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We have got 8 points from the last 39 available, yet we're still 2 points clear of the relegation zone. How bad are the teams below us?

I'm not Wade out, I rarely call for a manager to go, but I really don't care if he's sacked. Being 3-0 down at half-time 2 weeks in a row, regardless of who it's against, is disgraceful.

To be honest this is why even if our overall results have been less than ideal in the last couple of months I’m not in the least bit worried about relegation. It seems none of the bottom four ever make up any ground at all. The points total for safety is getting I think to where it was at for safety last season in my opinion.
 

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To be honest this is why even if our overall results have been less than ideal in the last couple of months I’m not in the least bit worried about relegation. It seems none of the bottom four ever make up any ground at all. The points total for safety is getting I think to where it was at for safety last season in my opinion.
Il be worried until we get a couple of wins but it’s bonkers that we’ve lost 7 in 10 picking up a measly 5 points (0.5ppg) and are only 2 points closer to the drop than 10 games ago!
 

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We have got 8 points from the last 39 available, yet we're still 2 points clear of the relegation zone. How bad are the teams below us?

I'm not Wade out, I rarely call for a manager to go, but I really don't care if he's sacked. Being 3-0 down at half-time 2 weeks in a row, regardless of who it's against, is disgraceful.

8 points from 39 means you’ve actually gained 5 points on us in that period. :ffs:
 
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At least you're starting to show some fight. We haven't even had that in the last couple of league games.

Seems if there's no chance of Wembley then our player's can't get up for the game!!!
 

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The last 8 shots on target that stone has had at him 7 have gone in. Whereas today Trafford makes 2 good saves one from Harrison and another from garrity. The other night Morecambe scored from there only shot on target a mistake by the keeper but we had a goal disallowed hit the bar and there keeper Ripley made a couple of decent saves. The only reason why we kept a clean sheet against Exeter was because they didn't have a shot on target. Against Cheltenham away we were the better side and Holden missed a sitter by hitting the bar from 2 yards out, against Accrington the ref cost us the points there but Jensen the Accrington keeper made a couple of decent saves. We don't take our chances in our games and all our opponents do. So with that continuing to happen I honestly think we are in serious danger of relegation.
We're not in serious trouble of relegation at all. Stop being so dramatic. 9 points above the drop zone. We probably need 2 wins, or maybe a win and 2 draws and that will likely be enough to avoid the drop. 12 games left with enough winnable games to get us comfortable.

This is a valuable time when Clarke is finding out who has what it takes to compete next season and beyond. Play offs were massively unrealistic, yet since they became out of sight some Vale fans have lost the plot. Honestly don't know where this level of expectation has come from.
 

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I'm not being dramatic I'm being realistic. Won 1 drew 2 lost 7 from last 10 games that's relegation form. Missing several chances in front of goal opposition teams scoring with there only shots on target and teams scoring deflected goals things like that only happen to struggling sides.
 

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I'm not being dramatic I'm being realistic. Won 1 drew 2 lost 7 from last 10 games that's relegation form. Missing several chances in front of goal opposition teams scoring with there only shots on target and teams scoring deflected goals things like that only happen to struggling sides.

Last 12 games;

Sheff Wed A - 1st
FGR A - 24th
Peterborough H - 9th
Derby H - 6th
Cheltenham A - 19th
Wycombe H - 7th
Accrington H - 21st
Shrewsbury A - 8th
Barnsley H - 5th
Exeter H - 12th
Morecambe A - 20th
Bolton A - 4th

Bit of perspective needed I think.
 

