. The Senet Group is a Portman Group for bookies, formed by the big firms to provide a gossamer thin alibi of responsibility and industry oversight and other nice stuff that isn't bilking the mentally ill on FOBTs. William Hill were a founder member. It is their slogan. There is no meaningful distinction.

They also had to redesign that logo to make the "FUN" ~2 pts smaller than the initial version. Lovely people who anyone ought to be proud to work for.

I stand corrected then, cheers for clarifying,

 

[Dave-Vale]

I'm not though am I? feel free to reference a quote of mine where that was implied.



Again, you are misinterpreting what was said. I suggested anyone who takes a wage from one of these companies contributes in some way, large or small, to problem gambling, and I stand by it. You've also just reinforced my 'unapologetic servant' comment quite nicely, thanks.

On top of this the 'strict guidelines' spiel is a load of bollocks innit Dave? self-exclusions are easily bypassed using alternate addresses, e-mail accounts and payment methods and even harder to enforce in LBO's while token facilities such as deposit limits are pointless, as they are easily removed from an account.



This is also a fallacy, is it something they relay to you in training sessions and business meetings?. The recent boom in the betting industry is overwhelmingly down to the relaxed attitudes towards gambling that have crept in over the last couple of decades along with increasing freedom with which this scum are allowed to advertise their products across all media and the way they have been allowed to turn high street LBO's into mini casinos. In the 90's the only bandit in a shop was the odd fruit machine that you'd find in any pub, nowadays someone can go in and lose a month's wages in the space of a few minutes.



I agree to an extent, however, we have to factor in that gambling addiction is as strong as any other addiction, and the fact of the matter is that betting companies, as much as they try to claim otherwise, feed on it. Take a look at your clients Dave, who are the most valued? the one's having a weekly football acca and a few quid at Cheltenham, or the one's spending 100's or 1000's a week on your products.

Wake up.

Hold on, you're vilifying thousands of people who work in the industry because it has a negative by-product? You can label nearly everybody that has a job as a parasite then because plenty of industries have a lot of nasty by-products.

Anybody who works for Vodafone, Amazon, Starbucks etc.. are scum because of their companies tax dodging. Anybody that works in the clothing industry (retail or warehousing) is a parasite because people making the clothes in Cambodia are exploited and paid a pittance. Anybody working for an energy company is evil because of the outrageous cost of gas and electric. Ridiculous.

I wonder what the negative by-product of the industry you work in is.

Self exclusions are impossible to by-pass. And again, you can't blame the industry for the actions of an individual. If that person self excludes from us and wants to gamble, they will find a way to gamble. I would always urge anybody with a problem to seek professional help.

I have a family to feed and bills to pay.

 

[spireite]

Hold on, you're vilifying thousands of people who work in the industry because it has a negative by-product? You can label nearly everybody that has a job as a parasite then because plenty of industries have a lot of nasty by-products.

Anybody who works for Vodafone, Amazon, Starbucks etc.. are scum because of their companies tax dodging. Anybody that works in the clothing industry (retail or warehousing) is a parasite because people making the clothes in Cambodia are exploited and paid a pittance. Anybody working for an energy company is evil because of the outrageous cost of gas and electric. Ridiculous.

I wonder what the negative by-product of the industry you work in is.

Self exclusions are impossible to by-pass. And again, you can't blame the industry for the actions of an individual. If that person self excludes from us and wants to gamble, they will find a way to gamble. I would always urge anybody with a problem to seek professional help.

I have a family to feed and bills to pay.

I think he's either winding you up or playing Devils advocate, I doubt he actually believes this flannel lol

 

[Craig]

Hold on, you're vilifying thousands of people who work in the industry because it has a negative by-product? You can label nearly everybody that has a job as a parasite then because plenty of industries have a lot of nasty by-products.

Anybody who works for Vodafone, Amazon, Starbucks etc.. are scum because of their companies tax dodging. Anybody that works in the clothing industry (retail or warehousing) is a parasite because people making the clothes in Cambodia are exploited and paid a pittance. Anybody working for an energy company is evil because of the outrageous cost of gas and electric. Ridiculous.

You're trying to change to goalposts at bit, I mean corporate tax dodging is quite a leap in another direction I reckon, since you bring it up though I suppose you could lump bookies into that too couldn't you? I mean Gibraltar immediately springs to mind. I'll humour you though. I would definitely apply the label to some of them sure, depending on the role of course. The thing is though, at all levels of the betting industry we are complicit in the dealing out of a product that is harmful to certain vulnerable people.

I wonder what the negative by-product of the industry you work in is.

Gambling addiction.

Self exclusions are impossible to by-pass. And again, you can't blame the industry for the actions of an individual. If that person self excludes from us and wants to gamble, they will find a way to gamble. I would always urge anybody with a problem to seek professional help.

They're quite easy to bypass actually, which I'm sure you're actually aware of. You're not helping anyone by half-heartedly handing out GamCare information, which if someone displays the 'signs' of compulsive gambling is a legal requirement of yours anyway I would imagine.

I have a family to feed and bills to pay.

You're a real trooper Dave.

 

[JimJams]

...complicit in the dealing out of a product that is harmful to certain vulnerable people.

Isn't that true of any boozer?

 

[Craig]

Yes, thanks for coming out.

 

[JimJams]

Not a problem you handsome devil.

 

[Abertawe]

Gambling addiction.

I once lost £200 trying to win 50p, can you help me?

 

[Cheese & Biscuits]

The smell of your piss after eating asparagus.

 

[Pliny Harris]

Bath caddies.

 

[Aber gas]

Bath caddies.

I thought their last album was rubbish too.

 

[Craig]

Bounty chocolate bars.

 

[spireite]

Bounty chocolate bars.

you're having a bit of a nightmare today!

 

[Stevencc]

Bounty Bars are a disgrace to confectionery, let's show some honesty here.