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Il be worried until we get a couple of wins but it’s bonkers that we’ve lost 7 in 10 picking up a measly 5 points (0.5ppg) and are only 2 points closer to the drop than 10 games ago!
I honestly can't believe we're not in the bottom 4 yet, the bottom 6/7 teams are so consistently awful there's no chance you're going down
 

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Last 12 games;

Sheff Wed A - 1st
FGR A - 24th
Peterborough H - 9th
Derby H - 6th
Cheltenham A - 19th
Wycombe H - 7th
Accrington H - 21st
Shrewsbury A - 8th
Barnsley H - 5th
Exeter H - 12th
Morecambe A - 20th
Bolton A - 4th

Bit of perspective needed I think.
8 points from the 5 games against sides outside the top 9 which is solid enough… we’ve 10 left outside the top 9 to play so if we average that we’d pick up 16 more points so as you say not panic stations just yet.

Considering most of that run we’ve had no strikers as well and still positives to be had. We’d have taken this position in August.

According to that stats site we are currently at 2% chance of the drop. It actually went down today from 4% despite losing!
 

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8 points from 39 means you’ve actually gained 5 points on us in that period. :ffs:
Our run since 13th Sep:
Cheltenham (a) L
Barnsley (h) L
Morecambe (a) W
Derby (h) L
Ipswich (a) L
Bristol Rovers (a) L
Sheffield Wednesday (h) L
Port Vale (h) L
Wycombe (a) W
Peterborough (a) L
Bolton (h) D
Accrington (h) L
Forest Green (a) L
Plymouth (h) D
Shrewsbury (h) W
Derby (a) L
Sheffield Wednesday (a) L
Bristol Rovers (h) L
Shrewsbury (a) L
Lincoln (a) D
Ipswich (h) D
Barnsley (a) L
Cheltenham (h) L
Oxford (h) W
Fleetwood (a) L
Exeter (a) L

W4, D4, L18. Total of 16 points from a possible 78, effectively doubling Vale’s “bad run”.
 

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You even lost to us!
 

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Our run since 13th Sep:
Cheltenham (a) L
Barnsley (h) L
Morecambe (a) W
Derby (h) L
Ipswich (a) L
Bristol Rovers (a) L
Sheffield Wednesday (h) L
Port Vale (h) L
Wycombe (a) W
Peterborough (a) L
Bolton (h) D
Accrington (h) L
Forest Green (a) L
Plymouth (h) D
Shrewsbury (h) W
Derby (a) L
Sheffield Wednesday (a) L
Bristol Rovers (h) L
Shrewsbury (a) L
Lincoln (a) D
Ipswich (h) D
Barnsley (a) L
Cheltenham (h) L
Oxford (h) W
Fleetwood (a) L
Exeter (a) L

W4, D4, L18. Total of 16 points from a possible 78, effectively doubling Vale’s “bad run”.
Wow, that puts things into perspective. I'd make a similar list for us, but I'd be too scared to look at it
 

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Since beating Cheltenham we've gone nearly 3 months without a win in any competition, 13 in the league and 1 in the FA Cup. We even lost to Cirencester in the Glos Senior Cup.

We did play pretty well second half yesterday tbf, partly thanks to getting by far our best midfielder McGeouch on plus subbing off the hapless Bakayoko and putting O'Keeffe, a natural right back, up front instead as a false 9.
 

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Our run since 13th Sep:
Cheltenham (a) L
Barnsley (h) L
Morecambe (a) W
Derby (h) L
Ipswich (a) L
Bristol Rovers (a) L
Sheffield Wednesday (h) L
Port Vale (h) L
Wycombe (a) W
Peterborough (a) L
Bolton (h) D
Accrington (h) L
Forest Green (a) L
Plymouth (h) D
Shrewsbury (h) W
Derby (a) L
Sheffield Wednesday (a) L
Bristol Rovers (h) L
Shrewsbury (a) L
Lincoln (a) D
Ipswich (h) D
Barnsley (a) L
Cheltenham (h) L
Oxford (h) W
Fleetwood (a) L
Exeter (a) L

W4, D4, L18. Total of 16 points from a possible 78, effectively doubling Vale’s “bad run”.
Is that since Bonner turned down Rotherham?
 

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Since beating Cheltenham we've gone nearly 3 months without a win in any competition, 13 in the league and 1 in the FA Cup. We even lost to Cirencester in the Glos Senior Cup.

We did play pretty well second half yesterday tbf, partly thanks to getting by far our best midfielder McGeouch on plus subbing off the hapless Bakayoko and putting O'Keeffe, a natural right back, up front instead as a false 9.
Yeah in the list I also missed our excellent FA Cup run which included two 0-0 draws with Curzon Ashton before winning on penalties followed by our superb home defeat by Grimsby. We lost to Southampton in the league cup but I’ll forgive that one.
 
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Is that since Bonner turned down Rotherham?
He turned down Rotherham around the Barnsley game, I think the Morecambe away win was just after we had turned them down. Some are linking it, some are saying it’s rubbish. I think it’s probably a factor but poor recruitment and injuries plus lack of Plan B are to blame as much as that one event.
 

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Plymouth may be in view but dont rule out you finishing above Plymouth only for either Barnsley or Bolton to pip you on the line

Whilst possible, I'm not overly concerned about anyone other than Wednesday and Plymouth. Just don't see anyone else finishing above us, especially with our strengthening & seeming recovery in recent games. I don't think Bolton, Barnsley and Derby have competing squads - I know the points on the doors suggests only a small gap - but we've clearly had our dip in form and have come out the other side of it.

4 defeats in comparison to 8 is significant. Our season will be defined soley on us continuing to turn draws into wins,.
 
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I'm not being dramatic I'm being realistic. Won 1 drew 2 lost 7 from last 10 games that's relegation form. Missing several chances in front of goal opposition teams scoring with there only shots on target and teams scoring deflected goals things like that only happen to struggling sides.
It's not realistic though is it? Dan has pointed out the floor in your argument. We have had a difficult run of games v teams in the top 6, or in great form. It's also coincided with a complete lack of strikers in that time. That situation is now getting back to normal, and our next run of games is against teams below us, where we tend to do well. If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and admit it, but we've got 3 winnable games coming up. If we get 0 points between now and 18th March, sure, panic stations. But until then, just need a bit of perspective.

Also worth asking yourself this question, would you have been pissed off if you were told in July, that at the end of Feb we'll be on 40 points, 9 ahead of the relegation zone with 12 games left to play?
 

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It's not realistic though is it? Dan has pointed out the floor in your argument. We have had a difficult run of games v teams in the top 6, or in great form. It's also coincided with a complete lack of strikers in that time. That situation is now getting back to normal, and our next run of games is against teams below us, where we tend to do well. If I'm wrong I'll hold my hands up and admit it, but we've got 3 winnable games coming up. If we get 0 points between now and 18th March, sure, panic stations. But until then, just need a bit of perspective.

Also worth asking yourself this question, would you have been pissed off if you were told in July, that at the end of Feb we'll be on 40 points, 9 ahead of the relegation zone with 12 games left to play?
In our last 12 games we’ve got 8 points, even repeating that poor form sees us end on 48 which should be enough.

The three teams below us in the form table over the last 12 are all below us in the table so if that was repeated they don’t close in at all and Oxford, MK and Accrington only picked up 2-3 points respectively more which wouldn’t be enough to hunt us down if repeated over the last 12.

So in short despite our awful form at the moment 6-7 teams below are generally not showing enough form to cause concern at this stage.

Obviously that could all change, or we could win 2 of the next 3 winnable games and have feet up by mid March.

Beauty is just stringing a couple of wins together and it’s all but over. We’ve been in deeper Dudu in the league below in recent seasons.
 

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Goalkeeper situation summed up here:

We actually have the 6th best defensive record in terms of shots on target against which is great, only Derby, Posh, Ipswich, Wednesday and Barnsley beat that but:

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Pleased for Caldwell after yesterdays win. You can see the way he’s trying to play and we looked good. McDonald is a class above - took his goal very well and was so unlucky not to score soon after with a classy volley.

All that being said, Cambridge were poor and what stuck me is that there was no urgency from them to get back into the game. They had a good chance before the break and the disallowed goal seemed close, but otherwise Woods barely had a save to make.

We could and should have score a couple more at least but very pleased overall.
 

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Goalkeeper situation summed up here:

We actually have the 6th best defensive record in terms of shots on target against which is great, only Derby, Posh, Ipswich, Wednesday and Barnsley beat that but:

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Replacing McGee with Doohan working out well for us then.
 

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Replacing McGee with Doohan working out well for us then.
Yeah...that is really peeing me off. Discussions on Saturday pre-game, about keepers, the view seemed to be that McGee had been told he was going to be moved on in January...which impacted on his performance a bit...problem is that he is was probably better than the player who replaced him.

I think our January business was at best poor, at worst shite, don't think Hendry would have gone out on loan if Doug had already arrived before he left...as for letting Bunks leave on loan when we only have five fit defenders and now play a back four...:ffs:
 

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I’ve heard if McGee had played any more games he’d have triggered an extension, so we got him out before that could happen.
 
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I’ve heard if McGee had played any more games he’d have triggered an extension, so we got him out before that could happen.
That makes sense...although I would happily have kept him for another year, he is certainly one of the better goalies I've seen play for us...I only rate Sam Russell as being better than him, of the keepers that were actually ours and not in on loan.

As for our January business...we have looked like a team destined for relegation for most of the season, our dealings in the transfer window removed all possible doubt.
 

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Agree on our January business. Downgraded the goalkeeping position, didn’t bring in enough cover/competition in defence, let our best midfielder leave on loan and replaced him with a record signing that can’t get a game (apart from in the senior cup). On top of that we let all our strikers leave and replaced them with someone that plays like his laces are tied together with a kid on loan as his only back up. Not looking hugely successful at this point.

Tbh you could argue we haven’t had a particularly great transfer window since summer 2020.
 

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As for our January business...we have looked like a team destined for relegation for most of the season, our dealings in the transfer window removed all possible doubt.

I really think this season has been such a shambles for you guys, it’s hard for an outsider to get an accurate assessment of the problem but the fingers seem to be pointing at Vince to me.

He admitted he didn’t give Burchnall the proper resources to do his job…then sacks him, but:

a) brings in someone who doesn’t know the lower leagues and
b) even if Big Dunc did know L1, he didn’t have time to bring in his own players, with a view to shaping the team exactly how he wants them to play.

So frustrating to spend all that effort getting promoted - never an easy task - and then just piss it away for no good reason.
 

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I really think this season has been such a shambles for you guys, it’s hard for an outsider to get an accurate assessment of the problem but the fingers seem to be pointing at Vince to me.

He admitted he didn’t give Burchnall the proper resources to do his job…then sacks him, but:

a) brings in someone who doesn’t know the lower leagues and
b) even if Big Dunc did know L1, he didn’t have time to bring in his own players, with a view to shaping the team exactly how he wants them to play.

So frustrating to spend all that effort getting promoted - never an easy task - and then just piss it away for no good reason.
It mirrors our first season in the Football League when we were woefully prepared for what lay ahead, fortunately the transfer window signings worked on that occasion and we stayed up by just a point...unfortunately we don't appear to have learned from that experience and have repeated it this season, at least up to the bit about strengthening properly in January, at a far more competitive level.

Ultimately I think Dale Vince is a control freak, he has to make every decision at the club relating to just about anything...the problem is that even though he has been around for a decade he still doesn't understand football...this season he has been found out good and proper. His ambition is to get to the Championship, but when you look at the clubs at the top of this division you see many that are huge in comparison to ourselves...the resources of many are at a level that even in our wildest dreams we will never match. I think maybe the penny has finally dropped with him, relegation back to League Two will be a bitter pill for him to swallow but at least it will be to a level where we are just about sustainable.

I really want Big Dunc to succeed, he has already won the fans over...a big gamble bringing him in, hopefully one that pays off.
 

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